Stoner on a Yamaha instead of Honda???

Could Stoner win on an Ilmor? KR212V? WCM circa 2005 with bits of real R1 inside? KR KTM? Cube? MotoCzysz (can't be arsed to google proper spelling, apologies)?

Austin said:

Could Stoner win on an Ilmor? KR212V? WCM circa 2005 with bits of real R1 inside? KR KTM? Cube? MotoCzysz (can't be arsed to google proper spelling, apologies)?

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The short answer, YES.



Why not? If others are entitled to outrageous opinions and head stuck in sand, why can't little o' me?



Btw, since we are at play, who would win if they ALL were on the list of bikes you just rambled off? If the whole grid was on the Ilmor X3 or the KR212V, etc. A spec class, just the riders are different. My money would be on Stoner. Can you argue against him pal?

Austin said:

Could Stoner win on an Ilmor? KR212V? WCM circa 2005 with bits of real R1 inside? KR KTM? Cube? MotoCzysz (can't be arsed to google proper spelling, apologies)?

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If he decided to ....... sadly probably yes

BarryMachine said:

This bit doesn't gel, and I don't understand at all where your logic comes from ?



If Stoner can get on any bike and win, which he appears to be doing ATM, and others can't do that eg. Rossi and his change to Ducati, then surely Stoner is the more "generic rider" and as such one would assume any bike designed to be ridden fast by him should be a fast bike.



Mind you I think all this talk of "best developer" is a load of hoohickey that is just another grab at some leftover cred. for Rossi to ctry and claim some possible cred for even Lorenzo's WC

. Its a ridiculous point to propose that any rider is out there racing and developing a bike so his competitor or even team mate can be as fast as he. Why do all the riders have "their settings" otherwise?



But nonetheless it is looking like Stoner is a better "developer" than Rossi as well. ie when Stoner went to Ducati it suddenly became the fastest bike out there, when Rossi went to Duc. it is apparently now the slowest beast on the grid

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So in agreement here, the notion of the development rider is a little hazy to me. The first thing is having someone to talk to and listen to the rider, like Jeremy Burgess. He is good at it and is without a doubt the keystone to the success of many riders, others are also good. The second part is having a rider with that crew who can ride the bike to its limit so they know what to do at that point to give it an advantage over the other guys who are also trying to ride it to that point. 1/10th per lap is all it takes.



Being a developer is just being part of a good team and being able to ride fast, this is why Rossi has taken his crew with him from manufacturer to manufacturer. The notion of the great development rider just understates the role of his crew. He simply has to be a part of a good team with good communication and understanding of what makes a bike fast.



I would also postulate that any of the top 5 riders at present would have a greater success if they had JB and the team Rossi has available to him.

Jumkie said:

Really, we needed a thread for this? This question could have been asked on any thread already raging, and it would have been buried a long time ago (as it should have been).



Viper, just stick to: BBC and Steve Perish suck. Other than that, just ask you questions on a thread where you think it will fit (which is basically any of them).



....... thread clutter.

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Yep, right, we had all of these threads before, principally what if VR rode the Ducati, Melandri is going to kicks the arse of the world at Ducati, put them (VR and CS) on the same bike and so on and so forth. Racing has too many variables, we will not know unless it happens, then we can perform the post postmortem (I thought that was funny) later.



I think right now Stoner would go better on Rossi's old bike than Rossi is going on Stoner's old bike. But who really knows, he could hate the Yamaha and peddle around at the back of the field. Done to death this is