Stoner says: It's about the money.

Keshav · Dec 2, 2010

In an interview with M. Oxley - Stoner was uncharacteristically diplomatic re: the many other reasons fans

have assumed were fueling his move to Honda. He did however say that for the sake of his career

he had to make the move regardless of how much he liked working with Ducati.

"Filippo (Preziosi, Ducati's engineering genius) hasn't got the budget to work with to

develop things," Says Stoner. "He has got to to the best job he can once; he hasn't got

the chance to throw five different answers at a problem and see if one works. I believe

that Honda is a company that can give you what you ask for, so it's going to be very

interesting working with them."

On that subject the only other thing he would say was, "Certain things have happened

at Ducati which have made me think, 'OK, it's time to make a business decision. I'm

happy at Ducati, unfortunately some things have happened which have opened my

eyes."

Given that Ducati are not in good shape financially - one can only wonder just how

many lira they will be able to throw at the bike that Rossi is (re)developing.

How much real change can they afford to bankroll?

SprogTheDog · Dec 2, 2010

I always believed (rightly or wrongly) that Ducati will do whatever it takes to help Rossi win on their bike.

Rossi winning on a Ducati is huge for marketing. Thats a no-brainer.

I'm assuming they are willing to make a big investment because of that.

L8Braker · Dec 2, 2010

How much money does Rossi bring to the table for Ducati? Now that they are no longer participating in WSBK they should have more cash to throw at the MotoGP effort.

Jumkie · Dec 2, 2010

SprogTheDog said:
I always believed (rightly or wrongly) that Ducati will do whatever it takes to help Rossi win on their bike.

Rossi winning on a Ducati is huge for marketing. Thats a no-brainer.

I'm assuming they are willing to make a big investment because of that.

Correct!

L8Braker said:
How much money does Rossi bring to the table for Ducati? Now that they are no longer participating in WSBK they should have more cash to throw at the MotoGP effort.

Exactly, I think Stoner should have specified, 'not enough money for HIM.' Ducati have circled the wagons, they withdrew from their bread and butter, the series that put Ducati on the map, WSBK, they also withdrew their support from national series like AMA and Oz. Make no mistake, nothing will be spared. They remind me of the stories I read about from European soccer teams that pay insane amounts of money for certain players while their balance books are in the red. Signing Rossi is the mother of all signings, they know this. This is why they message has been united, 'Ducati must improve....for Rossi the Boss.' This is why I don't doubt he will come up on top, nobody has ever got this much support. That bike will be nothing like what he rode at Valencia.

Casey will eventually realize Honda will not "give him" what he asks for, despite having the money to do so.

povol · Dec 2, 2010

Keshav said:
In an interview with M. Oxley - Stoner was uncharacteristically diplomatic re: the many other reasons fans

have assumed were fueling his move to Honda. He did however say that for the sake of his career

he had to make the move regardless of how much he liked working with Ducati.

"Filippo (Preziosi, Ducati's engineering genius) hasn't got the budget to work with to

develop things," Says Stoner. "He has got to to the best job he can once; he hasn't got

the chance to throw five different answers at a problem and see if one works. I believe

that Honda is a company that can give you what you ask for, so it's going to be very

interesting working with them."

On that subject the only other thing he would say was, "Certain things have happened

at Ducati which have made me think, 'OK, it's time to make a business decision. I'm

happy at Ducati, unfortunately some things have happened which have opened my

eyes."

Given that Ducati are not in good shape financially - one can only wonder just how

many lira they will be able to throw at the bike that Rossi is (re)developing.

How much real change can they afford to bankroll?

That would be my thoughts also, but like Sprog says, he may be bringing enough money with him to subsidize any shortcomings in the Ducati budget. If you believe Ducati's moto, [i dont] that they sale bikes so they can go racing, instead of racing to sale bikes, maybe they can throw huge amounts at the Rossi project since there are no longer stock holders to appease. I do believe that 2011 will be rough year for Ducati and Rossi, I just cant see them sinking 10's of millions of dollars into a one year project.

Jumkie · Dec 2, 2010

povol said:
I just cant see them sinking 10's of millions of dollars into a one year project.

Quite the opposite is my opinion, I see them sinking double triple that; Rossi not winning is NOT an option.

J4rn0 · Dec 2, 2010

Stoner's only fault is that he managed to be so fast with the Ducati, that they thought they had a really great bike that didn't need to be changed much, and that Capirossi was just too old; then that Melandri just needed a shrink.

So they lost valuable time before they realized, towards the end of 2009, that they needed to change things in a radical way. It's not that now they will change "for Rossi" -- they had already realized something needed to be changed. They hired Rossi and Burgess precisely to change the bike -- I do not think anybody, at Ducati, expected Rossi to say the bike was fine as it is.

Money... I do not think Ducati Corse is short of money, they have good sponsors. Being small is not necessarily a big handicap in racing -- we have so many instances of that. Suzuki is a much bigger company than Ducati (even Kawasaki for that matter) but they have not performed better (even discounting the Casey Stoner factor).

povol · Dec 2, 2010

Jumkie said:
Quite the opposite is my opinion, I see them sinking double triple that; Rossi not winning is NOT an option.

Rossi not winning in 2011 will be excusable, 2012 is a different story. I guess is depends on what peoples definition of winning is. If he wins 2-3 races in 2011 and finishes 4th in points, is that winning? Or will it be a disaster if barring injury, he doesnt win it all, or come real close.

Jumkie · Dec 2, 2010

povol said:
Rossi not winning in 2011 will be excusable, 2012 is a different story. I guess is depends on what peoples definition of winning is. If he wins 2-3 races in 2011 and finishes 4th in points, is that winning? Or will it be a disaster if barring injury, he doesnt win it all, or come real close.

Buddy, its been my observation that Rossi not winning it all IS for many a total "disaster".

johnnyvvc · Dec 2, 2010

Ducati & especially their race dept are actually quite financialy well off. Over the past couple of seasons where they have been screwing Stoner & Hayden over by paying them .... & not fully developing the bikes fully or as much as some of the other manufacturer's, they have actually turned a profit rather than losing millions from their net worth as Yamaha has for example.

I recall a report i read (will see if i can find it) that gave a list of sponsors just queing up to get in on the action once it was clear they had Rossi's signiture, plus the fact that it is the sponsors that generally pay his wages not the manufacturer as i understand it, correct me if im wrong here though.

I think everyone would agree that it is not in the script for Rossi not to win on a Ducati, but i think they will have plenty of cash to sink into the bike, the sponsors wil pick up the rest.

At Honda it really depends on how he performs against Pedrosa, if he kicks his arse then they may listen to him thinking that he is their best chance of 1 title in the last season of "THEIR" 800 era after years of nothing. Im pretty sure even the spanish sponsors Repsol would go for that too. If Pedro can hold his own the i think he may struggle to get things his own way.

I just hope for his sake he doesnt go there with the attitude of im the only ex champ here so you WILL listen to me - They commit hari kari & replace his engine with a moto2 lump!

Mental Anarchist · Dec 2, 2010

I think that Ducati will have to build a bike that has significant advantages over the Yamaha and the Honda for him to win in 2011 or 12 as it is not just about Rossi having a bike he can ride. There are 2 or 3 riders on the grid, also on very good bikes, that are coming into the prime of their career and are every bit as fast or faster than Rossi. Hate to say this but if Rossi does win in the next 2 years it will be because of the bike.

dwoodhouse · Dec 2, 2010

johnnyvvc said:
Ducati & especially their race dept are actually quite financialy well off. Over the past couple of seasons where they have been screwing Stoner & Hayden over by paying them .... & not fully developing the bikes fully or as much as some of the other manufacturer's, they have actually turned a profit rather than losing millions from their net worth as Yamaha has for example.

I recall a report i read (will see if i can find it) that gave a list of sponsors just queing up to get in on the action once it was clear they had Rossi's signiture, plus the fact that it is the sponsors that generally pay his wages not the manufacturer as i understand it, correct me if im wrong here though.

I think everyone would agree that it is not in the script for Rossi not to win on a Ducati, but i think they will have plenty of cash to sink into the bike, the sponsors wil pick up the rest.

At Honda it really depends on how he performs against Pedrosa, if he kicks his arse then they may listen to him thinking that he is their best chance of 1 title in the last season of "THEIR" 800 era after years of nothing. Im pretty sure even the spanish sponsors Repsol would go for that too. If Pedro can hold his own the i think he may struggle to get things his own way.

I just hope for his sake he doesnt go there with the attitude of im the only ex champ here so you WILL listen to me - They commit hari kari & replace his engine with a moto2 lump!

If you ask Jumkie, he would probably say that Dorna has promised to assist pay for their development while Rossi is there. He is their big income earner after all.

dwoodhouse · Dec 2, 2010

Mental Anarchist said:
I think that Ducati will have to build a bike that has significant advantages over the Yamaha and the Honda for him to win in 2011 or 12 as it is not just about Rossi having a bike he can ride. There are 2 or 3 riders on the grid, also on very good bikes, that are coming into the prime of their career and are every bit as fast or faster than Rossi. Hate to say this but if Rossi does win in the next 2 years it will be because of the bike.

Ok then, let's just see how that bike goes around the track with Rossi sitting in the pits. It's the package - all the stars have to line up for someone to win a championship these days.

Bunyip · Dec 2, 2010

[quote name='Keshav' date='02 December 2010 - 02:55 PM' timestamp='1291301740' post='261819']

On that subject the only other thing he would say was, "Certain things have happened

at Ducati which have made me think, 'OK, it's time to make a business decision. I'm

happy at Ducati, unfortunately some things have happened which have opened my

eyes."[/b]

I think Casey lost trust with Ducati when he was ill, away for 3 weeks+ and they offered vast sums of money to Lorenzo. It was at that stage he started to assess his options and began the process that led to his move to Honda.

On the issue concerning how big an effort ( or how much money will be spent) by Ducati to improve the 800 for 2011............I am not sure. 2012 is the big change and a lot of development time and money will be spent on that project. How much is left for 2011 improvements? I think they will try as hard as they can without redesigning the whole configuration ( moving away from the engine as a stressed member), but it will not be enough for Rossi to havre a happy 2011. All conjecture.................we will soon see.

Jumkie · Dec 2, 2010

woody996 said:
If you ask Jumkie, he would probably say that Dorna has promised to assist pay for their development while Rossi is there. He is their big income earner after all.

Well buddy, I know I sound crazy when I say it, but look a bit closer at the series of actions that they take sometimes, and you will see a pattern emerge. This was most evident during the Bridgestone debacle. I wouldn't put it past them, but I'll say no, I don't think Dorna is gonna subsidize Ducati's development with money. But Woods, we have a very short memory around here sometimes. Do you remember at one time that Dorna proposed a rev limit? Do you remember who stood to be effected? I'll remind you. It would have been Ducati being punished, and this is while they had Stoner smoking the competition. It was so obvious what their intention was, to slow down Ducati, though at the time they said it was for cost savings. Here is my point, I wouldn't put it beneath Dorna to tweak some rule to have a consequence at Ducati again. But this time perhaps with the opposite effect from the last time they sought to tweak the rules.

Talpa · Dec 2, 2010

Mental Anarchist said:
I think that Ducati will have to build a bike that has significant advantages over the Yamaha and the Honda for him to win in 2011 or 12 as it is not just about Rossi having a bike he can ride. There are 2 or 3 riders on the grid, also on very good bikes, that are coming into the prime of their career and are every bit as fast or faster than Rossi. Hate to say this but if Rossi does win in the next 2 years it will be because of the bike.

OMG.......and you claim to be intellectual?

Exhibit A-above

Extreme Bias and misinformed and/or misinterpreted, purely subjective opinion. Nothing more and not intellectual at all.

Sounds very similar to a certain 'B' word many like to throw around.......

Keshav · Dec 2, 2010

Talpa said:
OMG.......and you claim to be intellectual?

Exhibit A-above

Extreme Bias and misinformed and/or misinterpreted, purely subjective opinion. Nothing more and not intellectual at all.

Sounds very similar to a certain 'B' word many like to throw around.......

OMG - here we were having a chill dialog with folks throwing out ideas, peacefully offering different takes,

and making mildly stimulating conversation. And the barking pit bull comes along and as usual adds nothing to the

mix except for vitriol and insults because he's intellectually bankrupt. Talpa, you got nothin'. Why don't you take

some time off and have yourself an anger management course?

inam22 · Dec 2, 2010

Mental Anarchist said:
I think that Ducati will have to build a bike that has significant advantages over the Yamaha and the Honda for him to win in 2011 or 12 as it is not just about Rossi having a bike he can ride. There are 2 or 3 riders on the grid, also on very good bikes, that are coming into the prime of their career and are every bit as fast or faster than Rossi. Hate to say this but if Rossi does win in the next 2 years it will be because of the bike.

I know its your opinion but i have to say its pretty retarted opinion never the less mate, can i ask you on what facts you have based your opinion on or is it based on Rossi's 2 day testing on Ducati like many others have here now.

BarryMachine · Dec 2, 2010

inam said:
I know its your opinion but i have to say its pretty retarted opinion never the less mate, can i ask you on what facts you have based your opinion on or is it based on Rossi's 2 day testing on Ducati like many others have here now.

Its not just the 2 day testing but the deplorable performance in those tests that is what has got folks.

Jumkie · Dec 2, 2010

Keshav said:
OMG - here we were having a chill dialog with folks throwing out ideas, peacefully offering different takes,

and making mildly stimulating conversation. And the barking pit bull comes along and as usual adds nothing to the

mix except for vitriol and insults because he's intellectually bankrupt. Talpa, you got nothin'. Why don't you take

some time off and have yourself an anger management course?

Kesh, not pit bull, much much smaller. He's lost it man. Talps has now become PS most prolific troll. Hes out done the infamous ones. Self-destruction.

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