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Spec Tyres for 08

If you watched the Eurosport coverage of Qualifying, Mamola interviewed Jean-Phillipe (M) and specifically asked him about the "secret meeting" that Dorna was having about the spec tire rule.

He went on record saying that he knew nothing about it and the Dorna had called a meeting (presumably with Bridgestone) with a tire company about a spec tire rule for 2008 and that He (and Michelin) were not invited, etc. etc.

What it looks like is Dorna considering a control tire rule with Bridgestone supplying. Decision is forthcoming. It seems to have come as a complete surprise to Michelin that the rule is being seriously considered and that Michelin might be forced out of the championship.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>Rossi has been quoted as saying he thinks the fans would rather see racing that takes one tire brand's superiority out of the equation.
Why say this now??
Didnt Rossi/Michelin win 5 500cc/motogp world championships together??
Michelin have dominated since the early 90's now they have one bad year [which includes 5 wins] and the answer is Control Tyre. This is ridiculous. So in few year[if a control tyre is introduced] it will probably be the same bunch of riders complaining that the races are boring, there no competition and so on. This is not club racing or SBK,Motogp is about prototype racing. Control Tyre is not the answer...
 
The one thing I don't understand is how could Bridgestone be the front runner for the tire spec.
For years we've watched all the Bridge bikes run with the pack for about half the race and then fall way off.
How many times have we seen the suzuki qualify high but you just knew they would never finish where they started.
Up until this year they havn't made a tire that could last a whole race.
I have no confidence that they can make a superior product to michelin.
One year of marginal success and suddenly they can make a better tire?
It's not about the manufacturer to me, I just don't want to see racing where the whole grid can run hard for half the race and then everyone limp home.
 
Did you guys read the autosport.com article:
Sounds like Michelin may well be on the out.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62632

I just can't believe that the head of HRC would take the opportunity to announce Pedrosa re-signing and the push that Pedrosa and HRC wants for Bridgestone.

This tyre thing is big money and it is getting really really interesting.
Now all of a sudden Rossi is all for one tyre. Something that may never see the light of day is going on. ...

We may never know. It will be a great shame if Motogp goes to one tyre..
I think I may stop watching for a while. It will totally suck. F1, WSBK, motogp all at the mercy of one tyre.

whats the next scandal to rock the sport.
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you never know, a control tire may be a good thing. everybody said it was gonna be a massive fail in WSBK, but now everybody acknowledges it was the right move.
 
I dont see why you guys complain about a spec tyre I mean 125 and 250 are both on spec tyres and they normally provide more close racing than motogp has provided MOST of the time not all but most
 
I'm for it, forget the politics, we want racing that excites & everyone on the same tyre will certainly provide that
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& get rid of tc too... more power to the real riders
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I think people should think for a second that the motorcycle Grand Prix world championship is not supposed to be only about riders, if that was the case they would have a spec bike already.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Sep 23 2007, 07:41 AM) [snapback]92613[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think people should think for a second that the motorcycle Grand Prix world championship is not supposed to be only about riders, if that was the case they would have a spec bike already.
I did think for a second.... once, but my head started hurting so I gave up
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why do you guys care so much if it goes to 1 tire??? are you guys cheering WOW look at those bridgestones go!!! I want close racing and the guy with the best talent shall win. Cant you guys see that any change of weather will automatically let you know that certain riders will struggle just because of the tire brand..

Its so stupid to say..oh its raining lets see....bridgestones will win.. Or oh its really hot...michelins should win.

Honestly who here saw that it was raining and thought michelin had a chance?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(esco @ Sep 23 2007, 09:33 AM) [snapback]92697[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
why do you guys care so much if it goes to 1 tire??? are you guys cheering WOW look at those bridgestones go!!! I want close racing and the guy with the best talent shall win. Cant you guys see that any change of weather will automatically let you know that certain riders will struggle just because of the tire brand..

Its so stupid to say..oh its raining lets see....bridgestones will win.. Or oh its really hot...michelins should win.

Honestly who here saw that it was raining and thought michelin had a chance?


I care because for me Grand Prix racing isn't just about riders, it is about a technology war and watching how riders use their advantages and disadvantages. Many engineers will tell you that tyres are the single most important component on a racing car/bike, if we spec that then a large part of the battle is removed. Maybe you would prefer a one make series with a spec bike as well??
 
There is no doubt that this year would have been much more interesting and exciting if everyone was riding on bridestones. It sux when half of the riders have a good day because of the tyres and then the next week the other half have a good day because of the tyres. The last two races have been a good example of this.

Motegi in the hot dry conditions = Michelins
Motegi in cold wet conditions = Bridgstones
just look at todays race results and count how many michelins in the top ten!
 
I do not like the idea of a single tyre rule and find it nothing more that a knee jerk reaction by a bunch of buffoons.

People can say that were everyone on Bridgestones it would have resulted in closer racing, but this may well not be the case. After all, one only has to look at a number of Bridgestone or Michelin racers this year whereby the tyre wear and results have changed between bike and manufacturer.

The ultimate determining factor for tyre wear is not the manufacturer of the tyre but the overall combination of bike setup and rider style. You could send the same rider out on their #1 bike which was perfectly setup and get one tyre wear result but send them out on #2 bike with a slightly poorer setting and the wear will be different.

Alternately, the riding style is also a determining factor in tyre wear, thus why over the years Rossi's tyres have often been in a better shape than others on the same compound.

I do know the above if poorly explained but the basics are that a control tyre may very well not (and I reckon will not) make the racing closer, instead I would expect similar behaviours to this year.






Garry
 
I think that having a control tyre would be rubbish. The problem is that although everyone would have access to the same tyre it would have probably been developed with a specific rider/machine in mind. For example if Honda were prepared to supply a testing team or thier riders to improve development for the manufacturer the tyres would be developed with that combination in mind. I doubt that there will be equal tyre development from Ducati, Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki and Yamaha. You will end up with the balance of power going back to Honda & Rossi/Yamaha.
Like has been said before, once either Rossi or Honda doesn't win Dorna want to change things. Although there hasn't been the best racing this year, it is a transitional year and I think they need to give it at least 2 more seasons before they think of any more changes.
 
do any of you even watch the 125 and 250 none of what you are saying happens. I mean think about it there must be some sort of logic or idea as to why other world championships have gone to a spec tire
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krazy91 @ Sep 23 2007, 01:04 PM) [snapback]92771[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
do any of you even watch the 125 and 250 none of what you are saying happens. I mean think about it there must be some sort of logic or idea as to why other world championships have gone to a spec tire


yeah but motogp is a prototype class, a control tyre kinda throws that outta the window...


people, get onto the motogp website and in the poll vote NO, you know you want to
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(stop_killing_dead_things @ Sep 23 2007, 01:16 PM) [snapback]92776[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
yeah but motogp is a prototype class, a control tyre kinda throws that outta the window...
people, get onto the motogp website and in the poll vote NO, you know you want to

just done it mate, i voted no
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 23 2007, 01:33 PM) [snapback]92778[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
just done it mate, i voted no


good, just needs another few million to do the same...

i realise im against my favourite rider on this one, but it really is a bad idea. what are Dani and Valentino thinking? its a stupid idea!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(stop_killing_dead_things @ Sep 23 2007, 02:08 PM) [snapback]92788[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
good, just needs another few million to do the same...

i realise im against my favourite rider on this one, but it really is a bad idea. what are Dani and Valentino thinking? its a stupid idea!

when i voted the yes's and no's where pretty even.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 23 2007, 02:31 PM) [snapback]92798[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
when i voted the yes's and no's where pretty even.


same here, then the next time i looked both options had gone up by exactly 100, even that poll is a fix!
 

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