So Rossi Starts Off the Mind Games

I dont think mind games can be discounted entirely, but I will speculate that among the top guys they have learned how to filter out the b.s. I think the real master at mind games is Troy Bayliss. This is not a Bayliss "bash" but a praise. He goes out during testing and absolutely smokes the rest of the field. I think it is his way of marking his trerritory and saying "ok boys who is racing for second place because number one is spoken for". Rossi takes calculated risks when they are needed. he is not wildly pushing his luck "willy-nilly. His many accomplishments cannot be denied by even the most rabid Rossi-hater. I must also add that even though I am not a Hayden fan, he is the legitemate World Champion. I think someone other than Rossi winning will be good for the series. That is until Rossi wins it back in 2007. Just my two cents.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ptk50 @ Jan 24 2007, 06:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Valentino LOST IT.
Well I see that Rossi’s good lap times have energized the cult following on this site. Hey, why don’t you guys wait till the season starts and the man actually wins a race before you all start engaging in your circle jerk and start jerking each other off. I realize many of you, (only to who this applies to), are chomping at the bit, but before you start talking about mind games and who it will work on, you may want to get your own mind checked out, perhaps a psychiatric evaluation may be in order right about now.

What an excellent post ptk50 (it must have taken you all your brain cells to come up with this brilliant one), I see you finally admit that Rossi is a looser. (Your words and logic “Valentino LOST IT”). Though I would never sink so low as to admit it like you have. So Hayden didn’t win the championship? Uhm, you may want to talk about that with MotoGP, apparently according to you they are mistaken. But I wouldn’t be so hard on poor Valentino, after-all it was a lot of pressure on him at Valencia with the points lead an all to keep his bike upright. Hey I wonder if Hayden's poise at Valencia was a "mind game" on Rossi that caused the poor guy to dump his bike? (You see how stupid that sounds..."Mind Games"? Please, the only mind game may be in your head, in my humble opinion.

(don't take it to heart ptk, I was just having alittle fun with you, since you decided to have alittle fun on your computer too)


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alex @ Jan 24 2007, 07:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I said that they would work on him

“I said that they would work on him” This is your dazzling reply to my question? Hey look mom, I can type...Enough said.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (antfan @ Jan 24 2007, 06:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Still awaiting Jumkies biased rantings defending the farmboy.
Still wondering why I’ve read some useless ranting about ant farm.


(all Mr. West did was not finish in the top ten)
Touché


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jan 25 2007, 06:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Exactly, the guy has total class when racing, one mistake doesn't make you anything else.
Sounds like: rational-lies

Hey Pete, you must be loving this, more mindless cheerleaders to add to your Rossi cult. Congrats man, you get more playmates in the schoolyard.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Trigga @ Jan 25 2007, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he wont be gettin into anybody head but HAYDEN(thrives off emotion)
Hey Trigga,

Your right, Hayden does show much emotion, but one of which is poise, bearing, and self-assurance. As you may have noticed after your “favorite race” that he showed these characteristics in Valencia were he was crowned champion. Or did you not notice these emotions? If there was a test this year about mental strength it was upon Hayden when Pedrosa kamikazed him, then proceeded to gather himself and win the championship. I wonder what would have been your reaction at that moment???…or do you not have emotions like somebody I know that crashed in Portugal?


(hey, I just wasted my 600th post on you guys)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 26 2007, 02:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well I see that Rossi’s good lap times have energized the cult following on this site. Hey, why don’t you guys wait till the season starts and the man actually wins a race before you all start engaging in your circle jerk and start jerking each other off. I realize many of you, (only to who this applies to), are chomping at the bit, but before you start talking about mind games and who it will work on, you may want to get your own mind checked out, perhaps a psychiatric evaluation may be in order right about now.

What an excellent post ptk50 (it must have taken you all your brain cells to come up with this brilliant one), I see you finally admit that Rossi is a looser. (Your words and logic “Valentino LOST IT”). Though I would never sink so low as to admit it like you have. So Hayden didn’t win the championship? Uhm, you may want to talk about that with MotoGP, apparently according to you they are mistaken. But I wouldn’t be so hard on poor Valentino, after-all it was a lot of pressure on him at Valencia with the points lead an all to keep his bike upright. Hey I wonder if Hayden's poise at Valencia was a "mind game" on Rossi that caused the poor guy to dump his bike? (You see how stupid that sounds..."Mind Games"? Please, the only mind game may be in your head, in my humble opinion.
Absolutely!
You must have had a hot date Jumkie, I was expecting you back sooner, chainsaw and all! But you're obviously in a good mood!
Mind games? What mind games? Valentino is always bloody quick, the question in our minds now is can he regain the consistency of previous years. If there were any mind games creeping in, surely Nicky is the one man who can claim to have successfully repelled them.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Jan 25 2007, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If there were any mind games creeping in, surely Nicky is the one man who can claim to have successfully repelled them.
No doubt.

Speaking of hot dates...so how did yours go? I didn't get to give you my suggestion, but it seems you had enough with rog, locks, and pete etal. (the matchmakers of this site)

Was she hot? or do you wish it was you who had a case of mild and acute blindness?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 26 2007, 02:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Was she hot? or do you wish it was you who had a case of mild and acute blindness?
Well, she was alright!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Jan 25 2007, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well, she was alright!

Hahaha, I'll take that as she was a dog. Don't do it man, you deserve better.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rossifan @ Jan 26 2007, 11:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think you misunderstood me,what i meant was that rossi always goes for the win even when he doesnt need to,whereas max is a perfectionist.either win or crash trying.

See I disagree that Rossi will "Always" go for the win. I won't deny he's one of the most talented, determined riders in history, but, I think you might be giving him accolades he dosen't deserve. He wins a lot of races, but I wouldn't say he "Always goes for the win" Riders who do that end up in the gravel more often than he does. I think all riders will go for the win if they judge the risks and decide thay're capable of it, smart ones won't if they think they can't do it. It just so happens that, more often than not, Rossi is in a position to push for the win. It's not always, but it's a lot of the time. Stoner is a guy who I would say always goes for the win, and look where it gets him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jan 26 2007, 08:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>See I disagree that Rossi will "Always" go for the win. I won't deny he's one of the most talented, determined riders in history, but, I think you might be giving him accolades he dosen't deserve. He wins a lot of races, but I wouldn't say he "Always goes for the win" Riders who do that end up in the gravel more often than he does. I think all riders will go for the win if they judge the risks and decide thay're capable of it, smart ones won't if they think they can't do it. It just so happens that, more often than not, Rossi is in a position to push for the win. It's not always, but it's a lot of the time. Stoner is a guy who I would say always goes for the win, and look where it gets him.
To be honest I think you're right here Richo. If a rider constantly pushed for the lead/win then more often than not they would fall down into the gravel trap or retire in most races. It's one thing pushing for the win with 7 laps to go from P2 and getting it, but its another thing pushing your hardest from when the lights turn green and when you qualify in say P10, even Rossi wouldn't be able to keep his bike upright or on the track in these circumstances. Rossi is a very smart rider as he knows how long is left in each race and he knows when to push and when not to push. We have seen Rossi retire a few times or make mistakes due to constantly pushing too hard, aswell with other riders.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 26 2007, 02:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Games"? Please, the only mind game may be in your head, in my humble opinion.
i dont think your opinion could ever be concidered as humble.
so you you honestly believe that asimo and farmboy have the strength to tell honda what to do to develope the bike there way ?
think farmboy wouldnt have had those "clutch problems" for so long if he did.
think this was a big part in rossi leaving the big H because they always new better than the bloke who actualy rides the bloody bike.
i think honda may struggle this year because of there attitude, sure they can build a fast race bike but can they find a rider to ride it to its full popentual, when the rider had no real say in its development.
i found it very strange and arrogant when honda unvailed there 800 but wouldnt tell the riders anything about it,not even the engine config
i dont think rossi will need mind games next season,i also recon this time next year you will be saying "hayden didnt loose the title honda did "it will probably not show untill about halfway through the season tho as there all on new under developed bikes

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 26 2007, 02:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your right, Hayden does show much emotion, but one of which is poise, bearing, and self-assurance.
what like the show of un proffesionalizim in estoril,shouting and screeming because he lost his temper. what did rossi do when he was taken out by tony. he stayed proffesional.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 26 2007, 02:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>“I said that they would work on him” This is your dazzling reply to my question? Hey look mom, I can type...Enough said
Don't be harsh now...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jan 26 2007, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>what like the show of un proffesionalizim in estoril,shouting and screeming because he lost his temper. what did rossi do when he was taken out by tony. he stayed proffesional.

I think you will find that the first thing Nicky did was run to his bike an see if it was rideable. Compare this to Rossi in Jerez, after he got up he stood in the track and wasted a few seconds (maybe vital points) waving his arms down the track at Toni before he even thought to get his bike. I think Haydens procedure was much more proffesional.

I also think its unfair to critisize Nicky for his anger after the incident. I think he did very well not to take it out on anyone, nor did he even try to engage Dani. I think most people would be pretty upset at that point considering what was at stake.

As for mind games, I think Hayden is amongst the most imune to Rossi's effortds, especially now he actully believes he can beat him. I'd also expect them not to work on Pedrosa, he is a very strong character, and Rossi's games take place mostly in the media, something which Dani seems to have no concern for, unlike Sete and Max (Rossi's greatest victims)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 26 2007, 02:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hahaha, I'll take that as she was a dog. Don't do it man, you deserve better.
Well put it this way, she reckoned she looked like Cheryl Baker out of 80's pop band Bucks Fizz. I reckon she looked more like Tom Baker out of Dr. Who!
Nice girl tho'!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jan 26 2007, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>what like the show of unprofessionalism in Estoril, shouting and screaming because he lost his temper. what did Rossi do when he was taken out by Tony. he stayed professional.
Unprofessionalism? Oh come on Roger, that's a bit harsh. Unprofessionalism would have been 'lumping' Pedrosa there and then, but this was a display of passion. If Nicky had behaved unprofessionally, then the team would have pulled him to one side and had a word with him about it. Do you think that happened?

Talking of being professional, Laguna Seca 2006. Valentino's bike is failing, smoke pouring from the exhaust. I'm watching from turn 2 and Valentino checks, and checks again, and is aware of the problem. However, he does another whole lap of Laguna in this condition before the bike finally fails completely at turn 2 next time around. Now, what do we make of that? I myself thought that was a bit naughty, a bit risky, the thought of laying fluid down at Laguna is not a pleasant one. He had come past the pit entry at least once, his experience must have told him the bike would eventually fail. However, there were only a few laps left, and maybe he could salvage a point or two, after all, it might have made the difference!
Now I'm not condemning. His continuing was understandable given the circumstance. But if we're going to talk professionalism then lets hit the nail right flush on the head. Unprofessionalism has negative consequences. Nicky in the gravel trap showing such passion was actually what really endeared me to him. It was a massively private moment, in a massively public place. The fact he ran to over to jump onto an obviously wrecked Honda, rather than running to jump on an obviously wrecked Pedrosa, is a credit to his professionalism.
There seems to be a lot of condemning type words banded around here,........unprofessional, lucky, false, failed, etc etc. I don't get it, even the guy at the back gets my respect, big or small, gay or not gay!!!!!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Jan 26 2007, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Unprofessionalism? Oh come on Roger, that's a bit harsh. Unprofessionalism would have been 'lumping' Pedrosa there and then, but this was a display of passion. If Nicky had behaved unprofessionally, then the team would have pulled him to one side and had a word with him about it. Do you think that happened?

Talking of being professional, Laguna Seca 2006. Valentino's bike is failing, smoke pouring from the exhaust. I'm watching from turn 2 and Valentino checks, and checks again, and is aware of the problem. However, he does another whole lap of Laguna in this condition before the bike finally fails completely at turn 2 next time around. Now, what do we make of that? I myself thought that was a bit naughty, a bit risky, the thought of laying fluid down at Laguna is not a pleasant one. He had come past the pit entry at least once, his experience must have told him the bike would eventually fail. However, there were only a few laps left, and maybe he could salvage a point or two, after all, it might have made the difference!
Now I'm not condemning. His continuing was understandable given the circumstance. But if we're going to talk professionalism then lets hit the nail right flush on the head. Unprofessionalism has negative consequences. Nicky in the gravel trap showing such passion was actually what really endeared me to him. It was a massively private moment, in a massively public place. The fact he ran to over to jump onto an obviously wrecked Honda, rather than running to jump on an obviously wrecked Pedrosa, is a credit to his professionalism.
There seems to be a lot of condemning type words banded around here,........unprofessional, lucky, false, failed, etc etc. I don't get it, even the guy at the back gets my respect, big or small, gay or not gay!!!!!!!
ok point taken,mabe im a tad harsh but at the time i felt nickys responce was OTT. but to quote jumkie again (Your right, Hayden does show much emotion, but one of which is poise, bearing, and self-assurance.) i think is looking at the guy with rose tinted glasses. yes nicky is pashionate and yes he blew his top ,and i think he would have belted asimo if he were nearer,but be be honest thats not what pissed me off about the bloke,its was his "dani has one chance to put this right " statment, hardly Your poise, bearing, and self-assurance. is it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jan 26 2007, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ok point taken,mabe im a tad harsh but at the time i felt nickys responce was OTT. but to quote jumkie again (Your right, Hayden does show much emotion, but one of which is poise, bearing, and self-assurance.
)`
Yeah, maybe Jumkie (for once) is off the mark there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Jan 26 2007, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> Yeah, maybe Jumkie (for once) is off the mark there.
i had to edit sorry mate ,cat jumped on the keyboard and posted before i had finished ranting
and "tom baker" now thats harsh mate

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Jan 26 2007, 08:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well put it this way, she reckoned she looked like Cheryl Baker out of 80's pop band Bucks Fizz. I reckon she looked more like Tom Baker out of Dr. Who!
Nice girl tho'!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jan 26 2007, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and "tom baker" now thats harsh mate
Yeah, sorry about that,......a lack of professionalism.
A man should not blame the equipment, he should just get on and ride the damn thing!!!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jan 26 2007, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ok point taken,mabe im a tad harsh but at the time i felt nickys responce was OTT. but to quote jumkie again (Your right, Hayden does show much emotion, but one of which is poise, bearing, and self-assurance.) i think is looking at the guy with rose tinted glasses. yes nicky is pashionate and yes he blew his top ,and i think he would have belted asimo if he were nearer,but be be honest thats not what pissed me off about the bloke,its was his "dani has one chance to put this right " statment, hardly Your poise, bearing, and self-assurance. is it.

Point made Roger, its a riders championship, Its up to riders to win, not to rely on others, then it becomes F1. If you get to the front, clear off and win, then you dont have to worry about what your team mate it up to.

Thats the point I keep making but it gets interperated as "I hate Nicky, Rossi is the Almighty, Nicky had no right to win, Rossi deserved to be champ" and various other interperatations.

But then what do I know, I only follow Rossi blindly, I actually hate MotoGP, but I love Vale so much I follow it....

Some of the above statements may be tongue in cheek.....

Some may not be.......

Pete




<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jan 26 2007, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Point made Roger, its a riders championship, Its up to riders to win, not to rely on others, then it becomes F1. If you get to the front, clear off and win, then you dont have to worry about what your team mate it up to.

Thats the point I keep making but it gets interperated as "I hate Nicky, Rossi is the Almighty, Nicky had no right to win, Rossi deserved to be champ" and various other interperatations.

But then what do I know, I only follow Rossi blindly, I actually hate MotoGP, but I love Vale so much I follow it....

Some of the above statements may be tongue in cheek.....

Some may not be.......

Pete


There may or may not be subliminal messages in the above post as well.

dog si issor

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jan 26 2007, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Point made Roger, its a riders championship, Its up to riders to win, not to rely on others, then it becomes F1. If you get to the front, clear off and win, then you dont have to worry about what your team mate it up to.
Exactly! So who had the most supportive team mate last year, Valentino or Nicky? Remember the developmental work that goes on behind the scenes, the experience of Colin Edwards, and the undoubted advantage that brings to Yamaha and Valentino. Was Nicky not on his own to some extent, developing the new machine, as well as withstanding competetive pressure from his team mate throughout the season. To ask for support considering the consequences of such a horrendous mistake, hardly makes him Michael Schumacher, especially as Dani was now out of contention. Forget what Nicky asked for, what do you think Honda asked Dani to do? Did Colin not beat Nicky all season?