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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Apr 11 2009, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>told you so
Spoken like the .... you are.
Spoken like the .... you are.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Apr 13 2009, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As Lilly Allen says... "Not in a million years"...
Yeah, a Lily Allen quote is always useful.
Yeah, a Lily Allen quote is always useful.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (27_2007 @ Apr 14 2009, 08:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. Casey Stoner Ducati 42:36.587
11. Marco Melandri Ducati + 44.284
1. Casey Stoner Ducati 42m53.984s
12. Nicky Hayden Ducati + 48.883s
not a good sign for hayden. he is slower than melandri last year. and casey certainly paced himself for at least last few laps.
not fair to compare casey to hayden. that is true.
but u can compare kallio to hayden. a noobie, first year in motogp should not be able to beat a guy who has been around for the last 6 years in motogp who should now be in his PRIME
. that is what is most worrying aspect
oh and not to mention a 36 year old guy who has been retired for 2 years.
oh and they are not even on factory machinary
11. Marco Melandri Ducati + 44.284
1. Casey Stoner Ducati 42m53.984s
12. Nicky Hayden Ducati + 48.883s
not a good sign for hayden. he is slower than melandri last year. and casey certainly paced himself for at least last few laps.
not fair to compare casey to hayden. that is true.
but u can compare kallio to hayden. a noobie, first year in motogp should not be able to beat a guy who has been around for the last 6 years in motogp who should now be in his PRIME
. that is what is most worrying aspect
oh and not to mention a 36 year old guy who has been retired for 2 years.
oh and they are not even on factory machinary
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Based on some of what you people are saying, will the same apply to Lewis Hamilton at McLaren? Yes, the bike of Ducati is superior to the rest of the field, while the McLaren is not, but both are WC's. Both have wins. Both have had rough starts to the season.
It's one ....... race! Would you fire Sir Ferguson after a few losses at ManU? No! They are proven people. Nicky will finish the year with Ducati and will more than likely be on the bike again for 2010.
It's one ....... race! Would you fire Sir Ferguson after a few losses at ManU? No! They are proven people. Nicky will finish the year with Ducati and will more than likely be on the bike again for 2010.
haha comparing lewis hamilton to hayden... your grapsing at straw there buddy...
lewis has actually won many many races over the past 2 years. lewis is still faster than his teammate. lewis despite having a much slower car than the rest of the field, due to his race craft is still able to finish within the top 5.
end of day hayden is an average rider. 3rd tier at best.
he should be in superbikes, race against the likes of toseland where he would be half competitive
lewis has actually won many many races over the past 2 years. lewis is still faster than his teammate. lewis despite having a much slower car than the rest of the field, due to his race craft is still able to finish within the top 5.
end of day hayden is an average rider. 3rd tier at best.
he should be in superbikes, race against the likes of toseland where he would be half competitive
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Apr 13 2009, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>haha comparing lewis hamilton to hayden... your grapsing at straw there buddy...
lewis has actually won many many races over the past 2 years. lewis is still faster than his teammate. lewis despite having a much slower car than the rest of the field, due to his race craft is still able to finish within the top 5.
end of day hayden is an average rider. 3rd tier at best.
he should be in superbikes, race against the likes of toseland where he would be half competitive
Comparing results from the Australian GP is grasping at straws. When only half the field finishes. A street circuit. It is not a proper circuit to compares results.
How is Hayden a third ti.... what the .... is a third tier rider? What the .... is a 1st tier rider? A 2nd tier rider? ......., Hayden is the not a Rossi, a Casey Stoner. That is obvious. Even Nicky will say that. But you need to remember, Nicky is the number two on a team, again. He is on a bike, like the Honda, that was built to one rider. The rest are just field fillers. Glorified test positions.
lewis has actually won many many races over the past 2 years. lewis is still faster than his teammate. lewis despite having a much slower car than the rest of the field, due to his race craft is still able to finish within the top 5.
end of day hayden is an average rider. 3rd tier at best.
he should be in superbikes, race against the likes of toseland where he would be half competitive
Comparing results from the Australian GP is grasping at straws. When only half the field finishes. A street circuit. It is not a proper circuit to compares results.
How is Hayden a third ti.... what the .... is a third tier rider? What the .... is a 1st tier rider? A 2nd tier rider? ......., Hayden is the not a Rossi, a Casey Stoner. That is obvious. Even Nicky will say that. But you need to remember, Nicky is the number two on a team, again. He is on a bike, like the Honda, that was built to one rider. The rest are just field fillers. Glorified test positions.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Apr 13 2009, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Based on some of what you people are saying, will the same apply to Lewis Hamilton at McLaren? Yes, the bike of Ducati is superior to the rest of the field, while the McLaren is not, but both are WC's. Both have wins. Both have had rough starts to the season.
It's one ....... race! Would you fire Sir Ferguson after a few losses at ManU? No! They are proven people. Nicky will finish the year with Ducati and will more than likely be on the bike again for 2010.
I have no problems with the sentiment being that it is seriously way to early to make any firm decision or (IMO) to form an opinion of whether Hayden should stay or go.
But, as for the Ducatie being 'superior to the rest of the field' that is a misnomer. Yamaha won constructors in 2008 and 3 of the top 4 were Yamaha in Qatar which to me would illustrate that teh Yamaha is the better bike (which by the way, helps your argument
).
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It's one ....... race! Would you fire Sir Ferguson after a few losses at ManU? No! They are proven people. Nicky will finish the year with Ducati and will more than likely be on the bike again for 2010.
I have no problems with the sentiment being that it is seriously way to early to make any firm decision or (IMO) to form an opinion of whether Hayden should stay or go.
But, as for the Ducatie being 'superior to the rest of the field' that is a misnomer. Yamaha won constructors in 2008 and 3 of the top 4 were Yamaha in Qatar which to me would illustrate that teh Yamaha is the better bike (which by the way, helps your argument
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Obviously its way to early to say but I thought that as soon as it was announced that Hayden was off to Ducati that he would just be another Melandri on the bike. Like Marco he is a talented rider who's annoyance with Honda has gotten the better of them and I think they both now realise that the grass certainly isn't any greener at Ducati.
That Duke is a bike that either makes you look better than you are (Stoner) or makes you look alot worse than you are (Melandri/Hayden). So personally I think by the end of the season Hayden will be gone, but he could easily prove me wrong.
That Duke is a bike that either makes you look better than you are (Stoner) or makes you look alot worse than you are (Melandri/Hayden). So personally I think by the end of the season Hayden will be gone, but he could easily prove me wrong.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Apr 14 2009, 12:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Obviously its way to early to say but I thought that as soon as it was announced that Hayden was off to Ducati that he would just be another Melandri on the bike. Like Marco he is a talented rider who's annoyance with Honda has gotten the better of them and I think they both now realise that the grass certainly isn't any greener at Ducati.
That Duke is a bike that either makes you look better than you are (Stoner) or makes you look alot worse than you are (Melandri/Hayden). So personally I think by the end of the season Hayden will be gone, but he could easily prove me wrong.
ive been posting about the duke for a while now and i think it is the most capable bike on the grid but only if the rider gels with it and the setup is spot on.
its a go or no go at all bike.
just like some races last season when stoner did have a good feel because they couldnt get it setup to his liking.
but when all said and done its stoner and his crew who make the difference.
the yam and other bikes seem alot easier to work with but they dont match ducati's performance from a machine point of view.
That Duke is a bike that either makes you look better than you are (Stoner) or makes you look alot worse than you are (Melandri/Hayden). So personally I think by the end of the season Hayden will be gone, but he could easily prove me wrong.
ive been posting about the duke for a while now and i think it is the most capable bike on the grid but only if the rider gels with it and the setup is spot on.
its a go or no go at all bike.
just like some races last season when stoner did have a good feel because they couldnt get it setup to his liking.
but when all said and done its stoner and his crew who make the difference.
the yam and other bikes seem alot easier to work with but they dont match ducati's performance from a machine point of view.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Apr 13 2009, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Obviously its way to early to say but I thought that as soon as it was announced that Hayden was off to Ducati that he would just be another Melandri on the bike. Like Marco he is a talented rider who's annoyance with Honda has gotten the better of them and I think they both now realise that the grass certainly isn't any greener at Ducati.
That Duke is a bike that either makes you look better than you are (Stoner) or makes you look alot worse than you are (Melandri/Hayden). So personally I think by the end of the season Hayden will be gone, but he could easily prove me wrong.
Or maybe Stoner makes the Ducati looks better than it is?
That Duke is a bike that either makes you look better than you are (Stoner) or makes you look alot worse than you are (Melandri/Hayden). So personally I think by the end of the season Hayden will be gone, but he could easily prove me wrong.
Or maybe Stoner makes the Ducati looks better than it is?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Helix @ Apr 14 2009, 12:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Or maybe Stoner makes the Ducati looks better than it is?
or maybe the package makes them both look good eh?
or maybe the package makes them both look good eh?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Apr 14 2009, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ive been posting about the duke for a while now and i think it is the most capable bike on the grid but only if the rider gels with it and the setup is spot on.
its a go or no go at all bike.
just like some races last season when stoner did have a good feel because they couldnt get it setup to his liking.
but when all said and done its stoner and his crew who make the difference.
the yam and other bikes seem alot easier to work with but they dont match ducati's performance from a machine point of view.
see last year when the ducati was bucking and weaving. the yamaha is by far the smoothest bike out there. stoner can just ride the snot out of it. just like how he rose the .... out of the lcr machine just to be half competitve
its a go or no go at all bike.
just like some races last season when stoner did have a good feel because they couldnt get it setup to his liking.
but when all said and done its stoner and his crew who make the difference.
the yam and other bikes seem alot easier to work with but they dont match ducati's performance from a machine point of view.
see last year when the ducati was bucking and weaving. the yamaha is by far the smoothest bike out there. stoner can just ride the snot out of it. just like how he rose the .... out of the lcr machine just to be half competitve
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Apr 14 2009, 12:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>see last year when the ducati was bucking and weaving. the yamaha is by far the smoothest bike out there. stoner can just ride the snot out of it.
yes thats what im saying ..... the yam is smooth but the ducati is just raw and yes stoner does ride the hell out of it.... anyway wtf am i doing agreing with you
yes thats what im saying ..... the yam is smooth but the ducati is just raw and yes stoner does ride the hell out of it.... anyway wtf am i doing agreing with you
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Apr 14 2009, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Comparing results from the Australian GP is grasping at straws. When only half the field finishes. A street circuit. It is not a proper circuit to compares results.
How is Hayden a third ti.... what the .... is a third tier rider? What the .... is a 1st tier rider? A 2nd tier rider? ......., Hayden is the not a Rossi, a Casey Stoner. That is obvious. Even Nicky will say that. But you need to remember, Nicky is the number two on a team, again. He is on a bike, like the Honda, that was built to one rider. The rest are just field fillers. Glorified test positions.
1st tier riders are riders who have a chance of actually winning races on a consistant basis
rossi. stoner, horhey and dani
2nd tier
riders who can fight for podiums on a consistant basis
edit: i include Randy here, i rate him realy highly if only he can get off the LCR and onto a decent mchine
loris, divo, edwards, vermueluen, deangelis
3rd tier
no hope of getting a podium - the rest of the riders
How is Hayden a third ti.... what the .... is a third tier rider? What the .... is a 1st tier rider? A 2nd tier rider? ......., Hayden is the not a Rossi, a Casey Stoner. That is obvious. Even Nicky will say that. But you need to remember, Nicky is the number two on a team, again. He is on a bike, like the Honda, that was built to one rider. The rest are just field fillers. Glorified test positions.
1st tier riders are riders who have a chance of actually winning races on a consistant basis
rossi. stoner, horhey and dani
2nd tier
riders who can fight for podiums on a consistant basis
edit: i include Randy here, i rate him realy highly if only he can get off the LCR and onto a decent mchine
loris, divo, edwards, vermueluen, deangelis
3rd tier
no hope of getting a podium - the rest of the riders
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Apr 14 2009, 08:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i would like to see stoner go on the yamaha and rossi go on the ducati... i dont think there is any gaurantee rossi would be fast on the ducati.... but pretty sure stoner would be fast on the yamaha.
you may be right, but it would have been incredibly great if you can provide evidences for your argument because, you see, as far as i know vale had been from one team to another even before he came to MotoGP and time and again he proved that he can be fast on any bike. Stoner, on the other hand (and this is not discrediting him), switched from LCR Honda to Ducati and proved that he was fast. So if you think about it, Vale has the better record of the two.
but like I said, you may be right. you just have to prove to us you're right.
you may be right, but it would have been incredibly great if you can provide evidences for your argument because, you see, as far as i know vale had been from one team to another even before he came to MotoGP and time and again he proved that he can be fast on any bike. Stoner, on the other hand (and this is not discrediting him), switched from LCR Honda to Ducati and proved that he was fast. So if you think about it, Vale has the better record of the two.
but like I said, you may be right. you just have to prove to us you're right.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Apr 14 2009, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you may be right, but it would have been incredibly great if you can provide evidences for your argument because, you see, as far as i know vale had been from one team to another even before he came to MotoGP and time and again he proved that he can be fast on any bike. Stoner, on the other hand (and this is not discrediting him), switched from LCR Honda to Ducati and proved that he was fast. So if you think about it, Vale has the better record of the two.
but like I said, you may be right. you just have to prove to us you're right.
i meant as the bike stand right now. if they swaped biked for the remainder of this season.
obviosly after a season or two, rossi being the #1 guy would have the bike developed to suit his needs and then the argument of which is the better bike would be irrelevant
but like I said, you may be right. you just have to prove to us you're right.
i meant as the bike stand right now. if they swaped biked for the remainder of this season.
obviosly after a season or two, rossi being the #1 guy would have the bike developed to suit his needs and then the argument of which is the better bike would be irrelevant
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Apr 13 2009, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I stand corrected....so my suggestion on the answer is Mugello....
However, this site is the Hayden appreciation and stalkers society then probably never...
No your right that there is a time for this very talk, but not after the first race. I would think mid-season you can start to really see if he has made the grade or just can't hack it. Give him some slack he just came off of the midget squad and now has to unlearn and learn then relearn some things. He has about a grand total of 1 week with the most seemingly difficult machine. Let's see if the guy can do it. It would be nice for someone else in the mix up front.
However, this site is the Hayden appreciation and stalkers society then probably never...
No your right that there is a time for this very talk, but not after the first race. I would think mid-season you can start to really see if he has made the grade or just can't hack it. Give him some slack he just came off of the midget squad and now has to unlearn and learn then relearn some things. He has about a grand total of 1 week with the most seemingly difficult machine. Let's see if the guy can do it. It would be nice for someone else in the mix up front.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Apr 14 2009, 08:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i meant as the bike stand right now. if they swaped biked for the remainder of this season.
obviosly after a season or two, rossi being the #1 guy would have the bike developed to suit his needs and then the argument of which is the better bike would be irrelevant
so lemme get this straight, you're saying that there's no guarantee that rossi would be fast on the Duc since, well, i dunno, it's built around Stoner? and that stoner is pretty sure to be fast on the Yam because of it's great package that obviously 3/4 riders on it are doing well. Coz that's how it came across to me.
obviosly after a season or two, rossi being the #1 guy would have the bike developed to suit his needs and then the argument of which is the better bike would be irrelevant
so lemme get this straight, you're saying that there's no guarantee that rossi would be fast on the Duc since, well, i dunno, it's built around Stoner? and that stoner is pretty sure to be fast on the Yam because of it's great package that obviously 3/4 riders on it are doing well. Coz that's how it came across to me.
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