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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 26 2009, 01:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yuki's 1st lap mistake
He shouldn't have been in the field--previous. Lets put a mid-packer from 250's in MotoGP (the class you claim to have "the best riders in the world"), they will be prone to mistakes because they don't belong there, they haven't developed their racecraft, the mistake is evidence of that--today. Yes, any rider can make a mistake, they usually get a pass by virtue of their record that says they belong there. Can you make a case that Yuki belongs in MotoGP based on his past record? The 'past' part is the judgement, the present part being the mistake, indicates that the previous assessment is correct.
Simple logic, even an aspiring engineer should understand. Chronology, the big hand indicates minutes, the short hand indicates hours. Start there then work your way into understanding past and present events and how they related to eachother.
He shouldn't have been in the field--previous. Lets put a mid-packer from 250's in MotoGP (the class you claim to have "the best riders in the world"), they will be prone to mistakes because they don't belong there, they haven't developed their racecraft, the mistake is evidence of that--today. Yes, any rider can make a mistake, they usually get a pass by virtue of their record that says they belong there. Can you make a case that Yuki belongs in MotoGP based on his past record? The 'past' part is the judgement, the present part being the mistake, indicates that the previous assessment is correct.
Simple logic, even an aspiring engineer should understand. Chronology, the big hand indicates minutes, the short hand indicates hours. Start there then work your way into understanding past and present events and how they related to eachother.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Apr 26 2009, 01:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
Writing .. off after 2 races ??? Great!
Yeah, Rossi is done.
46, Some members are better left to their own fantasy worlds, I mean, its not fun arguing with somebody who has the debate ability of a lettuce. On the other hand, Tom is way more fun, as he has slightly a higher IQ and can, from time to time (with the help of the google machine) come up with some decent ......... My advice, you best give up with this guy.
Writing .. off after 2 races ??? Great!
46, Some members are better left to their own fantasy worlds, I mean, its not fun arguing with somebody who has the debate ability of a lettuce. On the other hand, Tom is way more fun, as he has slightly a higher IQ and can, from time to time (with the help of the google machine) come up with some decent ......... My advice, you best give up with this guy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 26 2009, 09:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He shouldn't have been in the field--previous. Lets put a mid-packer from 250's in MotoGP (the class you claim to have "the best riders in the world"), they will be prone to mistakes because they don't belong there, they haven't developed their racecraft, the mistake is evidence of that--today. Yes, any rider can make a mistake, they usually get a pass by virtue of their record that says they belong there. Can you make a case that Yuki belongs in MotoGP based on his past record? The 'past' part is the judgement, the present part being the mistake, indicates that the previous assessment is correct.
Simple logic, even an aspiring engineer should understand. Chronology, the big hand indicates minutes, the short hand indicates hours. Start there then work your way into understanding past and present events and how they related to eachother.
That he doesn't belong, and that he is more mistake prone than other rookies are both assumptions on your part. If mistakes of this nature become common place then i would understand questioning his racecraft, but Casey had plenty of crashes in his rookie season. Equally, as far as you using 'logic' to make this judgement i suggest you are careful as your very own methods would have you declare Mick Doohan unworthy of being in motogp in 1989.
Simple logic, even an aspiring engineer should understand. Chronology, the big hand indicates minutes, the short hand indicates hours. Start there then work your way into understanding past and present events and how they related to eachother.
That he doesn't belong, and that he is more mistake prone than other rookies are both assumptions on your part. If mistakes of this nature become common place then i would understand questioning his racecraft, but Casey had plenty of crashes in his rookie season. Equally, as far as you using 'logic' to make this judgement i suggest you are careful as your very own methods would have you declare Mick Doohan unworthy of being in motogp in 1989.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 26 2009, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He shouldn't have been in the field--previous. Lets put a mid-packer from 250's in MotoGP (the class you claim to have "the best riders in the world"), they will be prone to mistakes because they don't belong there, they haven't developed their racecraft, the mistake is evidence of that--today. Yes, any rider can make a mistake, they usually get a pass by virtue of their record that says they belong there. Can you make a case that Yuki belongs in MotoGP based on his past record? The 'past' part is the judgement, the present part being the mistake, indicates that the previous assessment is correct.
Simple logic, even an aspiring engineer should understand. Chronology, the big hand indicates minutes, the short hand indicates hours. Start there then work your way into understanding past and present events and how they related to eachother.
He shouldn't have been in the field, true, but I'm not sure that makes him more prone to mistakes than any other rider. He simply can't lap within 2 or 3 seconds of the best in the world but I'm not willing to state that this carries the necessary implication that it makes him more prone to mistakes.
Additionally, I disagree that he hasn't developed his racecraft. He has done many, many, many laps on various bikes, on many different circuits on almost every continent. Sure, he usually wasn't battling for 1st place, but maybe 5th or 6th. But it's stretching the point to say it was his lack or racecraft that took Nicky out.
He made a simple mistake that the likes of Dani Pedrosa et al have all made. Lack of speed does not necessarily imply that a rider will make many mistakes on a motorcycle.
Simple logic, even an aspiring engineer should understand. Chronology, the big hand indicates minutes, the short hand indicates hours. Start there then work your way into understanding past and present events and how they related to eachother.
He shouldn't have been in the field, true, but I'm not sure that makes him more prone to mistakes than any other rider. He simply can't lap within 2 or 3 seconds of the best in the world but I'm not willing to state that this carries the necessary implication that it makes him more prone to mistakes.
Additionally, I disagree that he hasn't developed his racecraft. He has done many, many, many laps on various bikes, on many different circuits on almost every continent. Sure, he usually wasn't battling for 1st place, but maybe 5th or 6th. But it's stretching the point to say it was his lack or racecraft that took Nicky out.
He made a simple mistake that the likes of Dani Pedrosa et al have all made. Lack of speed does not necessarily imply that a rider will make many mistakes on a motorcycle.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 26 2009, 09:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He shouldn't have been in the field--previous. Lets put a mid-packer from 250's in MotoGP (the class you claim to have "the best riders in the world"), they will be prone to mistakes because they don't belong there, they haven't developed their racecraft, the mistake is evidence of that--today. Yes, any rider can make a mistake, they usually get a pass by virtue of their record that says they belong there. Can you make a case that Yuki belongs in MotoGP based on his past record? The 'past' part is the judgement, the present part being the mistake, indicates that the previous assessment is correct.
Ask yourself this if he had taken out Pedrosa would you be arguing so vehemently for Yuki's dismissal from the Premier series?
Probably not...
Ask yourself this if he had taken out Pedrosa would you be arguing so vehemently for Yuki's dismissal from the Premier series?
Probably not...
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Ah ...., all I've been doing is responding but none of my own comments about the race summary. Ok...
Congrats to Lorenzo. He deserves the race and is truly one of the future champs of the sport. He has won me over from his 250 days where I couldn't stand the guy because of his production celebrations. But ok, he deserved the look-at-me moment in planting his Lorenzoland flag (which I rather see instead of his county's flag). He's overcome injury and taken a dose of humble-pie and now he again has tasted victory. Well done!
Rossi, made the race interesting. He is not just an amazing talent, but he has heart. (Or perhaps just the thought of getting beat by Peders was too much to bare and he was willing to risk life & limb to come ahead.
Peders, I'm impressed with a podium considering injuries. The kid has drive, but just not heart. Either way, he deserves a big up for a podium.
Casey, what ever was wrong with his bike was all to blame for not making the podium. Funny how when he wins, the once screams turned subtle cries pointing the the bike usually become silent when its the bike itself that impedes the man. He hung in their beating Dovi.
Dovi, not impressed, he could beat his own injuried teammate?
Melandri, impressive. I will defer my thoughts as the year goes on, but so far, he seems to have his head back on his shoulders. Lets see if that last once the other machines catch up and he starts to stuggle.
Other Notable:
Kalio, great ride, last to 8th. Good job.
Vermulen, remind me why Spies is not on your bike?
Edwards, ok, somebody said they had the wrong mapping on his bike? Can this be confirmed by a link? If so, then that sucks, if not, then WTF.
Taki, should have never been in motogp! But now that he is here, well son, when you make a big ... mistake, have the decency of checking on the injury you just caused. If that guy takes a punch at you, bow your head and then extend you hand. NO CLASS! (What are they teaching these kids now days?)
Hayden, I think the devil and his dark 'angels' (some on this forum) on account of their hate have performed voodoo magic on him. What ...... luck!
Congrats to Lorenzo. He deserves the race and is truly one of the future champs of the sport. He has won me over from his 250 days where I couldn't stand the guy because of his production celebrations. But ok, he deserved the look-at-me moment in planting his Lorenzoland flag (which I rather see instead of his county's flag). He's overcome injury and taken a dose of humble-pie and now he again has tasted victory. Well done!
Rossi, made the race interesting. He is not just an amazing talent, but he has heart. (Or perhaps just the thought of getting beat by Peders was too much to bare and he was willing to risk life & limb to come ahead.
Peders, I'm impressed with a podium considering injuries. The kid has drive, but just not heart. Either way, he deserves a big up for a podium.
Casey, what ever was wrong with his bike was all to blame for not making the podium. Funny how when he wins, the once screams turned subtle cries pointing the the bike usually become silent when its the bike itself that impedes the man. He hung in their beating Dovi.
Dovi, not impressed, he could beat his own injuried teammate?
Melandri, impressive. I will defer my thoughts as the year goes on, but so far, he seems to have his head back on his shoulders. Lets see if that last once the other machines catch up and he starts to stuggle.
Other Notable:
Kalio, great ride, last to 8th. Good job.
Vermulen, remind me why Spies is not on your bike?
Edwards, ok, somebody said they had the wrong mapping on his bike? Can this be confirmed by a link? If so, then that sucks, if not, then WTF.
Taki, should have never been in motogp! But now that he is here, well son, when you make a big ... mistake, have the decency of checking on the injury you just caused. If that guy takes a punch at you, bow your head and then extend you hand. NO CLASS! (What are they teaching these kids now days?)
Hayden, I think the devil and his dark 'angels' (some on this forum) on account of their hate have performed voodoo magic on him. What ...... luck!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Apr 26 2009, 01:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
Writing 8 times World Champion off after 2 races ??? Great!
When did I write him off? As we all know you're only as good as your last race in racing. And right now it seems like others are getting the best of Rossi, not saying he is over and done with by any means.... but the season so far isn't exactly what Rossi had hoped for. Still early in the season I know, but you can't help but feel as though Rossi is just quite not the same. Losing 1st race to your archrival, and now losing 2nd race to your teammate??? Not good in my book.
Writing 8 times World Champion off after 2 races ??? Great!
When did I write him off? As we all know you're only as good as your last race in racing. And right now it seems like others are getting the best of Rossi, not saying he is over and done with by any means.... but the season so far isn't exactly what Rossi had hoped for. Still early in the season I know, but you can't help but feel as though Rossi is just quite not the same. Losing 1st race to your archrival, and now losing 2nd race to your teammate??? Not good in my book.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Apr 26 2009, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When did I write him off? As we all know you're only as good as your last race in racing. And right now it seems like others are getting the best of Rossi, not saying he is over and done with by any means.... but the season so far isn't exactly what Rossi had hoped for. Still early in the season I know, but you can't help but feel as though Rossi is just quite not the same. Losing 1st race to your archrival, and now losing 2nd race to your teammate??? Not good in my book.
QUOTE (Yourself @ Apr 26 2009, 08:18 AM)
I think Valentino Rossi is in big big trouble. ..... this must be a crushing blow on Rossi.
Sorry if I misjudgment your statement
QUOTE (Yourself @ Apr 26 2009, 08:18 AM)
I think Valentino Rossi is in big big trouble. ..... this must be a crushing blow on Rossi.
Sorry if I misjudgment your statement
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 26 2009, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...............
(2:00am, good night everybody)
It's 4 pm here...
have a nice dream Jumkie
(2:00am, good night everybody)
It's 4 pm here...
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You are all stupid.
Last year everyone said that Lorenzo have written off Rossi (after 3 first races). But then ...
This Japanese GP says nothing. Can you say anything if there was only 45 minutes in 1st practice section to prepare for the race. All others sections were washed out or canceled.
You will see Rossi and Stoner go far front in the next races.
Last year everyone said that Lorenzo have written off Rossi (after 3 first races). But then ...
This Japanese GP says nothing. Can you say anything if there was only 45 minutes in 1st practice section to prepare for the race. All others sections were washed out or canceled.
You will see Rossi and Stoner go far front in the next races.
That was a good race. Well done Lorenzo.Biggest surprise would have to be Pedrosa who rode really well.Stoner mentioned he had front brake problems when he returned to the pits.Rossi looked he would run away but we ended up having a race. Takahashi big time rookie mistake, hope Haydens ok. Its tight at the pointy end of the points table roll on Jerez...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nghiemlong @ Apr 26 2009, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>........
Last year everyone said that Lorenzo have written off Rossi (after 3 first races). But then ...
.....................
You will see Rossi and Stoner go far front in the next races.
I didn't say that
Agreed with Rossi and Stoner will go far front in the (most) next races.
Last year everyone said that Lorenzo have written off Rossi (after 3 first races). But then ...
.....................
You will see Rossi and Stoner go far front in the next races.
I didn't say that
Agreed with Rossi and Stoner will go far front in the (most) next races.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nghiemlong @ Apr 26 2009, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You are all stupid.
Last year everyone said that Lorenzo have written off Rossi (after 3 first races). But then ...
This Japanese GP says nothing. Can you say anything if there was only 45 minutes in 1st practice section to prepare for the race. All others sections were washed out or canceled.
You will see Rossi and Stoner go far front in the next races.
Great post mate, welcome to the forum.
Last year everyone said that Lorenzo have written off Rossi (after 3 first races). But then ...
This Japanese GP says nothing. Can you say anything if there was only 45 minutes in 1st practice section to prepare for the race. All others sections were washed out or canceled.
You will see Rossi and Stoner go far front in the next races.
Great post mate, welcome to the forum.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (alex29 @ Apr 26 2009, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Great post mate, welcome to the forum.
Great ride by Melandri and Kallio is cementing his solid form.
What went wrong with Stoner, Vermeulin and Edwards? I,m waiting for post -race comments.
I know we have a few details about CSs brakes and CEs mapping, but there is a lot more to be told.
Jorge has done a great job sneaking up there almost without being noticed. If we have the front 5 competeitive every race ,but closer, it will be a great years racing.
I don,t know why it happens, but it seems tough when an injured rider is hit while still sore from injuries. Pedrosa last week, now Hayden. Poor Nicky is having a horror start to the year.
What went wrong with Stoner, Vermeulin and Edwards? I,m waiting for post -race comments.
I know we have a few details about CSs brakes and CEs mapping, but there is a lot more to be told.
Jorge has done a great job sneaking up there almost without being noticed. If we have the front 5 competeitive every race ,but closer, it will be a great years racing.
I don,t know why it happens, but it seems tough when an injured rider is hit while still sore from injuries. Pedrosa last week, now Hayden. Poor Nicky is having a horror start to the year.
