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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 1 2008, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow,Casey is taking this fake injury to new levels.I cant believe someone would go to that extent to make excuses for losing the title.Come on man,how much pain could you be in,your still winning races.
well put it this way, he never complained about it when he was winning "only"when he lost".
maybe its just the pain is only there when the bone partial moves or maybe he makes more of it that there actually is ! bit like hayden with his shoulder in 06
well put it this way, he never complained about it when he was winning "only"when he lost".
maybe its just the pain is only there when the bone partial moves or maybe he makes more of it that there actually is ! bit like hayden with his shoulder in 06
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 1 2008, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow,Casey is taking this fake injury to new levels.I cant believe someone would go to that extent to make excuses for losing the title.Come on man,how much pain could you be in,your still winning races.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Nov 1 2008, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well put it this way, he never complained about it when he was winning "only"when he lost".
maybe its just the pain is only there when the bone partial moves or maybe he makes more of it that there actually is ! bit like hayden with his shoulder in 06
uh-oh...
i'll ready the popcorns...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Nov 1 2008, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well put it this way, he never complained about it when he was winning "only"when he lost".
maybe its just the pain is only there when the bone partial moves or maybe he makes more of it that there actually is ! bit like hayden with his shoulder in 06
uh-oh...
i'll ready the popcorns...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Nov 1 2008, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>uh-oh...
i'll ready the popcorns...
POP POP POP,its ready
Nicky's shoulder was not an issue till the next to last race of the year and you nor i knew anything about till after the last race.He raced and won the title in the next race without saying a word to the press about his damaged shoulder,and it was pretty ...... up according to Dr Ting.
From Superbike Planet.
Reigning MotoGP world champion Nick Hayden underwent surgery on his injured shoulder yesterday at Dr. Art Ting's Northern California clinic. Ostensibly, Hayden's surgery was to repair the damage done in his Estoril MotoGP crash—where he was taken out by his teammate, Dani Pedrosa—but the prep for the surgery revealed even more damage than that caused by the Estoril spill.
"I guess what I'd like to say is that Americans should really be proud of Nicky for the performance he put in at Valencia, because, my God, I was just stunned to see how badly his shoulder was damaged and realize that he raced on this and won the world championship," said Ting's Rehab Specialist, Tuan Nguyen today. "We looked at it and thought, my God, look at that gap!"
Ting's clinic services virtually a who's who in the racing world, and has done so for over 15 years. Previous racing clients include Eddie Lawson, Michael Doohan, Miguel DuHamel and many, many others.
"What we found was that Nicky's broken collarbone from 2004 actually never healed," continued Nguyen. "We did an MRI and then looked at it and there was a gap in the old break in his clavicle. The plate was holding it together, but there was a gap between the bones. We also found rotator cuff damage, a labrum tear, and a bone spur on his clavicle."
Hayden had a 45-minute surgery yesterday and expects to be home in Kentucky by the end of the weekend.
Nguyen said it's very uncommon for a plated clavicle not to heal fully. "Not common at all. He never complained. He never said anything about it. He was quiet the whole time."
In the surgery, Hayden's old broken clavicle was fixed, the new damage repaired, the bone spur ground down and all ligament damage fixed. Nguyen and Ting seem hopeful that Hayden will be able to resume testing duties by the end of the month, which coincides with the MotoGP testing ban currently in place.
"A January 21 return to riding is very reasonable," said Nguyen
Hayden said today, "I was hoping that this would be just an in and out, fix the new damage and I'd be good, but I guess that wasn't the case."
Asked how the unhealed broken collarbone felt when muscling around a MotoGP bike for a great length of time, Hayden said, "It never felt great. I really rushed it that year to get back on the bike and I think that probably didn't do anything to help it. I think I was riding ten days later."
Hayden confided that the crash at Estoril wasn't how the muscles in his shoulder were damaged—at least not the hitting the ground part of the incident. "I think the ligament damage was caused by just having the bike ripped out of my hands like it was. I mean, I was hit so hard and from behind sort of, that's what did the soft tissue damage to my rotator cuff and labrum."
Hayden said he knew the moment he got up in the gravel trap at Estoril that his shoulder was damaged, but he elected to keep quiet about it. "I did some ultrasound on it, because a day later I could not move it, but by the time I got to Valencia the adrenaline took over. Well, actually, on Friday morning in practice I was like 'This is going to be tough', but then the adrenaline kicked in and I was fine. I forgot about it when I rode after that, honestly. I'm glad I only had to race one race that weekend, though, I can tell you that."
"Then, when we went to Sepang and went testing, and no adrenaline was flowing. Man it was really bad."
"He's a tough guy," Nguyen reiterated. "All these Hayden boys are tough, Tommy and Roger Lee as well."
"This will take a little longer to heal, but I feel I'll regroup and will come back stronger now that it's all fixed," said Hayden.
Doesnt sound like much of a whiner to me
i'll ready the popcorns...
POP POP POP,its ready
Nicky's shoulder was not an issue till the next to last race of the year and you nor i knew anything about till after the last race.He raced and won the title in the next race without saying a word to the press about his damaged shoulder,and it was pretty ...... up according to Dr Ting.
From Superbike Planet.
Reigning MotoGP world champion Nick Hayden underwent surgery on his injured shoulder yesterday at Dr. Art Ting's Northern California clinic. Ostensibly, Hayden's surgery was to repair the damage done in his Estoril MotoGP crash—where he was taken out by his teammate, Dani Pedrosa—but the prep for the surgery revealed even more damage than that caused by the Estoril spill.
"I guess what I'd like to say is that Americans should really be proud of Nicky for the performance he put in at Valencia, because, my God, I was just stunned to see how badly his shoulder was damaged and realize that he raced on this and won the world championship," said Ting's Rehab Specialist, Tuan Nguyen today. "We looked at it and thought, my God, look at that gap!"
Ting's clinic services virtually a who's who in the racing world, and has done so for over 15 years. Previous racing clients include Eddie Lawson, Michael Doohan, Miguel DuHamel and many, many others.
"What we found was that Nicky's broken collarbone from 2004 actually never healed," continued Nguyen. "We did an MRI and then looked at it and there was a gap in the old break in his clavicle. The plate was holding it together, but there was a gap between the bones. We also found rotator cuff damage, a labrum tear, and a bone spur on his clavicle."
Hayden had a 45-minute surgery yesterday and expects to be home in Kentucky by the end of the weekend.
Nguyen said it's very uncommon for a plated clavicle not to heal fully. "Not common at all. He never complained. He never said anything about it. He was quiet the whole time."
In the surgery, Hayden's old broken clavicle was fixed, the new damage repaired, the bone spur ground down and all ligament damage fixed. Nguyen and Ting seem hopeful that Hayden will be able to resume testing duties by the end of the month, which coincides with the MotoGP testing ban currently in place.
"A January 21 return to riding is very reasonable," said Nguyen
Hayden said today, "I was hoping that this would be just an in and out, fix the new damage and I'd be good, but I guess that wasn't the case."
Asked how the unhealed broken collarbone felt when muscling around a MotoGP bike for a great length of time, Hayden said, "It never felt great. I really rushed it that year to get back on the bike and I think that probably didn't do anything to help it. I think I was riding ten days later."
Hayden confided that the crash at Estoril wasn't how the muscles in his shoulder were damaged—at least not the hitting the ground part of the incident. "I think the ligament damage was caused by just having the bike ripped out of my hands like it was. I mean, I was hit so hard and from behind sort of, that's what did the soft tissue damage to my rotator cuff and labrum."
Hayden said he knew the moment he got up in the gravel trap at Estoril that his shoulder was damaged, but he elected to keep quiet about it. "I did some ultrasound on it, because a day later I could not move it, but by the time I got to Valencia the adrenaline took over. Well, actually, on Friday morning in practice I was like 'This is going to be tough', but then the adrenaline kicked in and I was fine. I forgot about it when I rode after that, honestly. I'm glad I only had to race one race that weekend, though, I can tell you that."
"Then, when we went to Sepang and went testing, and no adrenaline was flowing. Man it was really bad."
"He's a tough guy," Nguyen reiterated. "All these Hayden boys are tough, Tommy and Roger Lee as well."
"This will take a little longer to heal, but I feel I'll regroup and will come back stronger now that it's all fixed," said Hayden.
Doesnt sound like much of a whiner to me
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Nov 1 2008, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well put it this way, he never complained about it when he was winning "only"when he lost".
maybe its just the pain is only there when the bone partial moves or maybe he makes more of it that there actually is ! bit like hayden with his shoulder in 06
I agree his scaphoid had nothing to do with him losing the world championship. The bike problems earlier in the year contributed, as the potential of the bike and rider was obviously greater than what was achieved in several of the races after qatar, but the name of the game is for the team and rider to get the bike right. Even when they improved things he really only got back into any sort of contention because rossi put the bike down at assen, and what chance he had left was pretty well gone after laguna, and realistically completely gone after brno, and I don't think he, ducati or anyone else are blaming his scaphoid for results at those races.
Only he would really know how severe the physical problems presented by his wrist were after brno, but he has not seemed to be notably wimpish about falls or injuries previously, and in his time at ducati has usually been able to replicate his practice performances on race day; I don't see any other obvious explanation for him being consistently very fast in limited laps in practice but more erratic in his race performances post brno, or post misano anyway as misano looked very much like a riding error.
maybe its just the pain is only there when the bone partial moves or maybe he makes more of it that there actually is ! bit like hayden with his shoulder in 06
I agree his scaphoid had nothing to do with him losing the world championship. The bike problems earlier in the year contributed, as the potential of the bike and rider was obviously greater than what was achieved in several of the races after qatar, but the name of the game is for the team and rider to get the bike right. Even when they improved things he really only got back into any sort of contention because rossi put the bike down at assen, and what chance he had left was pretty well gone after laguna, and realistically completely gone after brno, and I don't think he, ducati or anyone else are blaming his scaphoid for results at those races.
Only he would really know how severe the physical problems presented by his wrist were after brno, but he has not seemed to be notably wimpish about falls or injuries previously, and in his time at ducati has usually been able to replicate his practice performances on race day; I don't see any other obvious explanation for him being consistently very fast in limited laps in practice but more erratic in his race performances post brno, or post misano anyway as misano looked very much like a riding error.
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Povol: I said i'll ready the popcorns...
you guys go debate about the past
you guys go debate about the past
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 1 2008, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>POP POP POP,its ready
Nicky's shoulder was not an issue till the next to last race of the year and you nor i knew anything about till after the last race.He raced and won the title in the next race without saying a word to the press about his damaged shoulder,and it was pretty ...... up according to Dr Ting.
From Superbike Planet.
Reigning MotoGP world champion Nick Hayden underwent surgery on his injured shoulder yesterday at Dr. Art Ting's Northern California clinic. Ostensibly, Hayden's surgery was to repair the damage done in his Estoril MotoGP crash—where he was taken out by his teammate, Dani Pedrosa—but the prep for the surgery revealed even more damage than that caused by the Estoril spill.
"I guess what I'd like to say is that Americans should really be proud of Nicky for the performance he put in at Valencia, because, my God, I was just stunned to see how badly his shoulder was damaged and realize that he raced on this and won the world championship," said Ting's Rehab Specialist, Tuan Nguyen today. "We looked at it and thought, my God, look at that gap!"
Ting's clinic services virtually a who's who in the racing world, and has done so for over 15 years. Previous racing clients include Eddie Lawson, Michael Doohan, Miguel DuHamel and many, many others.
"What we found was that Nicky's broken collarbone from 2004 actually never healed," continued Nguyen. "We did an MRI and then looked at it and there was a gap in the old break in his clavicle. The plate was holding it together, but there was a gap between the bones. We also found rotator cuff damage, a labrum tear, and a bone spur on his clavicle."
Hayden had a 45-minute surgery yesterday and expects to be home in Kentucky by the end of the weekend.
Nguyen said it's very uncommon for a plated clavicle not to heal fully. "Not common at all. He never complained. He never said anything about it. He was quiet the whole time."
In the surgery, Hayden's old broken clavicle was fixed, the new damage repaired, the bone spur ground down and all ligament damage fixed. Nguyen and Ting seem hopeful that Hayden will be able to resume testing duties by the end of the month, which coincides with the MotoGP testing ban currently in place.
"A January 21 return to riding is very reasonable," said Nguyen
Hayden said today, "I was hoping that this would be just an in and out, fix the new damage and I'd be good, but I guess that wasn't the case."
Asked how the unhealed broken collarbone felt when muscling around a MotoGP bike for a great length of time, Hayden said, "It never felt great. I really rushed it that year to get back on the bike and I think that probably didn't do anything to help it. I think I was riding ten days later."
Hayden confided that the crash at Estoril wasn't how the muscles in his shoulder were damaged—at least not the hitting the ground part of the incident. "I think the ligament damage was caused by just having the bike ripped out of my hands like it was. I mean, I was hit so hard and from behind sort of, that's what did the soft tissue damage to my rotator cuff and labrum."
Hayden said he knew the moment he got up in the gravel trap at Estoril that his shoulder was damaged, but he elected to keep quiet about it. "I did some ultrasound on it, because a day later I could not move it, but by the time I got to Valencia the adrenaline took over. Well, actually, on Friday morning in practice I was like 'This is going to be tough', but then the adrenaline kicked in and I was fine. I forgot about it when I rode after that, honestly. I'm glad I only had to race one race that weekend, though, I can tell you that."
"Then, when we went to Sepang and went testing, and no adrenaline was flowing. Man it was really bad."
"He's a tough guy," Nguyen reiterated. "All these Hayden boys are tough, Tommy and Roger Lee as well."
"This will take a little longer to heal, but I feel I'll regroup and will come back stronger now that it's all fixed," said Hayden.
Doesnt sound like much of a whiner to me
we got to hear of nicky shoulder just after estoril, to say we didnt hear of it until after valencia is just bollocks but nice try mate
and like stoner he managed to perform so it could not have been tyhat bad unlike gibbers
Nicky's shoulder was not an issue till the next to last race of the year and you nor i knew anything about till after the last race.He raced and won the title in the next race without saying a word to the press about his damaged shoulder,and it was pretty ...... up according to Dr Ting.
From Superbike Planet.
Reigning MotoGP world champion Nick Hayden underwent surgery on his injured shoulder yesterday at Dr. Art Ting's Northern California clinic. Ostensibly, Hayden's surgery was to repair the damage done in his Estoril MotoGP crash—where he was taken out by his teammate, Dani Pedrosa—but the prep for the surgery revealed even more damage than that caused by the Estoril spill.
"I guess what I'd like to say is that Americans should really be proud of Nicky for the performance he put in at Valencia, because, my God, I was just stunned to see how badly his shoulder was damaged and realize that he raced on this and won the world championship," said Ting's Rehab Specialist, Tuan Nguyen today. "We looked at it and thought, my God, look at that gap!"
Ting's clinic services virtually a who's who in the racing world, and has done so for over 15 years. Previous racing clients include Eddie Lawson, Michael Doohan, Miguel DuHamel and many, many others.
"What we found was that Nicky's broken collarbone from 2004 actually never healed," continued Nguyen. "We did an MRI and then looked at it and there was a gap in the old break in his clavicle. The plate was holding it together, but there was a gap between the bones. We also found rotator cuff damage, a labrum tear, and a bone spur on his clavicle."
Hayden had a 45-minute surgery yesterday and expects to be home in Kentucky by the end of the weekend.
Nguyen said it's very uncommon for a plated clavicle not to heal fully. "Not common at all. He never complained. He never said anything about it. He was quiet the whole time."
In the surgery, Hayden's old broken clavicle was fixed, the new damage repaired, the bone spur ground down and all ligament damage fixed. Nguyen and Ting seem hopeful that Hayden will be able to resume testing duties by the end of the month, which coincides with the MotoGP testing ban currently in place.
"A January 21 return to riding is very reasonable," said Nguyen
Hayden said today, "I was hoping that this would be just an in and out, fix the new damage and I'd be good, but I guess that wasn't the case."
Asked how the unhealed broken collarbone felt when muscling around a MotoGP bike for a great length of time, Hayden said, "It never felt great. I really rushed it that year to get back on the bike and I think that probably didn't do anything to help it. I think I was riding ten days later."
Hayden confided that the crash at Estoril wasn't how the muscles in his shoulder were damaged—at least not the hitting the ground part of the incident. "I think the ligament damage was caused by just having the bike ripped out of my hands like it was. I mean, I was hit so hard and from behind sort of, that's what did the soft tissue damage to my rotator cuff and labrum."
Hayden said he knew the moment he got up in the gravel trap at Estoril that his shoulder was damaged, but he elected to keep quiet about it. "I did some ultrasound on it, because a day later I could not move it, but by the time I got to Valencia the adrenaline took over. Well, actually, on Friday morning in practice I was like 'This is going to be tough', but then the adrenaline kicked in and I was fine. I forgot about it when I rode after that, honestly. I'm glad I only had to race one race that weekend, though, I can tell you that."
"Then, when we went to Sepang and went testing, and no adrenaline was flowing. Man it was really bad."
"He's a tough guy," Nguyen reiterated. "All these Hayden boys are tough, Tommy and Roger Lee as well."
"This will take a little longer to heal, but I feel I'll regroup and will come back stronger now that it's all fixed," said Hayden.
Doesnt sound like much of a whiner to me
we got to hear of nicky shoulder just after estoril, to say we didnt hear of it until after valencia is just bollocks but nice try mate
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Nov 1 2008, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree his scaphoid had nothing to do with him losing the world championship. The bike problems earlier in the year contributed, as the potential of the bike and rider was obviously greater than what was achieved in several of the races after qatar, but the name of the game is for the team and rider to get the bike right. Even when they improved things he really only got back into any sort of contention because rossi put the bike down at assen, and what chance he had left was pretty well gone after laguna, and realistically completely gone after brno, and I don't think he, ducati or anyone else are blaming his scaphoid for results at those races.
Only he would really know how severe the physical problems presented by his wrist were after brno, but he has not seemed to be notably wimpish about falls or injuries previously, and in his time at ducati has usually been able to replicate his practice performances on race day; I don't see any other obvious explanation for him being consistently very fast in limited laps in practice but more erratic in his race performances post brno, or post misano anyway as misano looked very much like a riding error.
i agree and to be fair the only people ive heard blame his injury for loosing race's and the championship are some of his fans that post here rather than casey himself
Only he would really know how severe the physical problems presented by his wrist were after brno, but he has not seemed to be notably wimpish about falls or injuries previously, and in his time at ducati has usually been able to replicate his practice performances on race day; I don't see any other obvious explanation for him being consistently very fast in limited laps in practice but more erratic in his race performances post brno, or post misano anyway as misano looked very much like a riding error.
i agree and to be fair the only people ive heard blame his injury for loosing race's and the championship are some of his fans that post here rather than casey himself
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Nov 1 2008, 11:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>we got to hear of nicky shoulder just after estoril, to say we didnt hear of it until after valencia is just bollocks but nice try mate
and like stoner he managed to perform so it could not have been tyhat bad unlike gibbers
Did you now,where did you hear it,his brother,his doctor.I could not find ONE article in a Google search that even remotely mentions Hayden being injured at Estoril or racing injured at valencia.On the other hand,the internet is choke full of article about Hayden not reveiling the injury till after Valencia.Show me where you got this inside info.
Did you now,where did you hear it,his brother,his doctor.I could not find ONE article in a Google search that even remotely mentions Hayden being injured at Estoril or racing injured at valencia.On the other hand,the internet is choke full of article about Hayden not reveiling the injury till after Valencia.Show me where you got this inside info.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 1 2008, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did you now,where did you hear it,his brother,his doctor.I could not find ONE article in a Google search that even remotely mentions Hayden being injured at Estoril or racing injured at valencia.On the other hand,the internet is choke full of article about Hayden not reveiling the injury till after Valencia.Show me where you got this inside info.
eeerm, if you remember we debated it at length during the 06 season, not after the season ! come on old boy, your not quite at the senile age yet,,,are you ?
eeerm, if you remember we debated it at length during the 06 season, not after the season ! come on old boy, your not quite at the senile age yet,,,are you ?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 1 2008, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow,Casey is taking this fake injury to new levels.I cant believe someone would go to that extent to make excuses for losing the title.Come on man,how much pain could you be in,your still winning races.
He was always chasing the Title, he never led the championship once... also he never said anything about his wrist at Phillip Island then it was back to the whining again when he didn't win
He was always chasing the Title, he never led the championship once... also he never said anything about his wrist at Phillip Island then it was back to the whining again when he didn't win
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Nov 1 2008, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He was always chasing the Title, he never led the championship once... also he never said anything about his wrist at Phillip Island then it was back to the whining again when he didn't win
Actually Andrew, Stoner led the Championship at Qatar
Actually Andrew, Stoner led the Championship at Qatar
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Nov 1 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>eeerm, if you remember we debated it at length during the 06 season, not after the season ! come on old boy, your not quite at the senile age yet,,,are you ?
Debated what during the season,there was 1 race left.Your talking out of your ... Rog and not getting off that easy.Show me where we discussed Haydens shoulder injury after the Estoril race.
here is a 3 page thread after the Estoril race titled Can Nicky win,and not one post says anything about an injury.
http://www.powerslide.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=2686.
There are more threads like the Official Race Thread,The Official Practice and Qualifying thread that doesnt mention it either.I may be old but the only thing thats crapped out on me is my knee.I still say SHOW ME and prove me wrong.If you can i will admit im senile,will you if you cant?
Debated what during the season,there was 1 race left.Your talking out of your ... Rog and not getting off that easy.Show me where we discussed Haydens shoulder injury after the Estoril race.
here is a 3 page thread after the Estoril race titled Can Nicky win,and not one post says anything about an injury.
http://www.powerslide.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=2686.
There are more threads like the Official Race Thread,The Official Practice and Qualifying thread that doesnt mention it either.I may be old but the only thing thats crapped out on me is my knee.I still say SHOW ME and prove me wrong.If you can i will admit im senile,will you if you cant?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 2 2008, 03:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Debated what during the season,there was 1 race left.Your talking out of your ... Rog and not getting off that easy.Show me where we discussed Haydens shoulder injury after the Estoril race.
here is a 3 page thread after the Estoril race titled Can Nicky win,and not one post says anything about an injury.
http://www.powerslide.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=2686.
There are more threads like the Official Race Thread,The Official Practice and Qualifying thread that doesnt mention it either.I may be old but the only thing thats crapped out on me is my knee.I still say SHOW ME and prove me wrong.If you can i will admit im senile,will you if you cant?
....... hell povol you sad git
i wish the fish here would take bait as easly as you do
where talking about stoner, i just say he whined like hayden (bait) guess what big fish swims up full speed every time
i cant see where we talked about it in that thread so it must have been in another thread, or are you suggesting we didn't debate it at all ?
here is a 3 page thread after the Estoril race titled Can Nicky win,and not one post says anything about an injury.
http://www.powerslide.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=2686.
There are more threads like the Official Race Thread,The Official Practice and Qualifying thread that doesnt mention it either.I may be old but the only thing thats crapped out on me is my knee.I still say SHOW ME and prove me wrong.If you can i will admit im senile,will you if you cant?
....... hell povol you sad git
i cant see where we talked about it in that thread so it must have been in another thread, or are you suggesting we didn't debate it at all ?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Nov 1 2008, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's a generic picture of a Herbert screw . Small bone wtth a big tiianium(?) fastener. Makes for a good halloween shot. I said "Rossifans be very afraid" because it seems to have gone well. I know he has severl months to go in rehab. I've done physio for an injury. Not fun.Hopefully you are right about his outlook. The report of his surgery suggests less of a problem than I expected from what I had been able to glean previously; it doesn't sound like he has avascular necrosis or that he has destroyed his wrist joint which is what may happen in the long term if the scaphoid is significantly compromised, the scaphoid being very important in the structural integrity/stability of the wrist. Kevin schwantz apparently has a fairly shot wrist joint or wrist joints after scaphoid problems.
I couldn't work out why he needed a bone graft and wondered whether he had avascular necrosis or even whether they were going to perform a fusion because the joint was done in; pseudoarthrosis had not been mentioned previously and bone grafts are apparently commonly used in surgery for this.
It is possible that the loose bodies were the major problem as far as his riding goes as it seems likely the pseudoarthrosis has been there for quite some time.
I couldn't work out why he needed a bone graft and wondered whether he had avascular necrosis or even whether they were going to perform a fusion because the joint was done in; pseudoarthrosis had not been mentioned previously and bone grafts are apparently commonly used in surgery for this.
It is possible that the loose bodies were the major problem as far as his riding goes as it seems likely the pseudoarthrosis has been there for quite some time.
That screw looks fairly solid compared to a staple. Perhaps inserting living bone cell material in the gap between the bones stimulates fusion? Combined with post op treatments like infared/ultrasound flushing fluids through joint may speed up healing. I had a similar treatment on my lower back. Being somewhat of a sceptic I was looking for a real change in condition after these treatments were suggested/performed in a private physio clinic. I wasn't dissappointed the results were dramatic. I'm not a medical person (engineering) so I look at it only from a mechanical perspective. And that is a cool looking screw. I don't want one though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Nov 2 2008, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That screw looks fairly solid compared to a staple. Perhaps inserting living bone cell material in the gap between the bones stimulates fusion?
Sure, that's why they do it, to fill in the gap between the fragments after they have resected the cartilage etc making up the pseudoarthrosis. It makes perfect sense and apparently bone grafting is commonly employed in the situation of pseudoarthrosis of the scaphoid; I am not an orthopaedic surgeon and what I do only touches peripherally on that area, and it had not been clear to me before why they were saying he needed a bone graft.
Sure, that's why they do it, to fill in the gap between the fragments after they have resected the cartilage etc making up the pseudoarthrosis. It makes perfect sense and apparently bone grafting is commonly employed in the situation of pseudoarthrosis of the scaphoid; I am not an orthopaedic surgeon and what I do only touches peripherally on that area, and it had not been clear to me before why they were saying he needed a bone graft.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Nov 2 2008, 08:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>....... hell povol you sad git
i wish the fish here would take bait as easly as you do
where talking about stoner, i just say he whined like hayden (bait) guess what big fish swims up full speed every time
i cant see where we talked about it in that thread so it must have been in another thread, or are you suggesting we didn't debate it at all ?
we got to hear of nicky shoulder just after estoril, to say we didnt hear of it until after valencia is just bollocks but nice try mate.
eeerm, if you remember we debated it at length during the 06 season, not after the season ! come on old boy, your not quite at the senile age yet,,,are you ?
Do the above quotes belong to you?.If so,where in those quotes are you talking about Stoner.You said Nicky was a whiner,i proved you wrong and your crayfishing.You, nor I knew about Nicky's shoulder till after the season was over.Weather or not somebody took your imaginary bait is not the issue.You made a matter of fact statement that you knew about Nickys shoulder after Estoril and i called .........Quit trying to change the subject and show me where that was discussed before Valencia.Like i said,i will admit im senile,will you.?
i cant see where we talked about it in that thread so it must have been in another thread, or are you suggesting we didn't debate it at all ?
we got to hear of nicky shoulder just after estoril, to say we didnt hear of it until after valencia is just bollocks but nice try mate.
eeerm, if you remember we debated it at length during the 06 season, not after the season ! come on old boy, your not quite at the senile age yet,,,are you ?
Do the above quotes belong to you?.If so,where in those quotes are you talking about Stoner.You said Nicky was a whiner,i proved you wrong and your crayfishing.You, nor I knew about Nicky's shoulder till after the season was over.Weather or not somebody took your imaginary bait is not the issue.You made a matter of fact statement that you knew about Nickys shoulder after Estoril and i called .........Quit trying to change the subject and show me where that was discussed before Valencia.Like i said,i will admit im senile,will you.?
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I couldn't find any reference other than "fragments" hanging around in there. Anyone know if they were bone fragments or remnants of the staples?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 3 2008, 12:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>we got to hear of nicky shoulder just after estoril, to say we didnt hear of it until after valencia is just bollocks but nice try mate.
eeerm, if you remember we debated it at length during the 06 season, not after the season ! come on old boy, your not quite at the senile age yet,,,are you ?
Do the above quotes belong to you?.If so,where in those quotes are you talking about Stoner.You said Nicky was a whiner,i proved you wrong and your crayfishing.You, nor I knew about Nicky's shoulder till after the season was over.Weather or not somebody took your imaginary bait is not the issue.You made a matter of fact statement that you knew about Nickys shoulder after Estoril and i called .........Quit trying to change the subject and show me where that was discussed before Valencia.Like i said,i will admit im senile,will you.?
ok help me out. how many page's back was this estoril thread ? you cant expect me to search page by page. as i said we did debate it as you well know because i and some other's said it was ........ which as i remember upset you and jumkie.
eeerm, if you remember we debated it at length during the 06 season, not after the season ! come on old boy, your not quite at the senile age yet,,,are you ?
Do the above quotes belong to you?.If so,where in those quotes are you talking about Stoner.You said Nicky was a whiner,i proved you wrong and your crayfishing.You, nor I knew about Nicky's shoulder till after the season was over.Weather or not somebody took your imaginary bait is not the issue.You made a matter of fact statement that you knew about Nickys shoulder after Estoril and i called .........Quit trying to change the subject and show me where that was discussed before Valencia.Like i said,i will admit im senile,will you.?
ok help me out. how many page's back was this estoril thread ? you cant expect me to search page by page. as i said we did debate it as you well know because i and some other's said it was ........ which as i remember upset you and jumkie.
