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When we get to a track where the medium or soft options are usable you can expect Jorge to be near the front again, he doesn't cope well with the hard tyres seemingly. Marquez on the other hand does and will ride any tyres well.
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I love the way you work Jum (I say "work" cause it seems like it's really a job of yours). He's only third in the championship but as soon as his title hopes rise up just one tiny bit, you already start building the foundation for another absurd conspiracy,
It would be so easy if you just admitted you hate his guts cause he won too much in the first 2000's... but that wouldn't be "expert sounding" enough, I know.
PS Maybe you should also remind posterity of what the asphalt temperature was in this year's Barcelona (47 degrees). Unless you think it's a completely meaningless factor in tyre choice... In which case I wonder: if the weather conditions had no influence on it and it's true what you say about this hard being "Valentino's special"... than why didn't many more riders pick the medium and avoid that evil thing not designed for them?
It would be so easy if you just admitted you hate his guts cause he won too much in the first 2000's... but that wouldn't be "expert sounding" enough, I know.
PS Maybe you should also remind posterity of what the asphalt temperature was in this year's Barcelona (47 degrees). Unless you think it's a completely meaningless factor in tyre choice... In which case I wonder: if the weather conditions had no influence on it and it's true what you say about this hard being "Valentino's special"... than why didn't many more riders pick the medium and avoid that evil thing not designed for them?
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I think the takeaway should be that Lorenzo has won races without edge grip, and while it is a preferred tire for him, he shouldn't be so easily dismissed based on a preference. Every rider and team has a preference for how they want their tire to perform on the track. This is nothing new to racing at large and has been going on for decades.
A few years back I was talking with one of the guys at the Goodyear racing division, and he was telling me about how when they used to supply Formula 1, one of the most difficult things to deal with was the constant lobbying by the teams they supplied to adjust the tire construction to suit their cars. You had Williams, Ferrari, McLaren, and Jordan who were on the upper tier trying to influence tire design. The teams with the exception of Jordan, were all winning races, but the tires were never to their true satisfaction.
The several Rossi fans here should have read the article and understood that while it's easy to accuse Lorenzo of being an edge grip only rider, their idol also has his only tire preferences. While successful in the control tire era, his success has never been what it was prior to the control tire era. Bridgestone had to make tires to accommodate a wide variety of bikes as opposed to designing for a couple of bikes, or single bike...or even single rider.
No he dislikes Rossi not because of his success, but because of the discrediting of the success of other riders, notably Nicky Hayden's, of whom he is a huge fan.
On the contrary, I would argue that Rossi's great success in the 2000s convinced you guys that he was unbeatable and that other riders could not beat him fairly and hence did not deserve any credit; he was and is a great rider, but not unbeatable as has been demonstrated. The debate initially concerned widespread discrediting by Rossi fans of Hayden and Stoner on the basis that they won titles due to them having large equipment advantages, so his fans at least are reaping what was sowed, but I, as does Jumkie, also believe Rossi himself has used his fanbase and media influence to make life uncomfortable for his rivals.
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Hayden's title wasn't attributed to having an equipment advantage, his bike was constantly getting development parts thrown in for Nicky to test at a critical part of the season. Imo that title was more about making hay while the sun shines in terms of having a great start to the season while Rossi didn't, and picking important points up when he had to. And of course riding brilliantly at Valencia while Rossi dropped the bat.
Of course this years tyres are preferred for Rossi
Has rossi suddenly become faster in 2016, absolutley not, he has just got the tyres he wanted and the others have not. Look what happened last year when Lorenzo won 4 on the trot, Dorna pulled the tyre he liked from there on, and guess what, replaced it with the one Rossi liked. But Rossi still wasn't good enough in the end
dorna will do anything to get Rossi to take another title. I think he might do it this year, and it will be hailed as the best thing ever, when really it is a desperate man using his power in the sport to satisfy his ego.
Has rossi suddenly become faster in 2016, absolutley not, he has just got the tyres he wanted and the others have not. Look what happened last year when Lorenzo won 4 on the trot, Dorna pulled the tyre he liked from there on, and guess what, replaced it with the one Rossi liked. But Rossi still wasn't good enough in the end
dorna will do anything to get Rossi to take another title. I think he might do it this year, and it will be hailed as the best thing ever, when really it is a desperate man using his power in the sport to satisfy his ego.
I am not saying he actually had an equipment advantage over Rossi, as your post implies he didn't imo even have the full support of his own team, but that his title was attributed to Yamaha screwing up their 2006 bike, and luck, and that he got very little credit particularly from Rossi fans. Stoner's 2007 title was very definitely attributed solely to equipment advantage by many, in the absence of any evidence that anyone else at all could ride an 800 Ducati competitively, which still applies.
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Is this particular piece of sour grapes because your man couldn't use this weekends tyres to the same effect as Rossi and Marquez and to a lesser extent Pedrosa?
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Capirossi wasnt exactly useless on the 2007 800cc Ducati. He did podium and win a race.....and i'd argue that it was Capirossi that gave the largest input the Ducati development until Casey won or was greatly winning the title in 2007....
Sour grapes not at all vale boy. I quite used to seeing Rossi taking victories. Rossi was fast like the Dhl man on the Sunday morning. Rossi said on Saturday he was very worried about the race and was off the pace until he found 'something in Sunday warm up'. Where have we heard that before.....yawn
In terms of my man, I don't have a man, I have a woman. If your referring to Lorenzo, yeah he rode .... but didn't deserve to be torpedoed but that's racing
The most impressive moment was Marquez shaking rossi's hand, what a gent and pro. Would Rossi have done that if Marquez would have won
In terms of my man, I don't have a man, I have a woman. If your referring to Lorenzo, yeah he rode .... but didn't deserve to be torpedoed but that's racing
The most impressive moment was Marquez shaking rossi's hand, what a gent and pro. Would Rossi have done that if Marquez would have won
I meant that your post implied that HRC basically made Hayden a test mule that year, which was definitely not the Rossi fan narrative back then, and has as it happens been pretty much Jumkie's narrative for the last decade.
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As far as I know he was developing the 800 from before mid season which, considering he was the deserved championship leader was a bit stupid on HRC's part.
He finished 7th in the championship and won one wet dry race in which Stoner only needed to cover Rossi rather than win the race to clinch the title. Not particularly impressive for a guy who won 3 races the year before and was in strong contention for the title that year before being injured if the 2007 bike was totally dominant and rode itself which was the claim by many at the time.
Of course Stoner didn't develop the 2007 bike, how could he have done?, but I don't see how that is relevant to him being far superior on the bike to Capirossi particularly if Capirossi did "develop" the bike.
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Ok what would you say he found on Sunday warm up? All tyres are consigned on Thursday these days so are you suggesting it's sns season again?
im suggesting he has his preferred tyres, which is why he is faster this year.
You don't watch warm ups anyway cos your a bopper. Tyres are allocated on a Thursday, but if you thinks that's the end of it you have not been in a race paddock.
Marquez is a better man, can you accept that cos you like responding to the things only you like to respond too.
You don't watch warm ups anyway cos your a bopper. Tyres are allocated on a Thursday, but if you thinks that's the end of it you have not been in a race paddock.
Marquez is a better man, can you accept that cos you like responding to the things only you like to respond too.
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