Should Ducati sack Hayden?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Apr 12 2009, 05:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pulling wings off flies?? hahaha...funny stuff.

I don't like Hayden.... but that is just me, and I guess other people don't either. Yeah he seems like a 'cool' guy, but again as I've said before, he is like someone who could very will be your next door neighbor, but this is racing,....and as far as racing goes I just don't think this guy can compete with some of the elite riders in MotoGP. That is just my opinoin, not saying he's not a good rider.....just not fast enough. Just because one slides his rear tires around and put on a display doesn't mean it equates to fast lap times. I do like him because he goes balls out each time he is on track.... but still, where are the results?

Maybe a world title in MotoGP can be considered a good result? Even if you think he lucked out a bit on that one, still he won it and nobody can take that away from him

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Apr 13 2009, 09:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Maybe a world title in MotoGP can be considered a good result? Even if you think he lucked out a bit on that one, still he won it and nobody can take that away from him


i think Hayden has put in ome decent lap times in testing so far, as everyone knows it's not an easy bike to ride, especially as it has been developed for caseys wild riding style. i dont expect to see Hayden on the podium any time soon, i think his goal is to beat the other ducatis, not stoner.

last year i think we all (us Rossi fans) realised stoner wasnt just a flash in the pan, the little Aussie is a seriously fast rider and he has certainly earnt my respect. i don't think hayden is as good a rider as Rossi, stoner, lorenzo, pedrosa or melandri, but when things go right for him and he finds a good setting he will be in the top 5, i just dont expect hime to get a podium because the competition is too much for him. i think everyone will struggle to knock, rossi, stoner, lorenzo and pedrosa off the podium all season (vermulean in the wet maybe)

i just hope lorenzo and pedrosa close the gap to rossi and stoner soon, so we get some 4 way battles!

i kinda wandered off topic there, but why would ducati sack hayden? i dont think anyone else wants to ride that ducati and be second fiddle to stoner. would be good to see Ben spies have a go-that would be really interesting! they want an American

This post has got far more answers than it deserves.

The answer to the initial question is "Feck off back under your stone Pinky."

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Apr 13 2009, 09:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am sure they wouldn't deliberately give the second factory rider a dud bike but them not having enough resources to develop the bikes equally as the season progresses seems a possibility and developing the bike in a direction that suits stoner seems very likely. This is not sefishness on stoner's part as some suggest; their aim is to beat rossi and having 5 ducatis which are ersatz yamahas would seem unlikely to achieve this given that the other blokes on the actual yamahas can't do it. I am also sure that yamaha would not hesitate to change their bike to benefit rossi just because as a consequence lorenzo was hindered.

Its clear everything they are doing to the bike is from Stoner and they know the bike doesn't suit anyone else.

I just hate people saying/thinking Melandri and Hayden are crap and should retire.... theres much more to this than meets the eye.

Rossi/Yamaha they have made a bike with Rossi's input but its still a podium bike for anyone.

I don't know if thats down to Rossi or the fact that Yamaha listen to all their riders properly.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Apr 13 2009, 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This post has got far more answers than it deserves.

The answer to the initial question is "Feck off back under your stone Pinky."

Pete
Yes Pete... but the salient question is "Should Ducati sack Hayden?" No matter what my heart thinks it is a valid question... Ducati gave him a shot... how long do they now wait?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Apr 13 2009, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes Pete... but the salient question is "Should Ducati sack Hayden?" No matter what my heart thinks it is a valid question... Ducati gave him a shot... how long do they now wait?

The question can be legitimate after Mugello....is my suggestion

Question is valid anytime... But when is it appropriate to answer honestly?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Apr 13 2009, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Question is valid anytime... But when is it appropriate to answer honestly?
I stand corrected....so my suggestion on the answer is Mugello....

However, this site is the Hayden appreciation and stalkers society then probably never...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Apr 13 2009, 09:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I stand corrected....so my suggestion on the answer is Mugello....

However, this site is the Hayden appreciation and stalkers society then probably never...

Speaking of stalking, it seems whenever Hayden is not doing well your post count qaudruples and when he is doing well it diminishes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Apr 13 2009, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Speaking of stalking, it seems whenever Hayden is not doing well your post count qaudruples and when he is doing well it diminishes.

I'm touched you noticed....

Considering the season is starting you should see more posts from me over the coming months....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Apr 13 2009, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I stand corrected....so my suggestion on the answer is Mugello....

However, this site is the Hayden appreciation and stalkers society then probably never...
Honestly, what's the point of answering anything more negatively decisive than "not yet" at that point? Even if Hayden's doing poorly at that point, it's not like Ducati would have much in the way of alternatives. It's not like world-class GP riders grow on trees.

In comparing Melandri's try with Ducati, Suppo is being rather closed lip about Hayden's progress and what the team is doing/not doing for him. I don't recall melandri having the same technical difficulties as Hayden. The bike is already hard enough to ride as it is, then you through in clutch, sensor, engine, TC issues and you might start asking yourself WTF is going on. Hayden obviously is not on the sharp end, but with that being said, what's going on with his bike. Either he is the most unlucky rider out there, or he is spitting out a bunch of excuses that he could be riding around. Considering he's had to change bikes countless amount of times, one must wonder if it might be his team dropping the ball.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Apr 13 2009, 11:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Honestly, what's the point of answering anything more negatively decisive than "not yet" at that point? Even if Hayden's doing poorly at that point, it's not like Ducati would have much in the way of alternatives. It's not like world-class GP riders grow on trees.
We're not talkin' about reality here, ya know?

regaurdless of how nicky does during the course of the season he'll be at ducati till his contract is up at the end of the season. he has time to improve. i give him till rd7 in assen to start to show progress & start getting some decent results & in this situation hes in i'd say finishing in the top 8 on a regular basis with some top 5 finishes scattered in there would be acceptable... to me anyways.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Apr 13 2009, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>regaurdless of how nicky does during the course of the season he'll be at ducati till his contract is up at the end of the season. he has time to improve. i give him till rd7 in assen to start to show progress & start getting some decent results & in this situation hes in i'd say finishing in the top 8 on a regular basis with some top 5 finishes scattered in there would be acceptable... to me anyways.

I predicted Mugello because Canepa and Gibernau have lots of miles on the Ducati there, so if Nicky is going to show he is a Ducati rider then he has to beat both of them at 'their' track....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Apr 13 2009, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I predicted Mugello because Canepa and Gibernau have lots of miles on the Ducati there, so if Nicky is going to show he is a Ducati rider then he has to beat both of them at 'their' track....
hayden is in a shitpot of trouble no less the fact that he is slow at comming to grips with new stuff & now has a hell of alot less time to sort things out. assen is a good track for him so if hes gonna show i figure it'll be at assen. be nice if he can get it together for mugello... it's not a bad track for him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Apr 13 2009, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hayden is in a shitpot of trouble no less the fact that he is slow at comming to grips with new stuff & now has a hell of alot less time to sort things out. assen is a good track for him so if hes gonna show i figure it'll be at assen. be nice if he can get it together for mugello... it's not a bad track for him.

If it takes him until Assen then he's screwed for Laguna and so Ducati will sign a new rider by the time Donny rolls round.....

He has to be not only top 10 to 5 by Mugello, but second Ducati at worst case...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Apr 13 2009, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hayden is in a shitpot of trouble no less the fact that he is slow at comming to grips with new stuff & now has a hell of alot less time to sort things out. assen is a good track for him so if hes gonna show i figure it'll be at assen. be nice if he can get it together for mugello... it's not a bad track for him.
Agree. He also likes Sachsenring, loves Phillip Island and goes quit well at Valencia. Add in Laguna, which is sandwiched between Assen and Sachsenring - (chance for a bit of a confidence boosting run there?), plus Indianapolis - if he can adapt to the bike, a few top five finishes would him the world of good. It's a crying shame Misano doesn't 'go left' anymore.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Apr 14 2009, 02:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If it takes him until Assen then he's screwed for Laguna and so Ducati will sign a new rider by the time Donny rolls round.....
As Lilly Allen says... "Not in a million years"...

1. Casey Stoner Ducati 42:36.587
11. Marco Melandri Ducati + 44.284

1. Casey Stoner Ducati 42m53.984s
12. Nicky Hayden Ducati + 48.883s

not a good sign for hayden. he is slower than melandri last year. and casey certainly paced himself for at least last few laps.