80 seconds starts .............................................................................................. now!
Yeah I'm pretty sure JB has accepted that that was a daft thing to say, he's probably let it go though, as should you. Perhaps if Casey wasn't so good at masking the fact that the bike was a heap he wouldn't have said it at all...hindsight is a wonderful thing!
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Norah Head
The only problem for you with this argument is that if the yamaha was/is the best bike I think rossi has made a very substantial contribution to it being so, particularly as was fairly well reported in pushing for them to continue with their general direction whilst upgrading power with the pneumatic engine in 2007. Mind you, if you wished to argue that if ducati had retained/backed casey and continued their radical direction that they might be better off just at present I would possibly agree with you.
What would blow the massive honda bike advantage in 2011 theory away would be if dovi continued to be as fast as lorenzo; however jorge crashed soon after his fastest time, has less to prove than dovi and dovi as he said himself was slower on long runs (which perhaps could be interpreted as please don't turn my bike down). The yamaha as a corner speed bike might well suit him better I guess anyway.
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Norah Head
There you guys go again ........ I think you guys discount ( almost totally ) the role of the actual engineers and technicians in the development of the bike.
The rider says .....
the bike is doing this, and I don't like it ..........
"somebody" waves a magic wand and the bike changes ..... ( being very sarcastic here in the hope that you at least think about what id done at this stage ............ by the engineers techo'setc. etc. etc. ............ all whlst the rider has a sleep ...)
The rider rides the modified bike and says ....... yes or no.
Furusawa and his techo's were pretty good, I believe they may even have known about the V Twins problem with induced lateral forces . ( they have even tilted back the engine of there YZ range some years ago ...... which indicates they know about dynamic effects of the engine on the balance of the bike, grip or otherwise )
PS. In another field, ie. Electric violins, I have found that Yamaha have a wonderful understanding of the technology, way in front of their competitors, but they don't say a thing about it .......... thats how they keep the advantage ........... clever company .
Furusawa was doubtless the main "engine", but valentino certainly remained calm and backed continuing yamaha's long term direction when there was considerable pressure in 2007 to go "radical" and build an extreme bike that the electronics could ride like the ducati (I do sarcasm also). This was likely furusawa's preference as may have been the case with the 2004 yamaha, but I think it is as extreme to say rossi had no role as it is to say he designed the bikes himself, and furusawa never fails to give rossi credit even now that rossi has departed. It is certainly untrue to say valentino has had no influence on the engineering of the current ducati
I probably agree with you that yamaha are intrinsically cleverer than honda, who have always been the engine company above all and have had a significant part of their success with absolutely brilliant riders. Then again apocryphally at least mick doohan did make a significant contribution to the engineering side of honda during his period of success, mainly apparently by stopping them from stuffing things up with over elaboration.
I am just joking with it. I have no doubt we will be joking about that comment for awhile yet.
I am actually predicting success for them so don't stress.
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Norah Head
You know that you are missing something important about Stoner again .......... even though you have said it ......
in 2007 they built an "extreme" bike ......... who was the real reason they HAD to build this bike ? .......... even though he was on a Ducati ..... it could be argued that across the board Stoner made all the manufacturers have to step it up.
Something to consider:
Ducati made a brand new bike and turned up to Sepang I with it. It seemed to go quite well. The riders provided feedback and a direction that they thought Ducati needed to go. Ducati went away and followed that feedback and brought back the modified bike for Sepang II. The result has not been good.
So where is the fault? Are the riders providing bad feedback or are the engineers not good enough to engineer the changes requested?
Ducati made a brand new bike and turned up to Sepang I with it. It seemed to go quite well. The riders provided feedback and a direction that they thought Ducati needed to go. Ducati went away and followed that feedback and brought back the modified bike for Sepang II. The result has not been good.
So where is the fault? Are the riders providing bad feedback or are the engineers not good enough to engineer the changes requested?
Next you will be arguing the rider makes the difference, hardly the thing for an engineer to say.
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Norah Head
CAn't believe the honesty thats happening lately :
http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/201203026236/Nakamoto-Yamaha-ha-la-moto-migliore.html
http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/201203026236/Nakamoto-Yamaha-ha-la-moto-migliore.html
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Norah Head
I may have even coined the phrase "Stoner could win on a postie bike" .......... meaning in his case he tends to be able to ride anything fast.
But I also think he is the only GP rider out there who can find the limit of any current GP bike. Then counter for that limit to some degree.
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Tennessee
The no crowd atmosphere certainly sucks, but the ambiance of the night race makes it my most anticipated race of the year.. The visional enhancements of night racing are the ...., i love it.The bikes look fantastic under the glare of the lights.
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Your Mom's House
I like Qatar day or night. Its a stunning track out in middle of nowhere. The night lights are fantastic. Apart from the lack of elevation changes i think the lack of audience is of no consequence to me.
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'Guareschi told GPOne.com that Rossi could have been faster, but that his priorities lay elsewhere. The Italian's times were around those of factory teammate Nicky Hayden's who is still recovering from shoulder surgery. This, Guareschi argued, was signal enough that Rossi was not anywhere near the pace he was capable of running at.' (motomatters)
Guareschi can be a bit of a .... sometimes.
Guareschi can be a bit of a .... sometimes.
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Tar Heel State
I read that as well but I thought he mentioned Hayden being at only 70% as well in the statement????
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Yep, he didnt mean any harm, he was just saying Rossi was barely faster than an injured Hayden
The Italian's times were around those of factory teammate Nicky Hayden's who is still recovering from shoulder surgery. This, Guareschi argued, was signal enough that Rossi was not anywhere near the pace he was capable of running at.
It's alright. I appreciate the uniqueness of the venue, but the lights of Qatar can hardly compare to watching the bikes rip through the marine layer during the morning sessions at Jerez. The dayglo colors pop as the sun leaks through the whitewash. Like a smokey-mountain fog, but with a ball of Spanish fire trying to burn through. Oil money can't buy that kind of sexy.
The carnival at Jerez is when the juices start flowing, imo.
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