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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Feb 4 2007, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You are totally right, a lot of tracks have not change… that is why I “compared riders with track knowledge from lower categories” in this questioning (And included Pedrobot). Hayden did not have this advantage on track knowledge (Proof is Laguna). But then again I also wanted to point out with those statistics… “Full Factory support Rides” which was a disadvantage for Rossi compared to them in his Rookie year. Imagine Rossi on his Rookie year with all that Pedrosa has had from HRC to back him up, “If” does not exist, I can only imagine!
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Although Rossi wasn't in the factory Repsol team i think you would find that he had the main development input. That bike was designed around him and his demands (with help from JB of course) and his bike probably got new parts before Criville or Ukawas did.

If it was an advantage or a disadvantage for hayden to come in as Rossis team mate is debatable, but you know that it was gonna be pretty hard for him to shine above him, but he managed it anyway.

I think i have stuck my foot in my mouth a few times in this thread. SO let me clear things up. I think that Rossis smaller catagory world titles are no easy thing, especially not the 250 crown. I consider them to be a big deal. But i was trying to show that Rossi arrived in the premier class with 4 years track, paddock, culture and setup experience. Hayden has only had those four years now.

I used the example of Doohan to show how many riders take their time to find their feet. And i feel things are similar for Hayden, i think he will be strong (and maybe stronger) in years to come.

All i was really saying is that i don't think its entirely reasonable to count him out or think less of him for not storming into the class like Biaggi/Rossi/Pedrosa did.

Sorry about the trouble i have had comunicating my thoughts.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 4 2007, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Although Rossi wasn't in the factory Repsol team i think you would find that he had the main development input. That bike was designed around him and his demands (with help from JB of course) and his bike probably got new parts before Criville or Ukawas did.

If it was an advantage or a disadvantage for hayden to come in as Rossis team mate is debatable, but you know that it was gonna be pretty hard for him to shine above him, but he managed it anyway.

I think i have stuck my foot in my mouth a few times in this thread. SO let me clear things up. I think that Rossis smaller catagory world titles are no easy thing, especially not the 250 crown. I consider them to be a big deal. But i was trying to show that Rossi arrived in the premier class with 4 years track, paddock, culture and setup experience. Hayden has only had those four years now.

I used the example of Doohan to show how many riders take their time to find their feet. And i feel things are similar for Hayden, i think he will be strong (and maybe stronger) in years to come.

All i was really saying is that i don't think its entirely reasonable to count him out or think less of him for not storming into the class like Biaggi/Rossi/Pedrosa did.

Sorry about the trouble i have had comunicating my thoughts.
you have caused no trouble mate just encouraged further debate which it what keeps a thread alive.
i realise i slightly misunderstood your comment but because of that the thread took yet another new direction, its all good banter and debate,
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no long now lads and las's and we will have a new season to keep us busy.
all the best rog
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 4 2007, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Although Rossi wasn't in the factory Repsol team i think you would find that he had the main development input. That bike was designed around him and his demands (with help from JB of course) and his bike probably got new parts before Criville or Ukawas did.

If it was an advantage or a disadvantage for hayden to come in as Rossis team mate is debatable, but you know that it was gonna be pretty hard for him to shine above him, but he managed it anyway.

I think i have stuck my foot in my mouth a few times in this thread. SO let me clear things up. I think that Rossis smaller catagory world titles are no easy thing, especially not the 250 crown. I consider them to be a big deal. But i was trying to show that Rossi arrived in the premier class with 4 years track, paddock, culture and setup experience. Hayden has only had those four years now.

I used the example of Doohan to show how many riders take their time to find their feet. And i feel things are similar for Hayden, i think he will be strong (and maybe stronger) in years to come.

All i was really saying is that i don't think its entirely reasonable to count him out or think less of him for not storming into the class like Biaggi/Rossi/Pedrosa did.

Sorry about the trouble i have had comunicating my thoughts.

No worries Tom. In fact I king of stick to stats & numbers sometimes, cause trying to get a point from an opinion on words can easily be misunderstood. And there we agree, “Track knowledge is an advantage” no doubt, although there are like a billion circumstances that influence riders performance.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 4 2007, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no long now lads and las's and we will have a new season to keep us busy.
can't be soon enough!!!!!
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