So Rossi Starts Off the Mind Games

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Jan 24 2007, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> Oh dear oh dear oh dear, you wait 'til Jumkie awakens from his lair!!!!
i can hear the chainsaw firin up now!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 23 2007, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh yeah, so you disagree that mind games would work on Hayden. Why?
I said that they would work on him lol.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ptk50 @ Jan 24 2007, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well if we still want to talk about "mind-games" - I really like Rossi's latest - lapping on the final day about 3/4 of a second faster than Dani and almost 1 sec faster than Nicky H. And by the way for anyone who followed 2006 season - there can be no doubt Nicky H DID NOT "WIN" the World-Championship, Valentino LOST IT. Amongst other things Nicky owes Sete a HUGH THANK-YOU for taking out Loris the other real contender. we saw how well Nicky has himself (and his nerves) under control when he and Dani crashed out. Anyway enough of 2006 - let's see Valentino ride 2007 without technical DNF's - the rest - result Championship will take care of itself


Does it really seem in your little Rossi world that when he doesn't win, nobody even deserves credit for beating him? Using your logic i could tell you that Rossi has never "won" a championship in his life, hes just been there wile Max Biaggi (for example) lost 5 in a row.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ptk50 @ Jan 24 2007, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well if we still want to talk about "mind-games" - I really like Rossi's latest - lapping on the final day about 3/4 of a second faster than Dani and almost 1 sec faster than Nicky H. And by the way for anyone who followed 2006 season - there can be no doubt Nicky H DID NOT "WIN" the World-Championship, Valentino LOST IT. Amongst other things Nicky owes Sete a HUGH THANK-YOU for taking out Loris the other real contender. we saw how well Nicky has himself (and his nerves) under control when he and Dani crashed out. Anyway enough of 2006 - let's see Valentino ride 2007 without technical DNF's - the rest - result Championship will take care of itself


Here we go again!!!




I'm keeping myself out,

This topic is set to come alive!! ...will be red hot soon..

Jumkie?....Alert!!

DELETE TOPIC TIME!!

FROSTY!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Does it really seem in your little Rossi world that when he doesn't win, nobody even deserves credit for beating him? Using your logic i could tell you that Rossi has never "won" a championship in his life, hes just been there wile Max Biaggi (for example) lost 5 in a row.
everyone is entitled to an opinion man, chill. BTW from what i've seen max is like rossi a risk taker,no wander he crahsed so many times when racing aganst rossi for the title. whereas nicky plays it safe,he said it himself. but i still reckon 2007 season is gonna be interesting.

yea i agree, Biaggi's crashes were not at all surprising, i really only used him as an example. As for 07 season, i am half expecting it to be more exciting than 06 was, but the other half of me is expecting a repeat of the 2005 dominance.

Rossi's simultaion race lap times (second day sepang practice)

2.04.574 - 2.03.652 - 2.03.256 - 2.03.493 - 2.02.788 - 2.02.938 - 2.02.997 - 2.02.970 - 2.02.654 - 2.02.753 - 2.02.799 - 2.02.619 - 2.02.796 - 2.02.942 - 2.02.861 - 2.02.970 - 2.03.058 - 2.03.339 - 2.03.130 - 2.02.875

Still awaiting Jumkies biased rantings defending the farmboy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rossifan @ Jan 25 2007, 02:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>from what i've seen max is like rossi a risk taker,no wander he crahsed so many times when racing aganst rossi for the title. whereas nicky plays it safe,he said it himself. but i still reckon 2007 season is gonna be interesting.

I gotta disagree with all this Schwantz-like "win or crash trying" imagery people are putting on Rossi. I think it might be an excuse for crashing out of the last, most important race. From what I've seen, Rossi is one of the smartest racers ever to grace the MotoGP circuit. I belive the types who take risks to take wins are the types who push at their limit and pass it sometimes, like Schwantz and Stoner (except Stoner hasn't won anything in MotoGP ) Rossi, on the other hand, says himself he rarely pushes at 100%. The fact that he has won so many races is more a testament to his natural ablilty, to be able to win races without going 110% than a result of a "ride with yer balls" attitude. Because if he did ride like that, he'd crash a lot more often, regardless of how talented he is. Revvin Kevin is proof that riding with balls not brains dosen't win championships, even if it does make you a Legend. Rossi would not be where he was if it wasn't for his cool-headed racing. He's not this wild, win it or bin it guy, he just had a bad day at Valencia. My 2 cents, anyway.

^^ i agree richo,couldnt have said it better

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jan 25 2007, 08:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I gotta disagree with all this Schwantz-like "win or crash trying" imagery people are putting on Rossi. I think it might be an excuse for crashing out of the last, most important race. From what I've seen, Rossi is one of the smartest racers ever to grace the MotoGP circuit. I belive the types who take risks to take wins are the types who push at their limit and pass it sometimes, like Schwantz and Stoner (except Stoner hasn't won anything in MotoGP ) Rossi, on the other hand, says himself he rarely pushes at 100%. The fact that he has won so many races is more a testament to his natural ablilty, to be able to win races without going 110% than a result of a "ride with yer balls" attitude. Because if he did ride like that, he'd crash a lot more often, regardless of how talented he is. Revvin Kevin is proof that riding with balls not brains dosen't win championships, even if it does make you a Legend. Rossi would not be where he was if it wasn't for his cool-headed racing. He's not this wild, win it or bin it guy, he just had a bad day at Valencia. My 2 cents, anyway.


Exactly, the guy has total class when racing, one mistake doesn't make you anything else.

You do realise you will get a character assasination for this though!

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jan 24 2007, 09:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>pull yer head out man.....jezzz.


Na Na - you're smart - so you SURELY don't see it anyother way



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 24 2007, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Does it really seem in your little Rossi world that when he doesn't win, nobody even deserves credit for beating him? Using your logic i could tell you that Rossi has never "won" a championship in his life, hes just been there wile Max Biaggi (for example) lost 5 in a row.


Skip the "logic" - add-up the first places Rossi has brought home - that's how he won his Championship titles. Hoe many times has he finished off the podium for his own mistakes - not bein taken out or technical DNF's. Rossi like every other real champion is a Risk-Taker - thast's part of how he wins - His risks just aren't as crazy as some other riders'.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (antfan @ Jan 24 2007, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Still awaiting Jumkies biased rantings defending the farmboy.


Na - Jumkie's smart - even if he roots for farmboy - everyone is allowed to be opinionated - Nicky is a good racer, just not one of the (very) best - that should get it going strong

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (antfan @ Jan 24 2007, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Still awaiting Jumkies biased rantings defending the farmboy.
kinda like yours about west aeee.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ptk50 @ Jan 25 2007, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Skip the "logic" - add-up the first places Rossi has brought home - that's how he won his Championship titles. Hoe many times has he finished off the podium for his own mistakes - not bein taken out or technical DNF's. Rossi like every other real champion is a Risk-Taker - thast's part of how he wins - His risks just aren't as crazy as some other riders'.

This is true, winning championships is all about risk taking. In 2006 for example Hayden's risk assesment was clearly superior to Rossi's, and the trophy agrees.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 25 2007, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is true, winning championships is all about risk taking. In 2006 for example Hayden's risk assesment was clearly superior to Rossi's, and the trophy agrees.
no denying fact's!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 25 2007, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is true, winning championships is all about risk taking. In 2006 for example Hayden's risk assesment was clearly superior to Rossi's, and the trophy agrees.

Rossi is a risk-taker, BUT like he said it himself “You risk-a only when you have to risk-a, for sure”… He rides rough (check out his overtaking maneuvers). He is fast (800cc 20 laps race simulation in Sepang’s testing under race lap times from 990cc, not only fast on qualifying rubber to end up first). He keeps his head and he makes few mistakes (sometimes-big ones thought like Valencia closing 06). He develops the bikes, tries new parts and understands the direction for all those tests to take (both back in Honda and now in Yamaha).

To comeback from a 51-point deficit in 5 races he needed to take risks, so I don’t think Hayden’s 2006 risk assessment was greater than Rossi’s, Hayden was more consistent and Rossi had some bad luck. Nevertheless, it all means 101 points against 42 in those same 5 races, 59 points that left him leading by 8. However, no one can keep up that rhythm forever, and that was the sixth race, Valencia, two big mistakes from Rossi. sht happens! It meant the Championship, but so did crashes for some riders. So that is the way it was. What we can analyze are numbers and results, and the conditions riders obtained those numbers and results. 2007 is going to be interesting.

On the original question, MIND GAMES. its all media buzz..... its winter testing they got nothing else to go on.Just makes for good conversation. But i do agree with others here,that he wont be gettin into anybody head but HAYDEN(thrives off emotion) and some of the second yr riders.It that only really worked on MAX and SETE.TONI ElIAS proved that last yr. at ESTROIL(my fav.race of the yr.) maybe not exactly ROSSI MIND GAMES in the tradition way.But proved a point that riders mite not be as intimated as yrs. prior.Having lost the title he mite have lost some of his mystic on the track.Having riders not so much not fear him but be more willing to challenge him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Jan 24 2007, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> Oh dear oh dear oh dear, you wait 'til Jumkie awakens from his lair!!!!
He's gonna get ya, and he's gonna get ugly on ya!


You mean he's not that ugly ALL the time? or does he get even uglier? Scary thought, there are youngsters on here.....

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I gotta disagree with all this Schwantz-like "win or crash trying" imagery people are putting on Rossi. I think it might be an excuse for crashing out of the last, most important race. From what I've seen, Rossi is one of the smartest racers ever to grace the MotoGP circuit. I belive the types who take risks to take wins are the types who push at their limit and pass it sometimes, like Schwantz and Stoner (except Stoner hasn't won anything in MotoGP ) Rossi, on the other hand, says himself he rarely pushes at 100%. The fact that he has won so many races is more a testament to his natural ablilty, to be able to win races without going 110% than a result of a "ride with yer balls" attitude. Because if he did ride like that, he'd crash a lot more often, regardless of how talented he is. Revvin Kevin is proof that riding with balls not brains dosen't win championships, even if it does make you a Legend. Rossi would not be where he was if it wasn't for his cool-headed racing. He's not this wild, win it or bin it guy, he just had a bad day at Valencia. My 2 cents, anyway.

i think you misunderstood me,what i meant was that rossi always goes for the win even when he doesnt need to,whereas max is a perfectionist.either win or crash trying.