Tardozzi: Stoner is the best rider in MotoGP

Ah Talpa, just one post and you,re owned and boned. Haha.

PS> Its not a pretty look to be in the mudcrab camp!

Ah Talpa, Talpa, Talpa.......you are capable of much more, whereas I see the mudcrab as unsalvagable.(One more neurone and he would have a synapse) .

Don,t use the dark side of the force young paduan.


Austin, I,ve never seen Barry as that difficult to deal with. Mad as a cut snake maybe..............

20 wins 34 podiums and has started from pole 18 times since entering motogp in 2006. Surely thats deserves some respect.

Rossibopper fear is a powerful driver on forums around the world. Here we are up to 5 pages, crash.net is well over 300 posts on the same topic. The thread for Rossi's athlete of the decade topic only just made 2 pages. If the boppers don't watch out they may make Stoner the most bankable rider on the grid

Not only is Stoner the best rider in MotoGP it seems he creates the best headlines as well. Rossi is going to have to start another 'boy who cried wolf' rumour that NASA are after him to fly the next generation of spaceship to Mars to try and get the jump back on Stoner in the headlines.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (alex29 @ Jan 12 2010, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>20 wins 34 podiums and has started from pole 18 times since entering motogp in 2006. Surely thats deserves some respect.

In a way Stoner is receiving the ultimate respect from the Rossiboppers ........ who else do they see as such a threat?

They can't knock his riding so they get the sooks at all manners of extraneous crap eg. "Stoner looked sideways waah waah waah etc. etc. etc. " In effect its just showing that they know exactly what Tardozzi is saying ........ but just can't accept it

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jan 12 2010, 04:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He kept Rossi honest to the end (nearly) and that's something to be commended, especially on equal machinery. However he still threw it away on four occasions. If Rossi didn't have such an inconsistent (by his standards) season, it wouldn't have been so close.

Jorge did have a few crashes, but he kept Rossi more honest than Biaggi or Gibernau ever did, and that is not to be forgotten. The only riders to have done better against the Rossi we know are Hayden and the man in question.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Jan 12 2010, 04:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The best rider in Motogp needs to know a lot more than just how to go fast.

The best rider in the motogp needs only to know how to win the world title. He doesn't have to win the attitude or intelligence award, he just needs to get the most points. Stoner has done that.

Interestingly if Casey is to win another title he will be only the 3rd rider in history to reclaim his title after two unsuccessful seasons... after Ago and Rossi. History isn't favouring him, but one thing thats occured to me this offseason is that in the shape of Lorenzo and Stoner motogp now has top level riders with enough character to keep the fans excited and talking. As far as entertainment value goes Rossi is now one of three men, rather than THE man. I'm ready to see one of these guys make significant waves in terms of achievement, and i wish them both well riding against the toughest oponent they will likely ever face. But don't dispair Rossi fans, instead of doing all in your power to resist, diminish and criticise these riders you should join the rest of us and be excited in the knowledge the tighter things get the more it amplifies the Rossi legend when he beats these guys

hello Jumkie,

I have no problem accepting people's ideas: you count the numbers, I look at the progress, as 2007 was the first year of 800cc.

People always said that in 2002, Honda got its right and others factories took longtime to catch back. I think it was the same with Ducati in 2007. So I use progressive approach to show you how good is Stoner.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 11 2010, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm committed to being nice to Rossi boppers for as long as I can, so I will nicely say your chart above is relevant in highlighting how Stoner's illness skewed the numbers. I'm sure you were able to gather that leading up to 09, Stoner had overall greater numbers combined for the previous two years, and was on pace to hold this up before the illness. (do the math)

07-08 Wins: Stoner 16 > Rossi 13
07-08 Podiums: Stoner 25 > Rossi 24

Using your words: So you can see how good your Stoner are compare to Rossi.

While you guys are doing number games i thought i'd add some points figures, as points mean prizes no matter how you get them (just ask Nicky).

Since the 800cc bikes have been around Rossi has racked up 920 points, while Stoner has managed 867 and Pedrosa (just for perspective) has managed 'just' 725.

That works out at just less that 18 points per season average in Rossi's favour, so weather its wins, podiums or points the result is close whichever way you look at it

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Jan 12 2010, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ah Talpa, just one post and you,re owned and boned. Haha.

PS> Its not a pretty look to be in the mudcrab camp!

Ah Talpa, Talpa, Talpa.......you are capable of much more, whereas I see the mudcrab as unsalvagable.(One more neurone and he would have a synapse) .

Don,t use the dark side of the force young paduan.


Austin, I,ve never seen Barry as that difficult to deal with. Mad as a cut snake maybe..............


Owned by who?........you're suffering from Alzheimers aren't you Bunny, or are you just living in imaginary land as usual, the force is weak in you......... , were you going to make a point or refute my post, or just spew out some more crap?

Austin, my point was that Stoner did not continue to pull away from VR at PI this year as you said, VR made up a lot of ground in the last 2 laps. Rossi, from what I know, has never bagged the people helping him set up the bike, win races and gain further sponsorship.......what successful sportsman hasn't had a go at their rivals, .... Arnold Schwarzenegger said he would check into the hotel room with his rival the night before a competition and talk them out of winning!!!!!

Their is a major difference between this and telling your team manager, a great ex-racer in his own right, to .... Off!!!

And as much as I like Rossi, at no stage would I be proclaiming him the best rider in Motogp after he just finished 4th in the world title race (which hasn't happened for a while), which is the underlining differentiating factor between this VR fan and Stoner fans, VR has the results.......Barry, Bunny, TP and others are just pissing in the hurricane........

So tell me again who won the World title last year? Anyone? Who came second? Third?

Good posts Tom, though you have to admit 2007 certainly helps CS's record in 800's.

2009
VR-306
CS-220
An 86 point differential

2008
VR-373
CS-280
A 93 point differential

2007
VR- 241
CS- 367
A 126 point differential

Wow, what happened between 07-08, CS lost a whopping 219 points to VR

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Jan 12 2010, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi, from what I know, has never bagged the people helping him set up the bike, win races and gain further sponsorship.......

Talpa, you say "from what I know"...well you don't know much.

End 2003 - No sorry Mr Honda it is not your bike it is all me!!!! I will just take my whole crew who were here and winning championships with you before I pranced along and leave you with nothing so it definitely looks like it was all me.

2007 - Thanks for handing me championships every year Mr Michelin with your Rossi brand tyres but now your tyres are crap and no longer give me the advantage. Dorna give me what he's got or I am taking my bat and ball and going home.

2009 - Excuse me Mr Yamaha how dare you sign someone who can beat me you are nothing without me. You must choose me only or I am taking my bat and ball and going to get a red one!

2009 - "800cc were the worst mistake in the last 15 years of MotoGP". Ummm haven't Dorna laid the golden goose at Rossi's feet for near on 10 years but he blats that they have destroyed MotoGP all over the media.

Yeah Talpa.... Rossi is an ANGEL!!!!! I am sure that Honda bear no grudge angainst Rossi for taking their whole team neither do Michelin considering they are no longer even in MotoGP thanks in part to the manipulations of your little angel!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jan 12 2010, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossibopper fear is a powerful driver on forums around the world. Here we are up to 5 pages, crash.net is well over 300 posts on the same topic. The thread for Rossi's athlete of the decade topic only just made 2 pages. If the boppers don't watch out they may make Stoner the most bankable rider on the grid

Not only is Stoner the best rider in MotoGP it seems he creates the best headlines as well. Rossi is going to have to start another 'boy who cried wolf' rumour that NASA are after him to fly the next generation of spaceship to Mars to try and get the jump back on Stoner in the headlines.

As far as I'm concerned you couldn't be more wrong with everything you've posted here as usual, naturally, if you are a fan of a sportsman who has just won the World Title in his/her sport and has done so on nine previous occasions, and someone says that another competitor who finished well behind in the standings is not only better-but the best rider, then it wouldn't matter who it was, of course the sportsman's supporters will refute the idiocy of claims such as this, remember 07? Are you the pot or the kettle this time? Either way your just as black as the people you love to rubbish, except they are supporting the GOAT, and your claiming the guy who came fourth is the best
VR worried about CS's PR abilities, the guy get booed at some tracks!!


Keep going this is hilarious

IMO most Rossi fans will be keeping a much closer eye on JL, Spies and maybe one of both of the Marco's in 2010.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jan 9 2010, 09:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Perhaps he was driven by knowledge of the marked superiority of the yamaha in 2009 as opposed to 2007 when the ducati and yamaha may have been near to parity .



Duuhh - 2007 ducati/ yamaha parity - you must have watched different races - the ducati blew off the yam on every available straight with around 10 to 12 kmh more topspeed and better acceleration. rossi worked his arse off in the twisties to have stoner blast by on the start finish or any other longish straight. 2007 marelli hadn't caught on that they are a fiat subsidiary - yeah the folks sponsoring yamaha. since then rossi & burgess have had to accept that if you can't beat the electro-control-duc they also need the marelli parts. yam plus electro tc with rossi vs the electro-duc with stoner in 2009/ 09 - the rest is history

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jan 12 2010, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Talpa, you say "from what I know"...well you don't know much.

End 2003 - No sorry Mr Honda it is not your bike it is all me!!!! I will just take my whole crew who were here and winning championships with you before I pranced along and leave you with nothing so it definitely looks like it was all me.

2007 - Thanks for handing me championships every year Mr Michelin with your Rossi brand tyres but now your tyres are crap and no longer give me the advantage. Dorna give me what he's got or I am taking my bat and ball and going home.

2009 - Excuse me Mr Yamaha how dare you sign someone who can beat me you are nothing without me. You must choose me only or I am taking my bat and ball and going to get a red one!

2009 - "800cc were the worst mistake in the last 15 years of MotoGP". Ummm haven't Dorna laid the golden goose at Rossi's feet for near on 10 years but he blats that they have destroyed MotoGP all over the media.

Yeah Talpa.... Rossi is an ANGEL!!!!! I am sure that Honda bear no grudge angainst Rossi for taking their whole team neither do Michelin considering they are no longer even in MotoGP thanks in part to the manipulations of your little angel!

I said I don't know of him abusing Jerry Burgess, the guy helping him to win the most his team manager.
Once again your wrong about the Ducati thing, VR has stated that the red bike was never an option.

2003-04 None of VR's team had a gun to their head when they left Honda, why leave if you know you can win with the next rider who comes long cause your in the best team with the best bike, they had Nicky and then they got Max the next year.......Hmmmmm I think Jerry might know a little more about rider talent than you!!!

So Rossi was the one responsible for Michelin leaving Motogp.....did he also help with the Moon landing? I think he also might know about Roswell too........

800cc are the biggest mistake in GP in 15 years!! Not too many are denying it, CS, Nicky, Colin, Spies, JL, the Manufacturers, the FANS! Most are welcoming the return of the 1000's. Your Golden goose theory is nothing but that, and like so many here you talk through your ... with your hatred of VR seeping through the keyboard like diarrhea through a G-String!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Jan 12 2010, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As far as I'm concerned you couldn't be more wrong with everything you've posted here as usual,

Everything????

Ok we are not on Page 5 of this thread. And no, crash.net does not have more than 300 posts on the article that started this thread. Rossi's athlete of the decade thread has more than 2 pages. Visits to a web page does not help the owner of the website generate advertising dollars and websites don't add stories that create visits or clicks. Rossi has never created a rumour that he might be going to an alternative championship. To finish off, NASA are not building a spacship that they hope will take them to Mars.

You got me Talpa. I was wrong on all counts. Does anybody else hear you best friend talk or is it only you that can hear them?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Jan 12 2010, 11:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I said I don't know of him abusing Jerry Burgess, the guy helping him to win the most his team manager.

Go back and read your post then have your friend read it to you as well.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Jan 12 2010, 11:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hmmmmm I think Jerry might know a little more about rider talent than you!!!

Hmmmmm I think Tardozi might know a little more about rider talent than you!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jan 12 2010, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Talpa, you say "from what I know"...well you don't know much.

End 2003 - No sorry Mr Honda it is not your bike it is all me!!!! I will just take my whole crew who were here and winning championships with you before I pranced along and leave you with nothing so it definitely looks like it was all me.

2007 - Thanks for handing me championships every year Mr Michelin with your Rossi brand tyres but now your tyres are crap and no longer give me the advantage. Dorna give me what he's got or I am taking my bat and ball and going home.

2009 - Excuse me Mr Yamaha how dare you sign someone who can beat me you are nothing without me. You must choose me only or I am taking my bat and ball and going to get a red one!

2009 - "800cc were the worst mistake in the last 15 years of MotoGP". Ummm haven't Dorna laid the golden goose at Rossi's feet for near on 10 years but he blats that they have destroyed MotoGP all over the media.

Yeah Talpa.... Rossi is an ANGEL!!!!! I am sure that Honda bear no grudge angainst Rossi for taking their whole team neither do Michelin considering they are no longer even in MotoGP thanks in part to the manipulations of your little angel!


If everything did indeed fall into Rossi's lap in the way you've just said, you've got to wonder how he ended up in position of such power...

These threads are hilarious, everyone shows their true colours....yours being Ducati red TP70. My favourite rider is Rossi but i'm by no means a rossibopper. I think Stoner is the fastest man over 1 lap, but he's definately not the fastest racer. Rossi loves a scrap, most of the other riders dont. Pretty simple really.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ptk50 @ Jan 12 2010, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Duuhh - 2007 ducati/ yamaha parity - you must have watched different races - the ducati blew off the yam on every available straight with around 10 to 12 kmh more topspeed and better acceleration. rossi worked his arse off in the twisties to have stoner blast by on the start finish or any other longish straight. 2007 marelli hadn't caught on that they are a fiat subsidiary - yeah the folks sponsoring yamaha. since then rossi & burgess have had to accept that if you can't beat the electro-control-duc they also need the marelli parts. yam plus electro tc with rossi vs the electro-duc with stoner in 2009/ 09 - the rest is history
I was not being entirely serious, but I don't see how you or anyone who has not ridden 2 bikes of different manufacture in race conditions can be sure about the straight line speed/acceleration vs rideability trade off between such bikes. I will concede that a straight line advantage is perhaps easier to employ tactically. I do however seem to recall a bike called the aprilia cube with an apparent very marked straight line advantage which did not win races let alone championships.

You guys are very keen on invoking history, justifiably in terms of valentino's overall stature in the sport which is far beyond dispute. However, large though rossi's great career looms in the history of premier class gp bike racing, his career does not encompass its entirety.

For instance, by my reckoning of the last 35 premier class riders' championships, 14 were won by riders on factory yamahas, 14 by riders on factory hondas, 6 by riders on suzukis (!) and one by a rider on a ducati. Apparently the lone winning ducati rider is the one who had an obvious and unfair advantage such that his championship can be disregarded. Go figure.

like diarrhea through a G-String

....... CLASSIC !!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Jan 12 2010, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>IMO most Rossi fans will be keeping a much closer eye on JL, Spies and maybe one of both of the Marco's in 2010.

Oh yeah sure ........ thats why all the Boppers are on here bleating about Stoner

Denial

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (spooky @ Jan 12 2010, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If everything did indeed fall into Rossi's lap in the way you've just said, you've got to wonder how he ended up in position of such power...
Simple, Rossi is the GOAT. I don't deny that. He also had a lot of help along the way and often it has not been a level playing field nor has he been an angel through all those championships. He may be the GOAT but he won't always be the greatest of that year or a particular time. I think Stoner now, in this time is the better rider and so does Tardozzi as do many others.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (spooky @ Jan 12 2010, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>....yours being Ducati red TP70.
Absolutely, I am an Aussie and I support my own. Would I love a Ducati in my garage. Absolutely.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (spooky @ Jan 12 2010, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi loves a scrap, most of the other riders dont. Pretty simple really.
I don't agree with this at all. I think all the riders love a scrap. I don't think any of them enjoy loosing one though.