So , they are not worried about ducati then?

for ..... sake, just bring back the 990s

Honda has an engine advantage for a decade, no problem. Ducati has a possible advantage for 1 year, it's not fair? Perhaps the desmo valve system really does have a unique advantage under the 800 formula with a fuel restriction. But as ducati say, they do provide desmo valves on their smaller capacity road bikes. I guess the real humiliation for the japanese would be to be forced to introduce desmo valves on their motogp bikes, thus conceding technical superiority to ducati.

I would have no problem bringing back the 990 formula. Nor would casey stoner.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Feb 22 2008, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>see here at auto sport..

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/65269

wonder why they thought of this then?



After all these years spent following the GP races, this the most ridiculous and biased regulation proposal I can remember. Mama Honda must be desperate if they are behind this. Maybe better they fire their Chief Designer and hire someone who concetrates on how to increase their rpm's

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Feb 22 2008, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>After all these years spent following the GP races, this the most ridiculous and biased regulation proposal I can remember. Mama Honda must be desperate if they are behind this. Maybe better they fire their Chief Designer and hire someone who concetrates on how to increase their rpm's
Apart from anything else, it would likely result in superbikes eventually being more powerful and faster than motogp bikes. Maybe dorna really have been taking lessons from bernie and max.

EDIT Perhaps ducati should not have pushed for what can be perceived to be a technical advantage in superbikes though.

Sorry, double post.

What a ....... piece of ..... ....... Honda cocks want to restrict the revs because their engine is a piece of ... no one wants to ride. They have to spend more and more money redesigning the ugly ....... pig of an engine.

The Japs should back up and let it play out. Pricks.

Ye its a pretty sad state of affairs really, they should be relishing the challenge, not poofing out!

That article distintcly said proposal from YAMAHA and HONDA yet everybody is ,.... Honda.Is Yamaha going to be excluded from your wrath because a certain rider that happens to ride a Yamaha.He was behind the tire deal,for all we know, he might be behind this as well

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>"Well, (we may as well) say that Italian bikes ridden by Australian riders are barred from taking part in MotoGP," Preziosi told Gazzetta dello Sport. "In fact, since in Superbikes we won only with Australians and Britons, I'll add the latter ones too. What a coincidence this limitation is...

HERESY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why don't you go spit on Mr. Polen while you're at it. I'm never buying another Ducati

Okay, it's not that bad, but seriously, what a kick in the nuts to Raymond Roche and Doug Polen (the Frenchman who took Ducati's first WSBK title and the only non-English speaking champion, and the American who won two consecutive years after Roche).

I guess this article settles it once and for all. Why work hard when you can cheat legally? A page right out of Rossi's book.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Feb 22 2008, 07:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That article distintcly said proposal from YAMAHA and HONDA yet everybody is ,.... Honda.Is Yamaha going to be excluded from your wrath because a certain rider that happens to ride a Yamaha.He was behind the tire deal,for all we know, he might be behind this as well
Thanks for pointing this out...I was thinking the same thing.

I'm so glad the Ducati guy reacted the way he did and replied with a in your face sarcastic remark to expose how scandalous and dastardly this proposal is. ...., I would have taken it a step further and said: Why don't we just propose that only Yamaha and Honda bikes are allowed to win titles, preferably with an Italian or Spanish rider. .... why don't we just give them both a title every year, one for the top Honda finisher, and one for the top Yamaha finisher. I wonder how this proposal even made it beyond the smoke filled room it was conceived in? I think this is truly embarrassing. This should be an indication to all of us as to how scheming and deceitful the rules and favoritism in this sport. Its should be amazing that this ridiculous proposal was even entertained by the powers that be much less that it made the press room. Anybody still think some of the Bridgestone controversy had only benevolent motives?

...., and I thought the AMA Suzuki cup was bad. And I here all this NASCAR bashing here because people think its rigged, well what the .... about our favorite sport when we have such outrageous proposals? This is worse than WWF, at least they have the decency of making it common knowledge that their .... is for purely entertainment value as oppose to an authentic contest. We are getting ......! The previous titles are now in question!


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Feb 22 2008, 08:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. Why don't you go spit on Mr. Polen while you're at it. I'm never buying another Ducati

Okay, it's not that bad, but seriously, what a kick in the nuts to Raymond Roche and Doug Polen (the Frenchman who took Ducati's first WSBK title and the only non-English speaking champion, and the American who won two consecutive years after Roche).




2. I guess this article settles it once and for all. Why work hard when you can cheat legally? A page right out of Rossi's book.
Dude, that was not the point of his statement (to dis previous non-Aussie/non-Brit champs). But your second point was the point.


Speaking of working hard to better your product, oh and to add to this, lets not forget these ...... where about strong-arm Bridgestone out in favor of Michelin (control tire threat) if they didn't cower down and accept another certain rider. Uhm, makes you wonder doesn't it? Imagine the .... that goes un-noticed but makes a major effect on the championship?

Quite ridiculous.

Yamaha, and Honda are getting lazy? I've already thought it since how long it took em use air valves, and Honda still can't get it right. GP is looking more and more bleak. Good thing this forum is branching out. Hello WSB, great now I'll need to get cable to watch the races

It is like Winning the WC was put out to Tender and Honda and Yamaha won the tender to challenge between them for the win. Ducati was not invited to tender and because they came in the back door and won all stops must be pulled to allow the tender winners their rightful fight for the win with out interference.

For years the bias has been locked away behind closed doors and only the most open minded spectator could see what was happening. Now the bias is out there for the whole world to see. some choose not to see it because they support the tender winners. I fear that MotoGP is about to enter a phase where they loose their spectator and sponsor base and go into a decline for a period. Especially with WSBK looking so competitive with a field of 28 riders many of who have every chance of winning and the money to do it with sponsorship not a problem. And the best thing is they race on bikes that a based on what you and I can buy for 1/3 of the average wage!

rev limiter lol whos crazy idea is this? , other manufacturers just have to step up a gear and get with the program, motogp is about enginering just as much as being about the rider and now they want that taken away with a limiter?, if say yamaha and honda etc cant keep up tough .... they need to work harder, dam they will be asking for a sofa, a bar and sky tv in the padocks next lazy fuckers
prototype machines and they want limiters?? they are turning motogp into a joke

if ducati made a good engine then hats off to them for being so good in the design and engineering department, riders and mechanics is all that is needed all this electronic crap is just a waste of time and just causing problems, throw them all in a cardboard box and burn them.

wow by the time we get to 2010 they wont even have a throttle just a stop and go button..........

I don't think this idea is particularly justifiable, and it will almost certainly be dismissed emmidiately. I also find it ironic that Ducati have released such a sarcastic reply given their history in WSBK, well funny!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Traverser @ Feb 22 2008, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yamaha, and Honda are getting lazy? I've already thought it since how long it took em use air valves, and Honda still can't get it right. GP is looking more and more bleak. Good thing this forum is branching out. Hello WSB, great now I'll need to get cable to watch the races
lazy or counting the pennys ?
because of the way the desmo system works it eliminates valve bounce ( spring surge ) and i believe ducati patented the design so no one else can use it. now i have know doubt the pneumatic system could be made to give a rev ceiling similar to the desmo engine.
honda and yamaha have probably worked out how much money it will cost them to compete at this level in the short amount of time so like any business have looked to a cheaper faster way i.e get the rules changed. ducati have also pursued this option in wsb and would do the same in motogp if the shoe was on the other foot... its just responsible business practice.

I agree that a reg's change at this point is just plain silly. Equally silly however (and I am sorry that I have to point this out) is to blame one rider for EVERYTHING and anything the manufactuer is doing or trying to do. By this reasoning Hayden is just as much to blame for Honda wanting the regs as Rossi since he was world champ in 2006 and this would increase his chances of becoming one again.

Please let's stop rider bashing when it's something this offical. When we are all playing around (i.e. Pedrosa's height and all those really cool Rossi photoshop pics) it's all well and good but after a certain point it's just offensive, mean, and makes one question your arguements.

Let's hope that this regs change is one more 'sugestion' that gets ignored...that's my hope anyway.

Why don't Honda and Yamaha just forget all the market driven rider hiring and go out and hire an Australian rider of their own!!??

One thing is for sure ...... Honda and Yamaha are doing there very best to help Ducati with their marketting as well.

I can't believe such a statement was ever made by a Honda or Yam. rep.!!! ..... I could believe it was "good spin" by the Ducati PR department