Stoner's mental weakness

farck what an excuse feast!! Most of this .... would make cs himself sick!! Saying that cs is finished for the season with 15 to go is also ridiculous. Memories are very short depending on bias of course, rossi and jl crashed out more last year and look how that turned out......



It's also rubbish to blame ducati for this, dorna brought in the engine rule which of course forced manufacturers to seriously rethink reliability, hence the death of the duck screamer IMO, stoner had serious front end issues in 06 and 08 so this is nothing new......



Stoners detractors certainly get a lot of ammunition from him with comments like 'jl made the others look silly today' by beating them by 5.5 secs is inflamatory. Maybe he should have thought back to the last round where the top three beat him by double that, does this mean that they made him look 'ridiculous' at herez? Of course not......



The guy has the pr skills of goat .... with more flipping incidents at le mans and the pit lane breakdown adding incredible fuel to the raging fire, fans don't need to love rossi to dislike

stoner at all.....If he settles down, stops his spoilt brat antics and spends a bit more time on the bike working out his riding/bike issues maybe all the other issues might disappear



Adriana the man needs a ........ and a kick up the arse, he's not mentally weak at all-just confused

Good point about the front end issues Talpa,06 Honda and 08 Ducati,I agree.Casey needs to find that middle ground between Nicky and himself in regards to riding style and how hard to push,once he cracks that nut we`ll be seeing him in a better light.

The problem has been sold..... stoners getting NEW HANDLEBARS!



http://www.racers-republic.com/motogp/825/stoner-gets-stronger-handlebars

bonnielass said:

The problem has been sold..... stoners getting NEW HANDLEBARS!



http://www.racers-republic.com/motogp/825/stoner-gets-stronger-handlebars

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Can you actually sell problems?

Otis Driftwood said:

Can you actually sell problems?

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That's ozy speak for solved!

bonnielass said:

That's ozy speak for solved!

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Arrabbiata1 said:

Disagree.



With a broken collar bone, you can jack up on pain killers, and combined with a healthy shot of testosterone and adrenaline coursing through your veins go out on Sunday and race. Off the top of my head Bayliss did it at Brands some years ago, and was it last year Haga did the same at Miller. There's no quick fix for the effects of a lactose intolerance.



So Casey sat it out for three races, came back, and bar the stupid .... up at Valencia which he threw away on on the warm up lap...performed flawlessly. You simply don't do that if you have a mental weakness. Casey pushes very hard - that's how he races, that's all he knows, and he rarely rides for points - perhaps there's the mental weakness you are desperate to ascribe to him. My contention is that, very simply he's overriding the new big bang GP10 - Jumkie's right.



By sitting out three races last year Casey invited the derision of his detractors, the ire of his sponsors and the criticism of his peers.



Would Schwantz have done the same? - hell no, but with the benefit of hindsight, perhaps that was his weakness.

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Thanks for that. A lot of folks on this forum idolize Schwantz for stoic qualities and his cowboy craziness - but all the people in

the know back then said that Schwantz was ridiculously undisciplined. He crashed constantly during his career and nobody

called him mentally weak.

Talpa said:

The guy has the pr skills of goat .... with more flipping incidents at le mans and the pit lane breakdown adding incredible fuel to the raging fire, fans don't need to love rossi to dislike stoner at all.....If he settles down, stops his spoilt brat antics and spends a bit more time on the bike working out his riding/bike issues maybe all the other issues might disappear

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I couldn't agree more, well said.......I've said this myself in numerous iterations to others while trying to explain why people are irritated by him.

Keshav said:

Thanks for that. A lot of folks on this forum idolize Schwantz for stoic qualities and his cowboy craziness - but all the people in

the know back then said that Schwantz was ridiculously undisciplined. He crashed constantly during his career and nobody

called him mentally weak.

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I think the mentally weak comments came from seeing stoner crying his eyes out in his garage after crashing. Then the whining and uncertanty in is interview that took place during the race. Not to do with the crashing. Cant ever remember Schwantz or Lorenzo balling their eyes out like a five-year old just because things didn't go their way.

The California Kid said:

To my Knowledge Lactose intolerance is not a life threatening or painful disease. isn't it when you .... your pants from eating cheese or drinking milk.



And Keshav What do you mean Bautista had nothing to do with it! like i said before you have to have a good set of balls to jump on that bike as it is, and let alone jump on it with a broken collar bone.

too bad Bayliss Doohan or Schwantz never had Lactose problems maybe then we could have had some more answers!!

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Firstly - you are making an assumption that lactose intolerance has anything at all to do Stoner's poor start to the season. He's

said nothing about it. As far as anyone knows - he's beat the problem. Stoner has said that he himself is not certain why he

crashed. Note: he made no excuse - which is problematic for the Stoner haters - because they have no foundation for making

more insipid high-school jibes... so they all go back to the tried and true "Stoner is a pantywaist" nonsense, rather than objectively

considering that he simply hasn't been able to adapt to the new bike well enough to ride at the limit in the classic Stoner fashion.

There is a fairly obvious parallel between Lorenzo's being able to leave Rossi in the dust on an onstensibly identical bike

and Hayden doing the same to Hayden on the Ducati. The problems of adapting the new Ducati would appear greater as

it is more substantially changed from last year than the Yamaha.



You say "to my knowledge" - but your knowledge is clearly limited; limited to what conveniently fits your theory. Allergies can be and frequently are much more debilitating than most people imagine. I have them and have learned from experience that any food that your body become allergic to - depletes your immune system

which in turn causes fatigue, brain fog, depression etc. all of which combined with the day-to-day stresses of racing in the most demanding and competitive motorsport in the world can totally wipe you out. I had episodes of chronic fatigue for years - at times so bad that I could barely get out of bed and it was only by doing elimination diets and vitamin drips

that I finally got past it all and regained my health. I can tell you that back when it was at its worst - my mind was often filled with thoughts of snuffing it. Allergies, to those who don't suffer from them - seem like a big joke. Andy Kessler, one of my dearest friends for 22 years who was one of the most beloved icons of the skateboard scene - as macho a guy as you can

imagine - who'd had all kinds of horrendous injuries including a fractured pelvis that left him in a body cast for a year - died last August when he was stung by a bee. One minute he was doing a demo in front of hundreds of adoring fans - and 8 minutes later he was dead on the sidewalk. That's what allergies can do.

Arrabbiata1 said:

Disagree.



With a broken collar bone, you can jack up on pain killers, and combined with a healthy shot of testosterone and adrenaline coursing through your veins go out on Sunday and race. Off the top of my head Bayliss did it at Brands some years ago, and was it last year Haga did the same at Miller. There's no quick fix for the effects of a lactose intolerance.



So Casey sat it out for three races, came back, and bar the stupid .... up at Valencia which he threw away on on the warm up lap...performed flawlessly. You simply don't do that if you have a mental weakness. Casey pushes very hard - that's how he races, that's all he knows, and he rarely rides for points - perhaps there's the mental weakness you are desperate to ascribe to him. My contention is that, very simply he's overriding the new big bang GP10 - Jumkie's right.



By sitting out three races last year Casey invited the derision of his detractors, the ire of his sponsors and the criticism of his peers.



Would Schwantz have done the same? - hell no, but with the benefit of hindsight, perhaps that was his weakness.

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I don't know about that mate. The g forces these rider have to tolerate especially under braking with a broken shoulder It's not just the pain, its your body being broken so unable to deal with the forces. Like a bridge with broken cables. As for Lactose intolerance, I'm Lactose intolerant, if i drink milk ill puke, cheese i get a bit of heat burn but ive had this all my life. For someone of caseys age to only deiscover this now is ........ imo, especially if he is so intollerant it caused him to take 3 weeks out . There is a quick fix, dont eat dairy products. For him to suffer that much during a race, .... did he down a pint of milk just before the race. I still do not believe this bollocks to be honest.

His problem is not that he is lactose intolerant. It is that he is pressure intolerant. The dude folds faster than a lawn chair. He gives up quicker than the french. He complains more than our wives do. And he takes more vacation than the germans. Why?? because this is Casey's world and we all live in it.



Last week a legend. This week a loser.



And last year I was the crazy one, at least I didn't change my opinion.

chopperman said:

I don't know about that mate. The g forces these rider have to tolerate especially under braking with a broken shoulder

It's not just the pain, its your body being broken so unable to deal with the forces. Like a bridge with broken cables. As for Lactose intolerance, I'm Lactose intolerant, if i drink milk ill puke, cheese i get a bit of heat burn but ive had this all my life. For someone of caseys age to only deiscover this now is ........ imo, especially if he is so intollerant it caused him to take 3 weeks out . There is a quick fix, dont eat dairy products. For him to suffer that much during a race, .... did he down a pint of milk just before the race. I still do not believe this bollocks to be honest.

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Again.... There's no source saying Stoner was blaming any of 2010 season's problems on health problems.

The whole lactose intolerance "controversy" is a dead issue. You're applying last year's bugaboo to this year's

performance - throwing .... at the wall as it were, to see if it sticks; it doesn't. It seems pretty clear that Stoner

who bent over backwards adapting to the wildly idiosyncratic Ducati of the last three years - is having trouble

riding his usual style on the 2010 incarnation of the Duc.

MdubSTYLIE said:

His problem is not that he is lactose intolerant. It is that he is pressure intolerant. The dude folds faster than a lawn chair. He gives up quicker than the french. He complains more than our wives do. And he takes more vacation than the germans. Why?? because this is Casey's world and we all live in it.



Last week a legend. This week a loser.



And last year I was the crazy one, at least I didn't change my opinion.

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You were wrong last year and you're wrong again this year. Show one incident in the 2010 season where

Stoner has "folded". Crashing is not the same as "folding". When Rossi crashed at Indy did anyone here

accuse of him of being mentally weak or "folding"? No. You're applying the old cherry-picked double standard

to rag on a rider who doesn't fit the mold of macho party boy that so many idolize.

Keshav said:

Again.... There's no source saying Stoner was blaming any of 2010 season's problems on health problems.

The whole lactose intolerance "controversy" is a dead issue. You're applying last year's bugaboo to this year's

performance - throwing .... at the wall as it were, to see if it sticks; it doesn't. It seems pretty clear that Stoner

who bent over backwards adapting to the wildly idiosyncratic Ducati of the last three years - is having trouble

riding his usual style on the 2010 incarnation of the Duc.

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But your missing one thing. You lot are saying all his problems are due to the bike now being big bang. Im pointing out that the bike was not big bang for the past 2 years so question the reasoning beind that statment.

Talpa said:

Stoners detractors certainly get a lot of ammunition from him with comments like 'jl made the others look silly today' by beating them by 5.5 secs is inflamatory.



The guy has the pr skills of goat .......

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Talps, Stoner says nothing terribly different than your hero Rossi or Lorenzo when frustrated. You want to bring up "inflammatory" how about publicly talking about your employer they need to get rid of your teammate, then pout when they resign him as Rossi did about Lorenzo? But most of Casey's detractors jump all over him when he speaks (or stays silent for that matter.) I suspect you took issue with his comment because it bothers you that JL beat Vale, but Lorenzo said something "inflammatory" (by your standards) too, JL said the race was "easy". Which could be construed as arrogant. Which reminds me, you took issue with JLo's celebration, hahaha, stop pouting already.



I disagree, I don't think his PR skills are ...., the difference is he's just not a clown who goes around making production celebrations and cheesy antics at the camera. Perhaps that is your thing, but me, not so much. I like his business like straight forward interviews. You're gonna tell us about his display of frustration in the garage after a crash a fuel to the fire? Dude, c'mon, every rider has shown frustration after a crash. At Indy last year, Pedro and Rossi crashed, only one of them stayed after the race to greet fans, guess which one. Casey is damned if he does or damned if he doesn't, for me his display of emotion was refreshing, it said to me, the dude is kicking himself for the mistake, no need for me to kick him anymore while down.



But I agree with your last point Talps, yes he needs to relax with the help of said wify services.

This is all a bit of a joke. Mental weakness? How exactly are people working out that Stoner is mentally weak? ANYONE would sound downbeat when their results differ so far from their expectations. Remember how miserable Nicky Hayden looked and sounded in numerous interviews and TV footage last year when he couldn't work out why he was so slow. NOBODY accused him of being mentally weak, the reason being that he worked through his problems until he was comfortable and as we are seeing now he is performing at a level he is more happy with, similar to Lorezno in 08. Now Casey has had a terrible start to the year, the only way he would not be downbeat is if he truly didn't care about his performance, and the only way his confidence would not be knocked is if he was truly stupid. Having an accident and not understanding its cause is damaging, and always will be.



The only way we can objectively conclude that Stoners mental strength is poor is if he fails to recover from the low he currently finds himself in and the frustration leads him to give up looking for a solution. Now some of you may rather enjoy predicting Stoners downfall, having seen the strength he showed last year i am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt and i expect to see him back at the front in the future one way or another. Which ever camp you sit in it is downright premature to conclude Stoner is mentally weak on the basis that he is in the process of discovering a problem with his performance, because its how he deals with it which will indicate his strength.

chopperman said:

I think the mentally weak comments came from seeing stoner crying his eyes out in his garage after crashing. Then the whining and uncertanty in is interview that took place during the race.

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Do you expect people to take your opinion seriously when it is painfully clear you will hate Stoner no matter what he does. If he doesn't show his face on the cameras and give interviews after a bad result you ..... about it. If you leaves the garage door open and gives an interview you ..... about it. if he wins you ..... about it, if he loses you ..... about it. I quite clearly recall seeing Rossi sitting in an MPV after his bike broke at Le mans 2006 looking obviously devastated with his head in his hands, what a mentally weak miserable ...... Right?

Tom said:

This is all a bit of a joke. Mental weakness? How exactly are people working out that Stoner is mentally weak? ANYONE would sound downbeat when their results differ so far from their expectations. Remember how miserable Nicky Hayden looked and sounded in numerous interviews and TV footage last year when he couldn't work out why he was so slow. NOBODY accused him of being mentally weak, the reason being that he worked through his problems until he was comfortable and as we are seeing now he is performing at a level he is more happy with, similar to Lorezno in 08. Now Casey has had a terrible start to the year, the only way he would not be downbeat is if he truly didn't care about his performance, and the only way his confidence would not be knocked is if he was truly stupid. Having an accident and not understanding its cause is damaging, and always will be.



The only way we can objectively conclude that Stoners mental strength is poor is if he fails to recover from the low he currently finds himself in and the frustration leads him to give up looking for a solution. Now some of you may rather enjoy predicting Stoners downfall, having seen the strength he showed last year i am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt and i expect to see him back at the front in the future one way or another. Which ever camp you sit in it is downright premature to conclude Stoner is mentally weak on the basis that he is in the process of discovering a problem with his performance, because its how he deals with it which will indicate his strength.

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Karma's a ..... aint it. Remember The .... Malandri took in 08 ? He was also branded menally weak, while stoner publicly dissed him.

Tom said:

Do you expect people to take your opinion seriously when it is painfully clear you will hate Stoner no matter what he does. If he doesn't show his face on the cameras and give interviews after a bad result you ..... about it. If you leaves the garage door open and gives an interview you ..... about it. if he wins you ..... about it, if he loses you ..... about it. I quite clearly recall seeing Rossi sitting in an MPV after his bike broke at Le mans 2006 looking obviously devastated with his head in his hands, what a mentally weak miserable ...... Right?

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Lot's of flying accusations all out of context, you sound like a spoiled ..... there tom.