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Wonder what people will make of this?



Source :- http://www.superbike...Jul/120706z.htm







Do you hear a faint crackling noise? It's probably the bridges burning behind Casey Stoner.



Reigning World Champion Casey Stoner continued his withering criticism of Bridgestone after the first day of practice for the German Grand Prix on Friday at the Sachsenring, saying he doesn't trust the tire manufacturer or its rubber.



Stoner contends Bridgestone quality has deteriorated since it became the exclusive tire supplier to the premier class in 2009 after Michelin's withdrawal after the 2008 season.



"(Bridgestone) do not ever admit that there is something wrong with the tires," Stoner told Italian media. "But can they really be trusted? The reality is they are getting worse. The lap times are higher every year; it's increasingly difficult for riders to break records. Technology improves, but we are slower. It's frustrating."



Stoner also disputed Bridgestone's official findings that higher-than-expected temperatures, aggressive bike setups and the tall camber of the Assen circuit contributed to Valentino Rossi and Ben Spies losing huge chunks of their rear tires during the race.



"I still cannot say anything, but the point is that tires are defective," Stoner said. "It justifies speaking of structures, tire pressure or anything, but when you see pieces come off the rubber, there is no excuse."



Stoner also doesn't expect the MotoGP Safety Commission to intervene on behalf of riders, instead expecting the group to side with the Bridgestone company line or do nothing.



"I've completely given up talking with them," Stoner said of Bridgestone. "I've run with Bridgestone since 2007, and it is the same thing every year: never admit mistakes. The Safety Commission does not make decisions, only serves to protect the interests of some people.



"I'm leaving the next year, and I do not think things will change in the short term."
 
Bravo!

Anyone who bothered to read Bridgestone's snivelling post-Assen PR-spew will applaud Stoner's strongly worded critique.







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Saying what's on his mind....whinge, whine, ....., whatever, it's his opinion and he doesn't give a ....! Maybe more riders should say what is really on their mind.
 
The tyres ARE ..... The pics of Vale and Ben's tyres from Assen say it all, I think. It is plausible to contend that the tyres are designed with rapid tyre degradation in mind, plus to punish the aggressive rider more - all to encourage closer and more interesting racing. However, perhaps Bridgestone have gone too far in this regard and the tyres are just falling apart. I bet Stoner aint the only one who is pissed off.
 
Saying what's on his mind....whinge, whine, ....., whatever, it's his opinion and he doesn't give a ....! Maybe more riders should say what is really on their mind.



And lose their rides!!! nup, its what you do in your farewell speach ......... especially when Dorna is involved.
 
I can relate. I basically made the same comments after I had a bad experience with durex. I am now and forever a Trojan man.
 
Its Gaz not Ganz being, whatchacallit...oh baiting. He doesnt really think Stoner is "whining". Considering the tire failures were of his "rivals" (if u can call them that) its in their defense. Also, keep in mind, its superbiasplanet. I posted a link to Bridgestones piss release in the Assen GP thread and basically said exactly what Casey is saying (its not the first time Stoner has copied me). Bstones sucked ..., and they found blame in everything except themselves. Can u image Cal's take had his tire chunked. Haha, that would have been fun to hear.



Bridges burning? The ... who wrote that article should be taking up Stoners cause on the tire malfunctions instead of chickenshit pandering.
 
Its Gaz being, whatchacallit...oh baiting. He doesnt really think Stoner is "whining". Considering the tire failures were of his "rivals" (if u can call them that) its in their defense. Also, keep in mind, its superbiasplanet. I posted a link to Bridgestones piss release in the Assen GP thread and basically said exactly what Casey is saying (its not the first time Stoner has copied me). Bstones sucked ..., and they found blame in everything except themselves.



Bridges burning? The ... who wrote that article should be taking up Stoners cause on the tire malfunctions instead of chickenshit pandering.



Amen!
 
Its Gaz not Ganz being, whatchacallit...oh baiting. He doesnt really think Stoner is "whining". Considering the tire failures were of his "rivals" (if u can call them that) its in their defense. Also, keep in mind, its superbiasplanet. I posted a link to Bridgestones piss release in the Assen GP thread and basically said exactly what Casey is saying (its not the first time Stoner has copied me). Bstones sucked ..., and they found blame in everything except themselves. Can u image Cal's take had his tire chunked. Haha, that would have been fun to hear.



Bridges burning? The ... who wrote that article should be taking up Stoners cause on the tire malfunctions instead of chickenshit pandering.





Geez Jumkie, ruin all my bloody fun will ya
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I would have thought the 'whinge' in inverted commas would have given the game away.
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I think Stoner is going to be Dorna's biggest nightmare for the remainder of the season. He is systematically ripping them to bits over their poor management of the sport and as the year progresses he will ramp it up and with no other riders coming out declaring him "wrong" the mud is going to stick.



Punters across many forum's and many commentators seem to be really having a dig at Dorna for all the rule changes and poor condition that MotoGP finds itself in. Not many of them seem to have faith that Dorna knows what is wrong let alone has a formula to fix it. I would not be surprised at all to see a big drop in viewer numbers by the end of the year and next year. I know that I won't be re-subscribing to MotoGP.com next year and will revert to just watching the races on TV rather than every interview, every practice session etc. I am so disappointed in what the sport I have been watching for 20 years has been reduced to with Dorna at the helm.
 
Good on stoner

it wont change a lot

the sheep that love, follow, write, think, motogp is a great format as it is now

will still be lemmings.
 
Good on stoner

it wont change a lot

the sheep that love, follow, write, think, motogp is a great format as it is now

will still be lemmings.

Please don't mention animals Pidg while Barry's logged on.
 
By the way, nice to see that the discourse[sup]1[/sup] has shifted from making fun about riders that complain to making fun about people that make fun about riders that complain. The world has changed.



Note[sup]1[/sup]:couldn't avoid that word, damn.
 
I believe Casey. I always thought the control tyre rule would be detriment to quality and advancement. When there is no competition there is nothing to gauge against and no real incentive to improve.



As for Bridgestone not admitting when there wrong. This seems to be a cultural Japanese thing. Something Rossi said while at HRC and something i have experienced personally. They are a very disciplined race but with that discipline comes great arrogance.
 
I believe Casey. I always thought the control tyre rule would be detriment to quality and advancement. When there is no competition there is nothing to gauge against and no real incentive to improve.



As for Bridgestone not admitting when there wrong. This seems to be a cultural Japanese thing. Something Rossi said while at HRC and something i have experienced personally. They are a very disciplined race but with that discipline comes great arrogance.

For those of us who were against the control tire from the get go, this was the main argument. In defense of Bridgestone, i beleive Dorna is playing a big hand in what being produced for the track. More of Dorna's desperate attempt to create artificial results. Point a finger at Capirossi as well, he has been instrumental in leading the series down this path. Im not really sure if i totally agree with Stoner on this, as late as last year, there were records being broke with race tires, thatwere set in 2008 on qualifiers. Tire chunking is inexcusable, but there is plenty of blame to go around.
 

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