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Stoner's mental weakness

Anyone who cries like a 5 year old when things go wrong is mentally weak. Stoner does this, he hasn't grown up properly, gets his own way and has lived a selfish life at the expense of his parents. He's still a kid - very fast and talented but not mentally in the right place. Stoner hasn't done his apprenticeship properly - through his impatience and intolerence of other riders who occasionally put him off. He got the ..... in the 125s because they were a pack of maniacs - didn't stay and win a championship. He got the ..... in the 250s because they too were dangerous - didn't stay and win a championship. Now he's in the top class and he's susceptible to things going wrong plus he hates close racing with people. He can't handle it when someone gets the better of him - Rossi 08 Laguna Seca, can't handle it when he crashes on the bike and has a bad day. He's forever giving people the finger or the fist whenever they get in his way. You can't fly off the handle or end up in tears every time something goes wrong. That is mental weakness. That is why for all the talent that he has, he loses fans. Being bullied and how you respond to it shows what type of person you are. Stoner goes away and cries.



Lorenzo as much as I can't stand him is really coming of age. He is bloody fast but takes a whole different approach to disappointments (now at least - I know he had tanties when he was younger). His view is, you got me this time but I've learnt from it and it won't happen next time. He has done his apprenticeship and has a hell of a lot of mental strength. He won a couple of 250 world championships despite the maniacs (admittedly he was probably the quickest maniac there) but he rose above all the .... that goes on in the end.



Rossi lost one year in 125s, won the championship the next. He lost the first in the 250s and won the championship the next. He lost one in the Motogp and won the next. He doesn't break down and cry because things go wrong and they do go wrong for him - despite all the preferential treatment he is meant to be getting. He rode through the maniacs in the 125s and 250s and came out on top. He's had the occasional spat re a rider - but that happens to everyone and the last time I remember was Tony Elias a number of years ago. He doesn't give the finger fist or whatever every time someone wrongs him on the track and he doesn't crack the ..... every 2nd or 3rd event.



My point is that evidence of Stoner's mental weakness is littered throughout his career - and there is a lot of it. His two main competitors are different - and it shows. Stoner needs to toughen up - Lorenzo did it. Rossi didn't need to. I can't see Mick Doohan having a cry when things don't work out. You get stronger during adversity - he needs to learn from what is happening rather than capitulating to it and balling his eyes out. Grow a set of nuts you highly strung sook.
 
woody996 said:
Anyone who cries like a 5 year old when things go wrong is mentally weak. Stoner does this, he hasn't grown up properly, gets his own way and has lived a selfish life at the expense of his parents. He's still a kid - very fast and talented but not mentally in the right place. Stoner hasn't done his apprenticeship properly - through is impatience and intolerence of other riders who occaisionally put him off. He got the ..... in the 125s because they were a pack of maniacs - didn't stay and win a championship. He got the ..... in the 250s because they too were dangerous - didn't stay and win a championship. Now he's in the top class and he's susceptible to things going wrong plus he hates close racing with people. He can't handle it when someone gets the better of him - Rossi 08 Laguna Seca, can't handle it when he crashes on the bike and has a bad day. He's forever giving people the finger or the fist whenever they get in his way. You can't fly off the handle or end up in tears every time something goes wrong. That is mental weakness. That is why for all the talent that he has, he loses fans. Being bullied and how you respond to it shows what type of person you are. Stoner goes away and cries.



Lorenzo as much as I can't stand him is really coming of age. He is bloody fast but takes a whole different approach to disappointments (now at least - I know he had tanties when he was younger). His view is, you got me this time but I've learnt from it and it won't happen next time. He has done his apprenticeship and has a hell of a lot of mental strength. He won a couple of 250 world championships despite the maniacs (admittedly he was probably the quickest maniac there) but he rose above all the .... that goes on in the end.



Rossi lost one year in 125s, won the championship the next. He lost the first in the 250s and won the championship the next. He lost one in the Motogp and won the next. He doesn't break down and cry because things go wrong and they do go wrong for him - despite all the preferential treatment he is meant to be getting. He rode through the maniacs in the 125s and 250s and came out on top. He's had the occasional spat re a rider - but that happens to everyone and the last time I remember was Tony Elias a number of years ago. He doesn't give the finger fist or whatever every time someone wrongs him on the track and he doesn't crack the ..... every 2nd or 3rd event.



My point his that evidence of Stoner's mental weakness is littered throughout his career - and there is a lot of it. His two main competitors are different - and it shows. Stoner needs to toughen up - Lorenzo did it. Rossi didn't need to. I can't see Mick Doohan having a cry when things don't work out. You get stronger during adversity - he needs to learn from what is happening rather than capitulating to it and balling your eyes out. Grow a set of nuts you highly strung sook.
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Wow, what a fantastic post. Welcome to the forum,this place needs more poeple like you.
 
It is nice to see someone be assertive about their opinion rather than dancing around the issue.



Stoner is a ...... Saying it in any other way is putting it nicely.
 
Oniker said:
Wow, what a fantastic post. Welcome to the forum,this place needs more poeple like you.
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What, u dont think we hav enuff Stoner haters?



Woody, welcome to the forum. Dont take my reply to heart, but ur opinion was strong so allow me the same latidude. Nice history lesson, so the grid is filled with 250 champs, who knew? But ur interpretation of different personalities & character is mistaking what u call "mental weakness". I supose u would prefer a grid filled with camera clowns like Rossi, i guess according to ur interpretation it would mean a grid of 'mentally tuff" guys. Hav u stopped to consider that the pouting antics u ascribe to Casey can just as easily b ascribed to Rossi for pouting that Yamaha has kept Lorenzo as his teammate? Or is ur standard limited to flipping the bird to a slow dangerous rider on the race line? After all, the heat of the track surely must be much much 'less' taxing mentally than having a jounalist put a mic in ur face, right? (sarcasm) Rossi's pouts rare the equivallent of flipping the bird to Lorenzo, Yamaha, and every spectator who wants to believe there is a standard of professionalism and sportmanship. But i suppose 'showmanship' trumps 'sportsmanship' cuz what screams mental tuffness more than publiclly cowarding to a challenge coming from accross the garage, eh?



So let me get this straight, Stoner not winning a lower class title like Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Capirossi, Melandri, Simoncelli, Aoyama, means he is mentally weak and as u say, hasnt made good on his "apprenticeship"? Wow, really i dont even know how to respond. Newsflash, none of those guys hav yet to nap a MotoGP title (u know, the ones that every grand prix, superbiker, club racer, trackday rider, etc. aspires & dreams to win). Casey, the mentally weakest of the list according to u has actually won one, and against Rossi, the gold standard of "tuffness".



So Woods, ur big case for Stoners mental weakness is a combination of flipping the bird while on the track (a pressure cooker situation, im sure u watch the practices since thats wher u get ur fuel about Stoner, well add that "weak minded" Texan Spies to ur list of brats since twice already ive seen him flip the bird to a ....... maddening slow rider in the race line), not sticking around the lower class long enuf (like Biaggi, Capirossi, or Lorenzo to nap multiple 250 titles but zero MotoGP titles, who im sure if asked would be willing to trade them all for just one big bike title), and leaving his home, friends, comfort of his country with the unconditional support of his parents (what a spoiled brat, imagine that, chasing ur dream with the blessing of ur parents and repaying them with a championship at the top of the sport and trusting ur dad, the man who gave up everything for his son, to manage ur career), and to equate all this to; 'therefore the man is mentally weak?' Uhm yeah that must make sense in ur world, but hey ur not alone here.
 
woody996 said:
Anyone who cries like a 5 year old when things go wrong is mentally weak.
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That's just plain..... wrong.

Different people express the same emotions differently and there is now other way to translate his display of emotions than the disappointment, despair and lots of other negative feelings, and they ALL brake down to one single thing: Competitiveness.

Anyone who doesn't show emotions after a crash like that are a true looser. Exactly how you express them doesn't matter much, that's just for media and onlooker to feast on.

ANY of these riders, or at least those with true championship aspirations should and would get bitterly disappointed and express that in various ways. Some more sympathetic than others but that just the display.
 
Jumkie said:
What, u dont think we hav enuff Stoner haters?
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Just .... stirring mate .Win or lose,the Stoner haters are always out in force. The base of their argument is so childish but its entertaining
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woody996 said:
Rossi lost one year in 125s, won the championship the next. He lost the first in the 250s and won the championship the next. He lost one in the Motogp and won the next. He doesn't break down and cry because things go wrong and they do go wrong for him - despite all the preferential treatment he is meant to be getting. He rode through the maniacs in the 125s and 250s and came out on top. He's had the occasional spat re a rider - but that happens to everyone and the last time I remember was Tony Elias a number of years ago. He doesn't give the finger fist or whatever every time someone wrongs him on the track and he doesn't crack the ..... every 2nd or 3rd event.
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Did you stop watching during the 2006 and 2007 seasons?
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Rossi doesn't whine?



I remember him spending more time pumping his fist at Elias than trying to recover his bike at Jerez in 2006. I remember him pouting on his exploded Yamahas at LeMans, China, and Laguna. I remember him blaming Michelin for his problems in 2006 and 2007 when his Yamaha was the only bike chunking the tires. I remember when he demanded that Yamaha switch to a V4 b/c an I4 wasn't good enough to beat the Ducati. I remember him getting Dorna to change his tires to Bridgestone out of revenge to Michelin for making tires for Pedrosa. I remember him saying that he would leave Yamaha if they didn't build a 1000cc engine. I remember when he left Honda b/c Honda didn't think he was "special".
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What a manly man!



The paragon of motorcycle racing sportsmanship is a guy who threw it down the road during a pivotal championship race at Qatar and then proceeded to curse the competition b/c Rossi couldn't cope with his own self loathing?
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It is embarrassing that people are so myopic (hence the need for yellow spectacles) that they can't even draw a reasonable conclusion from historical events. Stoner is benign. Rossi razes the sport to the ground in the press until he gets his way.



Some slow riders blocked me and I fell down. I don't know what's going on with the front end.<-------- These remarks, a few obscene gestures, and a sour face is what it takes to be the king of dummy spats?
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The part that shows the mental weakness above all else is that he ends up a blithering mess. If you think that makes him the same as everyone else who can keep it together, you're entitled to your opinion.

I can't respect someone that is so weak.
 
Incidentally, yes Rossi has had a go at people, yes he had to argue to get the right suppliers and companies to pull their fingers out. He didn't go and sit in the corner and cry and hope that it would get better. He was working at the problem through those efforts.
 
woody996 said:
The part that shows the mental weakness above all else is that he ends up a blithering mess. If you think that makes him the same as everyone else who can keep it together, you're entitled to your opinion.

I can't respect someone that is so weak.
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Either your taking the piss to get a reaction or someone pissed in your corn flakes this morning?
 
Jumkie said:
What, u dont think we hav enuff Stoner haters?



Woody, welcome to the forum. Dont take my reply to heart, but ur opinion was strong so allow me the same latidude. Nice history lesson, so the grid is filled with 250 champs, who knew? But ur interpretation of different personalities & character is mistaking what u call "mental weakness". I supose u would prefer a grid filled with camera clowns like Rossi, i guess according to ur interpretation it would mean a grid of 'mentally tuff" guys. Hav u stopped to consider that the pouting antics u ascribe to Casey can just as easily b ascribed to Rossi for pouting that Yamaha has kept Lorenzo as his teammate? Or is ur standard limited to flipping the bird to a slow dangerous rider on the race line? After all, the heat of the track surely must be much much 'less' taxing mentally than having a jounalist put a mic in ur face, right? (sarcasm) Rossi's pouts rare the equivallent of flipping the bird to Lorenzo, Yamaha, and every spectator who wants to believe there is a standard of professionalism and sportmanship. But i suppose 'showmanship' trumps 'sportsmanship' cuz what screams mental tuffness more than publiclly cowarding to a challenge coming from accross the garage, eh?



So let me get this straight, Stoner not winning a lower class title like Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Capirossi, Melandri, Simoncelli, Aoyama, means he is mentally weak and as u say, hasnt made good on his "apprenticeship"? Wow, really i dont even know how to respond. Newsflash, none of those guys hav yet to nap a MotoGP title (u know, the ones that every grand prix, superbiker, club racer, trackday rider, etc. aspires & dreams to win). Casey, the mentally weakest of the list according to u has actually won one, and against Rossi, the gold standard of "tuffness".



So Woods, ur big case for Stoners mental weakness is a combination of flipping the bird while on the track (a pressure cooker situation, im sure u watch the practices since thats wher u get ur fuel about Stoner, well add that "weak minded" Texan Spies to ur list of brats since twice already ive seen him flip the bird to a ....... maddening slow rider in the race line), not sticking around the lower class long enuf (like Biaggi, Capirossi, or Lorenzo to nap multiple 250 titles but zero MotoGP titles, who im sure if asked would be willing to trade them all for just one big bike title), and leaving his home, friends, comfort of his country with the unconditional support of his parents (what a spoiled brat, imagine that, chasing ur dream with the blessing of ur parents and repaying them with a championship at the top of the sport and trusting ur dad, the man who gave up everything for his son, to manage ur career), and to equate all this to; 'therefore the man is mentally weak?' Uhm yeah that must make sense in ur world, but hey ur not alone here.
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Really?? Lorenzo hung around 250cc to collect titles?? He was there one more year than Stoner, yet earned 2 titles. I guess you better throw Pedrosa in the mix also collecting 2 of them (in both years he was in 250cc). It has gotten a bit harder to come into MotoGP over the past few years IMO....there are less seats as teams pull out.



I do think Capirossi and Biaggi may have stuck around to collect their titles, but IMO it was a little different to get a 500cc ride in the 90's. During that time period, most riders were home grown and pulled up throught the classes with the manufacturer. Biaggi won 3 titles with Aprilia (but had a very week 500cc class bike) and moved to Honda for his 4th 250cc title to get his foot in the door on a Honda 500cc the following year. With the 250 class having most manufacturers pull out buy the time Lorenzo came to MotoGP, there was not really a brand/rider loyalty to move up through anymore.



I don't think Rossi wanting a wall in the pits is a sign of mental weakness. This is a man who left the best bike and team for the worst bike out there and made it a winner from race one. He bounced back from 2006 and 2007 in 2008 and won the title, and he also won the title in 2009 while the data was shared between himself and Lorenzo. He gave Lorenzo a killer bike, shown him the ropes, and for 2010, Rossi is letting him run his own show so there is no question if Lorenzo can grind out an entire season and win. I think he has learned quite a bit in 2 years and has a really good shot at the title for this year.



I dont know if Stoner has had a mental breakdown. I dont know him personally. It does seem to me that he is not able to work through his problems very well. When the bike is working great, he can ride the wheels off of it. When the bike is not up to snuff, he does not ride well at all, and it usually ends in crashes. Maybe he cant tell the bike is not working the way he wants and he crashes out trying to get it to do something it cant do. Rossi has always been very good at getting the bike to work well and if it does not do what he wants, he will change his riding during the race to bring home points.



I hope he comes around gets back to riding up front again.....if not MotoGP will be a Rossi/Lorenzo show and become quite boring.
 
Jumkie said:
What, u dont think we hav enuff Stoner haters?



Woody, welcome to the forum. Dont take my reply to heart, but ur opinion was strong so allow me the same latidude. Nice history lesson, so the grid is filled with 250 champs, who knew? But ur interpretation of different personalities & character is mistaking what u call "mental weakness". I supose u would prefer a grid filled with camera clowns like Rossi, i guess according to ur interpretation it would mean a grid of 'mentally tuff" guys. Hav u stopped to consider that the pouting antics u ascribe to Casey can just as easily b ascribed to Rossi for pouting that Yamaha has kept Lorenzo as his teammate? Or is ur standard limited to flipping the bird to a slow dangerous rider on the race line? After all, the heat of the track surely must be much much 'less' taxing mentally than having a jounalist put a mic in ur face, right? (sarcasm) Rossi's pouts rare the equivallent of flipping the bird to Lorenzo, Yamaha, and every spectator who wants to believe there is a standard of professionalism and sportmanship. But i suppose 'showmanship' trumps 'sportsmanship' cuz what screams mental tuffness more than publiclly cowarding to a challenge coming from accross the garage, eh?



So let me get this straight, Stoner not winning a lower class title like Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Capirossi, Melandri, Simoncelli, Aoyama, means he is mentally weak and as u say, hasnt made good on his "apprenticeship"? Wow, really i dont even know how to respond. Newsflash, none of those guys hav yet to nap a MotoGP title (u know, the ones that every grand prix, superbiker, club racer, trackday rider, etc. aspires & dreams to win). Casey, the mentally weakest of the list according to u has actually won one, and against Rossi, the gold standard of "tuffness".



So Woods, ur big case for Stoners mental weakness is a combination of flipping the bird while on the track (a pressure cooker situation, im sure u watch the practices since thats wher u get ur fuel about Stoner, well add that "weak minded" Texan Spies to ur list of brats since twice already ive seen him flip the bird to a ....... maddening slow rider in the race line), not sticking around the lower class long enuf (like Biaggi, Capirossi, or Lorenzo to nap multiple 250 titles but zero MotoGP titles, who im sure if asked would be willing to trade them all for just one big bike title), and leaving his home, friends, comfort of his country with the unconditional support of his parents (what a spoiled brat, imagine that, chasing ur dream with the blessing of ur parents and repaying them with a championship at the top of the sport and trusting ur dad, the man who gave up everything for his son, to manage ur career), and to equate all this to; 'therefore the man is mentally weak?' Uhm yeah that must make sense in ur world, but hey ur not alone here.
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I don't know how you continue to find the energy to keep sparring with these narrow minded boppers but you are good at it.



Babelfish said:
That's just plain..... wrong.

Different people express the same emotions differently and there is now other way to translate his display of emotions than the disappointment, despair and lots of other negative feelings, and they ALL brake down to one single thing: Competitiveness.

Anyone who doesn't show emotions after a crash like that are a true looser. Exactly how you express them doesn't matter much, that's just for media and onlooker to feast on.

ANY of these riders, or at least those with true championship aspirations should and would get bitterly disappointed and express that in various ways. Some more sympathetic than others but that just the display.
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Nice Babel. Some people don't understand sports people and competitive nature so you are probably wasting your breath. I heard a quote once and it goes like this - "if you want to be average just wake up" There seems to be a lot of people on here who have only ever just woken up each day.



mylexicon said:
Did you stop watching during the 2006 and 2007 seasons?
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Rossi doesn't whine?



I remember him spending more time pumping his fist at Elias than trying to recover his bike at Jerez in 2006. I remember him pouting on his exploded Yamahas at LeMans, China, and Laguna. I remember him blaming Michelin for his problems in 2006 and 2007 when his Yamaha was the only bike chunking the tires. I remember when he demanded that Yamaha switch to a V4 b/c an I4 wasn't good enough to beat the Ducati. I remember him getting Dorna to change his tires to Bridgestone out of revenge to Michelin for making tires for Pedrosa. I remember him saying that he would leave Yamaha if they didn't build a 1000cc engine. I remember when he left Honda b/c Honda didn't think he was "special".
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What a manly man!



The paragon of motorcycle racing sportsmanship is a guy who threw it down the road during a pivotal championship race at Qatar and then proceeded to curse the competition b/c Rossi couldn't cope with his own self loathing?
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It is embarrassing that people are so myopic (hence the need for yellow spectacles) that they can't even draw a reasonable conclusion from historical events. Stoner is benign. Rossi razes the sport to the ground in the press until he gets his way.



Some slow riders blocked me and I fell down. I don't know what's going on with the front end.<-------- These remarks, a few obscene gestures, and a sour face is what it takes to be the king of dummy spats?
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Come on Lex you know that this is just negotiation if Rossi does it. For anyone else especially Stoner the above would be tantamount to a metaphorical ... change.
 
New Handlebars solve front end problems.ffs.

i take it Duc making new bars means there expecting more off's but at least he can remount and hope to get a point

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Stoner 'has already decided to go', fears Ducati

As speculation over the MotoGP 2011 rider merry-go-round increasingly gathers pace, a well-informed Ducati Marlboro source concedes that 2007 world champion Casey Stoner 'has already decided' to switch to Repsol Honda next year

Casey Stoner 'has already decided' to leave Ducati Corse for Repsol Honda in MotoGP 2011, a well-informed insider from the Australian's current team has conceded – as his suitor admitted that it is also 'interested' in regaining the services of Valentino Rossi.



It was reported earlier this month that Stoner and Honda have all-but agreed terms for the 2007 MotoGP World Champion to switch camps for next season [see separate story – click here], and whilst Ducati itself has maintained its silence on the matter, a source within the Italian outfit has revealed to GPWeek that there is now no going back.
 
Stoner is not "mentally weak".



None of these top riders is -- they wouldn't be there otherwise.



Then, of course, they are all human. According to their character, they may on occasion whine, shout, show the finger or complain. Or even cry (Akilles used to cry as well).



But weak? No way.
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