Should Ducati sack Hayden?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ May 9 2009, 07:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you didn't did you... i misread. but i agree that like marco, if he does not show some serious improvement he'll not be wearin red next season.
He may be wearing red....but it could read Xerox and not Malboro...

fourth race of the season, and hayden is still far away from top 10... another miserable performance from him... any excuses?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#27aus @ May 16 2009, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>fourth race of the season, and hayden is still far away from top 10... another miserable performance from him... any excuses?
No excuses just facts. If you follow GP at all you would know he hasn't had the best of luck in these first few races. Not to mention very limited time to get a bit more used to it. Oh and plus that ...... worthless Japanese rider who should be selling hotdogs at the races instead of being one!

No excuse needed. Ducati just need to put back the Trellis frame in one of Hayden's bike and see how far it goes. In 2008, Elias show some good improvement after mid season. Perhaps, the carbon fiber frame isn't ready except for Stoner.

all riders have expressed the CF frame is better than the previous bike.

Pinky, I think it's based on old tires during winter test. I heard in race season Bridgestone bring a different tires which is I think need to be considered to re-test the trellis frames. It may pay off...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ May 16 2009, 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No excuses just facts. If you follow GP at all you would know he hasn't had the best of luck in these first few races. Not to mention very limited time to get a bit more used to it. Oh and plus that ...... worthless Japanese rider who should be selling hotdogs at the races instead of being one!

That same ...... japanese rider that he beat with a whopping 0.03 seconds last race?

end of day americans are way over-rated. they have supuerbike series in australia, but the winner of that series dont get touted as the next motogp superstar. sure he MAY be the next best thing, but it seems whoever wins the ama series in america should have automatic right be be given a motogp ride.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ May 20 2009, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>end of day americans are way over-rated. they have supuerbike series in australia, but the winner of that series dont get touted as the next motogp superstar. sure he MAY be the next best thing, but it seems whoever wins the ama series in america should have automatic right be be given a motogp ride.
Really ??
Never heard of it let alone seen it on tv. If its so good ,why did stoner come to england to learn to race ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ May 20 2009, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>end of day americans are way over-rated. they have supuerbike series in australia, but the winner of that series dont get touted as the next motogp superstar. sure he MAY be the next best thing, but it seems whoever wins the ama series in america should have automatic right be be given a motogp ride.

Honda thought Nicky was the next best thing for their company.

Plus, the reputation of AMA SBK to produce world championship talent in MotoGP and WSBK, as well become a home to former World Champions.

Do the names:

Doug Polen (WSBK champion)
Colin Edwards (WSBK champion)
Troy Bayliss (WSBK champion & MotoGP race winner)
Kevin Schwantz ('93 500ccGP World Champion)
Troy Corser (WSBK Champion)
Ben Spies (Record setting WSBK season in WSBK)
Doug Chandler (winner in WSBK and 500cc GP)
Wayne Rainey (3 time 500cc GP World Champion)
Fred Merkel (WSBK 1st champion)
Eddie Lawson (500cc champion)
Mike Baldwin
Freddie Spencer (500cc and 250cc champion, last to do so)
Neil Hodgson (WSBK and BSB champion)



Seems to me, but two of the biggest Australian champions in motorcycle racing, went through the AMA SBK championship before doing anything with their careers.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ May 20 2009, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>end of day americans are way over-rated. they have supuerbike series in australia, but the winner of that series dont get touted as the next motogp superstar. sure he MAY be the next best thing, but it seems whoever wins the ama series in america should have automatic right be be given a motogp ride.
Huh that is funny since WE Americans are the ones who created Superbikes in the first place. Plus we have a good list of folks who came over and dominated the series in SBK and GP's. At the end of the day pinky is still an ....... and prefers to act like a moronic ..... So make fun of AMericans and say all the .... you want but your STill a major loser.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (heyhuub @ May 20 2009, 09:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That same ...... japanese rider that he beat with a whopping 0.03 seconds last race?
Yep that is the same ...... token Japanese rider! MAn your good.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ May 20 2009, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Honda thought Nicky was the next best thing for their company.

Plus, the reputation of AMA SBK to produce world championship talent in MotoGP and WSBK, as well become a home to former World Champions.

Do the names:

Doug Polen (WSBK champion)
Colin Edwards (WSBK champion)
Troy Bayliss (WSBK champion & MotoGP race winner)
Kevin Schwantz ('93 500ccGP World Champion)
Troy Corser (WSBK Champion)
Ben Spies (Record setting WSBK season in WSBK)
Doug Chandler (winner in WSBK and 500cc GP)
Wayne Rainey (3 time 500cc GP World Champion)
Fred Merkel (WSBK 1st champion)
Eddie Lawson (500cc champion)
Mike Baldwin
Freddie Spencer (500cc and 250cc champion, last to do so)
Neil Hodgson (WSBK and BSB champion)



Seems to me, but two of the biggest Australian champions in motorcycle racing, went through the AMA SBK championship before doing anything with their careers.

HF you might want to look a little hard into Hodgson

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Traverser @ May 20 2009, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>HF you might want to look a little hard into Hodgson

My bad HF, I didn't fully read your post.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ May 20 2009, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Huh that is funny since WE Americans are the ones who created Superbikes in the first place.

Funny, cos as far as I'm concerned YOU never made ANY Superbikes, they all come from Japan and Europe.

Pinky is jealous of Americans bless him...

Thats what gives away his other aliases as well, his dislike of anything American (e.g. Spies)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (two-stroke @ May 21 2009, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pinky is jealous of Americans bless him...

Thats what gives away his other aliases as well, his dislike of anything American (e.g. Spies)
Yet the fact that Edwards is listed as one of his favorite riders shows just how confused he really is

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ May 20 2009, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Plus, the reputation of AMA SBK to produce world championship talent in MotoGP and WSBK, as well become a home to former World Champions.

I think you are pushing it to consider Bayliss a product of AMA after what 2 rounds? I very much doubt those few weeks had a significant impact on the rider who hit the world stage, nor do i think those performances got him his break. Even more so Hodgeson, who rather than being a product of AMA is actually just retiring somewhere he can maintain a comfortable lifestyle. His major success came long before his AMA days.

Also, as impressive as your list is, only one of them did their AMA time in the last ten years. In the context of this discussion i would agree that AMA has a deeper field and better form than Oz superbikes, but there is a limit on the relevance of history in the present.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 20 2009, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think you are pushing it to consider Bayliss a product of AMA after what 2 rounds? I very much doubt those few weeks had a significant impact on the rider who hit the world stage, nor do i think those performances got him his break. Even more so Hodgeson, who rather than being a product of AMA is actually just retiring somewhere he can maintain a comfortable lifestyle. His major success came long before his AMA days.

Also, as impressive as your list is, only one of them did their AMA time in the last ten years. In the context of this discussion i would agree that AMA has a deeper field and better form than Oz superbikes, but there is a limit on the relevance of history in the present.

I see what you are saying about Bayliss, but still. Look at the rest of the list. Many with the same about of skill on a bike, if not more.

I think Hodgson's would love to run upfront though. I doubt he wants to retire with the results he has put up in the AMA.


But most of that in the past decade has to due to the domination of Mat Mladin. We know Mladin has the talent to run GP and run well. He was on a GP bike in only his second year of racing IIRC. But circumstances led to him in the US, and he found it a place he enjoys. Because, really, who doesn't like living in the United States?

That domination, shows either the other riders are good, but not great, or that Mladin is just light years ahead of the field. Riders like Duhamel also ran 500ccGP and won a World Endurance title. DiSalvo ran a partial 125cc season back in 2001.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ May 21 2009, 09:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> Because, really, who doesn't like living in the United States?
I dunno... maybe muslims, arabs, sikhs, hindus, texans, alaskans, french, germans, canadians, lex (oh wait... he falls under texans)... the list goes on...