Should Ducati sack Hayden?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Apr 11 2009, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Man! Talk about being a "One Trick Pony" - you're ....... pathetic. Your
entire being is focused on hating someone who everyone else respects.
Okay we get it. You dance to the beat of a different drummer. That's
all you got. If my life was as empty as your apparently is - I'd .......
stick my head in the oven. You are a sad little person. What do you
do in your spare time - pull wings off flies?

Pulling wings off flies?? hahaha...funny stuff.

I don't like Hayden.... but that is just me, and I guess other people don't either. Yeah he seems like a 'cool' guy, but again as I've said before, he is like someone who could very will be your next door neighbor, but this is racing,....and as far as racing goes I just don't think this guy can compete with some of the elite riders in MotoGP. That is just my opinoin, not saying he's not a good rider.....just not fast enough. Just because one slides his rear tires around and put on a display doesn't mean it equates to fast lap times. I do like him because he goes balls out each time he is on track.... but still, where are the results?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 12 2009, 05:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hello pinky

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Apr 12 2009, 10:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ducati were looking for a consistent solid rider as Stoner's sideckick, someone who can take points away from Rossi...

excellent post ..... thats why Capi helped get Stoner the 2007 title, as I suspect Hayden will. I don't think Pinky thinks that far ahead though

Hope Hayden gets back to it, I realy think after about mid season he will be a great asset to another Duc. title.

He may not even win one but he sure as hell will be trying to mix it up a bit ..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (27_2007 @ Apr 12 2009, 07:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he obviously can't tame the beast, he can't beat injured pedrosa, he is on melandi's performance level, he's destroying their bikes due to his own inability and in process he could destroy himself as we have seen today. he is hopeless. ducati should sack him for his own good and put kallio on that bike.


An Easter message for you 27_2007...

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Apr 12 2009, 12:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ducati will not sack Hayden, because

1) He doesn,t give up

2) He supports the American Ducati market

3) Casey likes him on the team, as they get on well, and a happy little Aussi camper is a fast little feck! And that suits Ducati.

Have you purchased a new Ducati in America since Nicky's signing because Nicky rides the bike or has anyone?

Me niether.

getting hayden to ducati was the easy part. getting rid of him with as little damage as possible is the hard part. not many americans have brains

damm ducati should of saved thier time and just read my posts last year

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Apr 12 2009, 04:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>getting hayden to ducati was the easy part. getting rid of him with as little damage as possible is the hard part. 1. not many americans have brains

2. damm ducati should of saved thier time and just read my posts last year

1. actually, in case you care to know, all of us have brain. the question we need to carefully ask is "who uses theirs?" coz as far as my experience in this forum would tell, some brains were unfortunately given to those who doesn't seem to know how to use them

2. we really should market this forum to a bigger audience, particularly those with direct connection to people concerned. they could learn a lot from racing to life in general

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (27_2007 @ Apr 12 2009, 07:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he obviously can't tame the beast, he can't beat injured pedrosa, he is on melandi's performance level, he's destroying their bikes due to his own inability and in process he could destroy himself as we have seen today. he is hopeless. ducati should sack him for his own good and put kallio on that bike.
Mate the lights haven't gone out on the first race and your already talking about Haydon getting the .........

I saw the title of the thread and just knew who it was

Shame you couldn't stick to your promise of leaving this place if Hayden was signed to Ducati!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Apr 12 2009, 05:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't like Hayden

I do like him

Of course Hayden should be sacked.

I mean, don't all employees get sacked if they aren't performing at the same level as the 'employee of the year' within a few short months of changing office?

Geez, lets go further and sack Lorenzo as he is a few hunreds off Rossi and it is his second year on that bike.

What of Vermuelen (stay Jumkie ) as he is a few hundred from Capriex.

And so on, and so on.



I am sure that I posted elsewhere and it has already been said in this thread by others, but I suspect that results or the need for them is only but one part of why Hayden was bought to Ducati. I suspect that his personality and friendship with CS played a large part, as no doubt did his work ethic of endless laps, his experience as a test mule and of course that he is one of only three people to have won a WC in the 4 stroke era.

Not a bad pedigree in my book but if you think he should go back to chewing hay on the back porch whilst watching the sun set in the west, that is your call. Just that I don't agree with it and judging from responses, nor do many others.







Gaz

I'll post this elsewhere...

Looking at the video repeatedly, Nicky did NOT touch the grass or rumble strip before the crash.
It could have been a tire traction problem, but he was surely on soft compounds so it's unlikely.
I think the CF swingarm failed. Notice the pieces flying from the rear in the video as he tries to turn right.

Maybe Ducati doesn't have the resources to support 2 factory riders

Have you purchased a new Ducati in America since Nicky's signing because Nicky rides the bike or has anyone?

Me niether.
Migsangel


No, I haven,t purchased a ducati in America because I live in Oz! A bit far to ride it back home.

If you talk to Jumkie type fans , I would say Hayden is a plus for the American market.

I just hope Nicky dooesn,t become sponsored by Ducati wreckers.

Short answer, no. Long answer, Canepa should be sacked.

Melandri is a 250 WC and Hayden AMA, MotoGP WC.

Ducati should be doing more to make their bike more accessible but they don't want to wreck what they have got with Stoner.

Its Suicidal signing for them while Stoners there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Apr 12 2009, 11:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Melandri is a 250 WC and Hayden AMA, MotoGP WC.

Ducati should be doing more to make their bike more accessible but they don't want to wreck what they have got with Stoner.

Its Suicidal signing for them while Stoners there.


i still think the ducati number 2 seat in the official time is a satellite spec bike thats why no one has done whats casey has.imo

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Apr 11 2009, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Very true....

....but he is world champion so we have to hold Nicky to higher standard otherwise you diminish the meaning of being MotoGP champ or his title...

Greatness is Motobike is about adapting to conditions.... see Spies for an example (and yes, I did not think he was great I tought it was the Suzuki...and I was wrong)...
you can't really say the same for sbk and gp's. If that was the case pedrosa should have been winning all over the place. Same for Lorenzo. I just think it is like any situation when you are used to something and have to change quite a bit to get the grips of this bike. I think Nicky can do it just at the moment he looks like he won't. All of us know the level of racing these guys are at but you can't pretend to understand it even if he is a former champ. All of you haters should give him a break for now and lets see what happens and hope for the best. I just at this point would hope for any race being a barnburner.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Apr 13 2009, 08:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i still think the ducati number 2 seat in the official time is a satellite spec bike thats why no one has done whats casey has.imo


Melandri was getting paid double what Casey was, even after Casey got the 2007 Championship. As if they would then put him on a sub standard bike, it just doesn't make sense. Actually a significant number of people on this (and other) forum(s) predicted that Melandri would be the 2008 champ, and more so he would relegate Rossi, Stoner Pedrosa Lorenzo et al to a pygmies battle for minor placing’s.

It makes as much sense as having provided Caparossi a 2nd tier bike in 2007 and providing the then untested Stoner the good gear.

I remember commenting when they first rolled out the Carbon Fibre Frame that by then (in 2008) it was obvious that they were only having success with Casey and the team were far more solicitous than previously regarding the opinion of Casey, so it isn't that Casey gets the "only" factory bike, but after the Marco issue it is become the Casey bike and maybe he is the only one who can ride it.

I do agree that the other Ducati seats however are looking like a poisoned chalice (although even us atheists pray for Nicki)

The "2nd factory Ducati is a satellite spec" is the most ridiculous theory for Casey's speed, EVER.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Apr 13 2009, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The "2nd factory Ducati is a satellite spec" is the most ridiculous theory for Casey's speed, EVER.
I am sure they wouldn't deliberately give the second factory rider a dud bike but them not having enough resources to develop the bikes equally as the season progresses seems a possibility and developing the bike in a direction that suits stoner seems very likely. This is not sefishness on stoner's part as some suggest; their aim is to beat rossi and having 5 ducatis which are ersatz yamahas would seem unlikely to achieve this given that the other blokes on the actual yamahas can't do it. I am also sure that yamaha would not hesitate to change their bike to benefit rossi just because as a consequence lorenzo was hindered.