I predict that Rossi will announce that he will be testing a Ferrari F1 next week followed by a WRC and that he may race a WSBK event this season. Following this announcement Dorna will tell Yamaha that MotoGP will be a spec Honda Series unless they give Rossi an M1 painted red for the remainder of the season.
Sachsenring predictions, practice, quali
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apparently so......especially when being beaten by your teamate, or did that just apply to Rossi at Fiat Yamaha
Context context context - but I am quietly flattered you have read some of my posts.
Rossi being beaten - I was referring to a championship.
Winning championships - a bad day is a third.
Me when I raced - third was a bloody miracle - hence the fact I have a cupboard full of football trophies (Rugby League) and only a few bike ones.
Cheers (now back to work Andrew!)
Yeah you tell him ya chutney ferret. I get pretty uptight when peeps call you a .... Thats my gig.
Turn 13, the tight left hander at the bottom of the hill going up to the straight should load up that duc front end nicely.
Peddles is always handy here - let's hope his injuries don't slow him down too much
apparently so......especially when being beaten by your teamate, or did that just apply to Rossi at Fiat Yamaha
Talps, all jokes aside why such a level of deeply personal bitterness towards the guy? Given the length of time you have been following the sport (which I don't question btw) you are too old for him to have stolen adrianna from you. Did he beat your son in the under 12s or something?
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According to the latest speculation although she is now confirmed not to be expecting it is however Marwa Klebe's time of the month. This will obviously account for any poor showing by Vale this weekend understandably owing to a lack of focus.
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He will be absolutely drained from the downer that comes after the adrenaline rush of finding out he just lost half his .....But the again, the euphoria of finding out he didint lose half his .... might just propel him to 4th.
He will be absolutely drained from the downer that comes after the adrenaline rush of finding out he just lost half his .....But the again, the euphoria of finding out he didint lose half his .... might just propel him to 4th.
well, actually Mick no I don't have a son yet.......
The first time I saw Casey Stoner was at Phillip Island in 2002 or 03 when he was in 125cc and being interviewed by Daryl B and Mick D. From what I can remember he was bitching a lot even then, particularly about the Island and their brand new gravel traps. And Mick and Daryl just had a look of discontent and this rather stupid, young, heavily opinionated and mostly ill- informed twerp, who with his first chance to impress the Australian public on air was rather a major let down.
Sources that I know personally in Broadcasting have also spent time with Casey, not journo's as they are a different breed, but crew-who are mostly very decent people. These sources have also reiterated to me that the guy is a complete .... in person too.
As he can ride a motorcycle very well, I didn't really take these first two points as a major influence on my opinion, despite rumblings from the motogp world in 2006 (LCR) that he was a serious .... and a liability to Australia and its great history in this sport. And as Stoner's attitude in 2007 seemed greatly improved (while he was winning) I didn't really believe the rumblings at all. Then came 2008, particularly Laguna Seca where, when beaten, and beaten well despite having more pace, Stoner's true persona was revealed, one of being a complete and utter sore loser, not just a bad loser like the likes Biaggi, Kosinski or Sete but all new levels of idiotic behavior and far removed from Aussie's in the past, Just imagine Troy Bayliss in a race like this-would he have carried on like Stoner? Absolutely not! In fact he would have praised Rossi on his race-craft. The apology from Stoner was too little and way too late. I spoke to top class Australian riders at the time of this incident and the overwhelming consensus was that Stoner was an embarrassment. This type of behavior continues to surface to this day......
Then we had 'Tummy gate' in 2009, and the start of the brattish behavior in FP on towing. Which has now risen to all new levels of concern, alienating him from most of the paddock and making race-direction keep a close eye on him. The Randy incident was appalling, his jumping of the fence at Jerez was insane and self-destructive, not too mention the dumb-... comments in the garage for which he will never live down, the absolutely dangerous hounding of Nicky Hayden, and the most recently barging of Karol. I firmly believe that Stoner has serious psychological problems and needs some help to become more balanced, for at present he is dangerous to others on track. The reason I bring up Mugello, is of course to put .... on the twats
Of course there are some his fans, which are far worse than any fans I have encountered, the fans themselves I don't really blame for their bias, the fact that they don't really get chastised at all by those who like to claim a balanced view on these matters I find extremely hypocritical and even more bias- originating from a place of extreme negativity.
These are but a few of the reasons Mick, and lets face it, even you have said he is acting like a ...., its not hard to dislike this guy, he gives little reason to do anything else. Respect his riding, sure, but like, no chance. Beating Rossi more than most, well many would like to believe that this is the reason for the overwhelming dislike of Stoner, however Jorge has seriously de-bunked that myth. Stoner has had many opportunities to transform his public image, however he seems to be continuing to do the opposite........his race record is fantastic but his behavior belies him a far greater respect, and paycheck, and worst of all- potentially makes talent scouts re-consider Australia for their next riding 'representative'......
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Was it Adriana who let down Casey's tires then? I would imagine though that he would be the one with the menstrual problems all month........
poor girl
lorenzo will show his class this round i predict...he has the best corner speed out of the current breed imo. /shrug
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He will be absolutely drained from the downer that comes after the adrenaline rush of finding out he just lost half his .....But the again, the euphoria of finding out he didint lose half his .... might just propel him to 4th.
How does that calculation go again? 1/2 second a lap per kid?
.... now we know who octomoms sperm doner was
well, actually Mick no I don't have a son yet.......
The first time I saw Casey Stoner was at Phillip Island in 2002 or 03 when he was in 125cc and being interviewed by Daryl B and Mick D. From what I can remember he was bitching a lot even then, particularly about the Island and their brand new gravel traps. And Mick and Daryl just had a look of discontent and this rather stupid, young, heavily opinionated and mostly ill- informed twerp, who with his first chance to impress the Australian public on air was rather a major let down.
Sources that I know personally in Broadcasting have also spent time with Casey, not journo's as they are a different breed, but crew-who are mostly very decent people. These sources have also reiterated to me that the guy is a complete .... in person too.
As he can ride a motorcycle very well, I didn't really take these first two points as a major influence on my opinion, despite rumblings from the motogp world in 2006 (LCR) that he was a serious .... and a liability to Australia and its great history in this sport. And as Stoner's attitude in 2007 seemed greatly improved (while he was winning) I didn't really believe the rumblings at all. Then came 2008, particularly Laguna Seca where, when beaten, and beaten well despite having more pace, Stoner's true persona was revealed, one of being a complete and utter sore loser, not just a bad loser like the likes Biaggi, Kosinski or Sete but all new levels of idiotic behavior and far removed from Aussie's in the past, Just imagine Troy Bayliss in a race like this-would he have carried on like Stoner? Absolutely not! In fact he would have praised Rossi on his race-craft. The apology from Stoner was too little and way too late. I spoke to top class Australian riders at the time of this incident and the overwhelming consensus was that Stoner was an embarrassment. This type of behavior continues to surface to this day......
Then we had 'Tummy gate' in 2009, and the start of the brattish behavior in FP on towing. Which has now risen to all new levels of concern, alienating him from most of the paddock and making race-direction keep a close eye on him. The Randy incident was appalling, his jumping of the fence at Jerez was insane and self-destructive, not too mention the dumb-... comments in the garage for which he will never live down, the absolutely dangerous hounding of Nicky Hayden, and the most recently barging of Karol. I firmly believe that Stoner has serious psychological problems and needs some help to become more balanced, for at present he is dangerous to others on track. The reason I bring up Mugello, is of course to put .... on the twats, but also to highlight the disturbing nature of Stoners absolute discontent for his 3rd place, and little respect for the men who beat him. Gavin Emmett commented a few times on how 'unhappy' Stoner was post-race........chalk it up and move on! it was a podium! Nothing has changed since Laguna 08.
Of course there are some his fans, which are far worse than any fans I have encountered, the fans themselves I don't really blame for their bias, the fact that they don't really get chastised at all by those who like to claim a balanced view on these matters I find extremely hypocritical and even more bias- originating from a place of extreme negativity.
These are but a few of the reasons Mick, and lets face it, even you have said he is acting like a ...., its not hard to dislike this guy, he gives little reason to do anything else. Respect his riding, sure, but like, no chance. Beating Rossi more than most, well many would like to believe that this is the reason for the overwhelming dislike of Stoner, however Jorge has seriously de-bunked that myth. Stoner has had many opportunities to transform his public image, however he seems to be continuing to do the opposite........his race record is fantastic but his behavior belies him a far greater respect, and paycheck, and worst of all- potentially makes talent scouts re-consider Australia for their next riding 'representative'......
So you actually don't know him personally, which was really my question.
Feel free to dislike him all you want, you don't have to justify your dislike to me or anyone else, but the reasons you have given in this post are mostly your usual web of supposition, particularly about him being unsafe, which none of the riders (whether involved in practice incidents with him or not) to my knowledge has ever said, or anyone else. On the contrary, kropotkin as fair minded as anyone involved with motogp, whilst not approving stoner's responses has said the lollygagging on the race line thing is dangerous; even you have admitted it is dangerous but have raised a strange (the uncharitable might say biased) argument that it is acceptable or habitual danger, whilst raving on about the danger of stoner's track-side wave. As I have said previously both julian ryder and gpone have said in print that rdp 's behaviour was very dangerous.
Speaking of bias, you were also trenchantly defending the jerez torpedo as a legitimate passing attempt until your boy came out with the only possible excuse, ie that it wasn't. As for stoner's response , he can be forgiven for thinking rossi had torpedoed him by attempting a pass unfeasibile in the cirumstance since you among many including nick harris thought it was a deliberate attempt to pass. The fact also still remains that failing evasive action from stoner rossi would also have taken them both down at laguna seca 2008; to engage in the type of speculation which is your stock in trade, if valentino had been less triumphal post race and said something like great race, sorry I nearly took you out at the corkscrew, stoner's response may have been different. What stoner did not do and will not do is admit defeat either in the actual racing or because of populist opinion and lie down and take it as biaggi and gibernau did; if you and those of your "ilk" don't like this, tough.
Some might see condemning him for being ill in 2009 as being a rather medieval attitude; what it definitely wasn't was proof that he had been mentally destroyed by valentino as you gleefully proclaimed at the time, any more than valentino is mentally destroyed now just because he is on a dud bike and doesn't want to risk death just to finish 4th rather than 5th.
Many of the people you claim stoner has mortally offended seem to have a good relationship with him, including jorge lorenzo and mick doohan (who is rumoured to be mentoring him now), and his crew who have now followed him to a 4th different situation. We won't go into your apparent inside knowledge of stoner's relationship with his wife or your qualifications as a marriage counsellor.
With regard to the practice incidents, whilst the issue is perhaps close to having become an obssession for him, there appears to be little doubt that he has a genuine personal conviction about it. After the abraham incident, which neither of us have seen admittedly, it would seem he is equally culpable for deciding to pull out of a fast lap, hence slowing on the racing line (which you have argued is within expected/acceptable behaviour for other riders) and upsetting abraham as he is for being upset by other riders doing it to him.
From my point of view most of his so-called attitude stems from the reaction to his 2007 title, which the hardcore rossi fans such as you and the more populist among the press attributed to a huge and unfair bike advantage, which he of all people knew was far from the case. So if he has a chip on his shoulder(s) about unfair treatment, as appears to be the case, this is quite possibly because he has been treated unfairly
And finally, to answer the most fanciful of your speculations, if his behaviour is so far beyond the pale and damaging to the prospects of future australian riders, how did he manage to get the factory honda contract?
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well, actually Mick no I don't have a son yet.......
The first time I saw Casey Stoner was at Phillip Island in 2002 or 03 when he was in 125cc and being interviewed by Daryl B and Mick D. From what I can remember he was bitching a lot even then, particularly about the Island and their brand new gravel traps. And Mick and Daryl just had a look of discontent and this rather stupid, young, heavily opinionated and mostly ill- informed twerp, who with his first chance to impress the Australian public on air was rather a major let down.
Sources that I know personally in Broadcasting have also spent time with Casey, not journo's as they are a different breed, but crew-who are mostly very decent people. These sources have also reiterated to me that the guy is a complete .... in person too.
As he can ride a motorcycle very well, I didn't really take these first two points as a major influence on my opinion, despite rumblings from the motogp world in 2006 (LCR) that he was a serious .... and a liability to Australia and its great history in this sport. And as Stoner's attitude in 2007 seemed greatly improved (while he was winning) I didn't really believe the rumblings at all. Then came 2008, particularly Laguna Seca where, when beaten, and beaten well despite having more pace, Stoner's true persona was revealed, one of being a complete and utter sore loser, not just a bad loser like the likes Biaggi, Kosinski or Sete but all new levels of idiotic behavior and far removed from Aussie's in the past, Just imagine Troy Bayliss in a race like this-would he have carried on like Stoner? Absolutely not! In fact he would have praised Rossi on his race-craft. The apology from Stoner was too little and way too late. I spoke to top class Australian riders at the time of this incident and the overwhelming consensus was that Stoner was an embarrassment. This type of behavior continues to surface to this day......
Then we had 'Tummy gate' in 2009, and the start of the brattish behavior in FP on towing. Which has now risen to all new levels of concern, alienating him from most of the paddock and making race-direction keep a close eye on him. The Randy incident was appalling, his jumping of the fence at Jerez was insane and self-destructive, not too mention the dumb-... comments in the garage for which he will never live down, the absolutely dangerous hounding of Nicky Hayden, and the most recently barging of Karol. I firmly believe that Stoner has serious psychological problems and needs some help to become more balanced, for at present he is dangerous to others on track. The reason I bring up Mugello, is of course to put .... on the twats, but also to highlight the disturbing nature of Stoners absolute discontent for his 3rd place, and little respect for the men who beat him. Gavin Emmett commented a few times on how 'unhappy' Stoner was post-race........chalk it up and move on! it was a podium! Nothing has changed since Laguna 08.
Of course there are some his fans, which are far worse than any fans I have encountered, the fans themselves I don't really blame for their bias, the fact that they don't really get chastised at all by those who like to claim a balanced view on these matters I find extremely hypocritical and even more bias- originating from a place of extreme negativity.
These are but a few of the reasons Mick, and lets face it, even you have said he is acting like a ...., its not hard to dislike this guy, he gives little reason to do anything else. Respect his riding, sure, but like, no chance. Beating Rossi more than most, well many would like to believe that this is the reason for the overwhelming dislike of Stoner, however Jorge has seriously de-bunked that myth. Stoner has had many opportunities to transform his public image, however he seems to be continuing to do the opposite........his race record is fantastic but his behavior belies him a far greater respect, and paycheck, and worst of all- potentially makes talent scouts re-consider Australia for their next riding 'representative'......
Short answer;
Because he is annoying the only thing wound tighter than CS is his fans. And it is hilarious to watch them blow a gasket!(CS and his fans.) He is the worlds least chill stoner.
Don't want to
Well you asked mate...? Not at all, most of my reason are based on hard core situations that took place, and I've seen all of them bar the Abraham one. So then what is more dangerous 'lollygaging' on the race line or punching another rider? What is more dangerous 'lollygaging' on the race line or pursuing another rider and hounding them putting them off deliberately by getting in their way? What would have been a more sensible thing to do, slow down and punch Randy, or wait until after warm-up to go and see him in the pits and explain the situation? The answers are very simple and it all = Stoner is a dangerous ..... Without even bringing up Karol.....
It was a legitimate passing attempt that went wrong as VR pointed out, he made a mistake whilst trying to pass Stoner, far from deliberately taking him out as 'YOU' and many others accused VR of, amongst other nasty superlatives at the time. And as for Laguna 08, well I didn't see Stoner apologizing to Rossi for nearly clipping VR on the way through up the hill, nor did Stoner apologize for nearly 'rear ending' VR on the way to ending up in the sand pit after out-braking himself........
Biaggi and Gibernau never admitted defeat either, nor did they lie down from what I can remember.......People like yourself (your 'ilk'
And why would he? Rossi is nearly 10 years Stoner's senior and has a titanium rod in his leg, what is the point of pushing a package you know you are going to crash, when you've already won as much as Rossi? And risk serious injury? Stoner must consider himself extremely lucky to escape last season relatively unscathed.
And what about the many more who he doesn't? Do you need the list from this season alone again?
Who gives a .... about his personal conviction? Its dangerous, plain and simple, if it happens again they should consider suspending him for a couple of rounds, this may change his personality.
michaelm' timestamp='1310433831' post='286840 said:From my point of view most of his so-called attitude stems from the reaction to his 2007 title, which the hardcore rossi fans such as you and the more populist among the press attributed to a huge and unfair bike advantage, which he of all people knew was far from the case. So if he has a chip on his shoulder(s) about unfair treatment, as appears to be the case, this is quite possibly because he has been treated unfairly.
No one is doubting that the Ducati had a straight line speed advantage in 2007, and handled better than it does currently, no one is doubting that the Bridgestones were far superior in 2007. Life's not fair, grin and bear it and accept that Rossi has an unprecedented fan base, Rossi was winning world championships when Stoner was mini-biking, simple fact-accept it. A lot of these fans would also like Stoner too if he wasn't such a .....
michaelm' timestamp='1310433831' post='286840 said:
Well not to be too obvious, I was referencing the future. And I used the word 'potentially'. I will put a hypothetical in their for you, imagine if we happened to have another Aussie in Motogp performing at the level of say 'Spies' and had an attitude like Troy Bayliss, would you still be defending CS to the death as you are currently? And who then would your full support lie with? I suspect that you will dance around it, but I feel the truth is Aussie's have no-one else to cheer on and people like yourself feel obliged to fall on your sword for Stoner- You must be commended for your utter commitment to the cause, it must be seriously tiring defending someone who behaves like Stoner.
How does that calculation go again? 1/2 second a lap per kid?
.... now we know who octomoms sperm doner was
thing is, colin said that was ......... cuz after his kid was born, he won every round after that in that faithful sbk season...
"Well you asked mate...? Not at all, most of my reason are based on hard core situations that took place, and I've seen all of them bar the Abraham one. So then what is more dangerous 'lollygaging' on the race line or punching another rider? What is more dangerous 'lollygaging' on the race line or pursuing another rider and hounding them putting them off deliberately by getting in their way? What would have been a more sensible thing to do, slow down and punch Randy, or wait until after warm-up to go and see him in the pits and explain the situation? The answers are very simple and it all = Stoner is a dangerous ..... Without even bringing up Karol...."
Show me quotes from anyone actually involved in motogp racing that they consider stoner to be a dangerous rider, or to have posed actual danger in any of these incidents.
"It was a legitimate passing attempt that went wrong as VR pointed out, he made a mistake whilst trying to pass Stoner, far from deliberately taking him out as 'YOU' and many others accused VR of, amongst other nasty superlatives at the time. And as for Laguna 08, well I didn't see Stoner apologizing to Rossi for nearly clipping VR on the way through up the hill, nor did Stoner apologize for nearly 'rear ending' VR on the way to ending up in the sand pit after out-braking himself........
Biaggi and Gibernau never admitted defeat either, nor did they lie down from what I can remember.......People like yourself (your 'ilk') like to continually discredit the ability of these two for obvious reasons, however Max is certainly still proving that he is one tough customer, and Sete was an extremely strong competitor on the greatest machine ever to compete in Motogp. Stoner has not admitted defeat, of course, but he has been beaten already, and beaten well by a much older, and quite injured last season, campaigner. And FYI, those of my 'ILK' couldn't give a .... about Stoner's attitude as we already know it only provides comic relief"
Except that valentino specifically said in his interview with gpone that he actually wasn't attempting a pass at jerez, but ended up on the wrong line and lost the bike. Again you re-write history. Stoner went into the sand at laguna seca 2008 rather than run into rossi, which as he said at the time he could easily have done, and no evasive action from rossi was required ; you are familiar with the concept of counterpoint?
Your boy valentino, great and all as he is and which nobody seriously disputes, doesn't look particularly likely to finish better than 4th on the ducati this year, either.
"And why would he? Rossi is nearly 10 years Stoner's senior and has a titanium rod in his leg, what is the point of pushing a package you know you are going to crash, when you've already won as much as Rossi? And risk serious injury? Stoner must consider himself extremely lucky to escape last season relatively unscathed".
This was actually my point.
"Who gives a .... about his personal conviction? Its dangerous, plain and simple, if it happens again they should consider suspending him for a couple of rounds, this may change his personality."
Yet actually moving across the track at the last second in slow motion as rdp did, widely acknowledged not least by randy himself to be very dangerous, is something stoner should toughen up about and anticipate. Again, show me complaints from anyone, in particular the riders concerned, that stoner is dangerous rather than "arrogant and improper" as gpone put it.
"No one is doubting that the Ducati had a straight line speed advantage in 2007, and handled better than it does currently, no one is doubting that the Bridgestones were far superior in 2007. Life's not fair, grin and bear it and accept that Rossi has an unprecedented fan base, Rossi was winning world championships when Stoner was mini-biking, simple fact-accept it. A lot of these fans would also like Stoner too if he wasn't such a ....".
As I have continually said, I don't think anybody could have ridden the yamaha better than rossi did in 2007, and hence no-one on a yamaha could have beaten stoner given what he was able to extract from the 2007 ducati . Whether anyone else could have extracted what stoner did from the bike is another question, and quite speculative on your part, given that such luminaries as loris capirossi and even valentino and jb are saying that the way stoner rode the thing is difficult if not impossible to duplicate; statements by the latter two surely have the same status as holy writ according to your previous arguments. Could a fully fit rossi with a chance of winning a championship have adapted to riding the 2007 ducati as stoner did? Maybe, but only maybe, as even then the characteristics of the ducati, particularly the power delivery, were everything he doesn't like in a bike.
Fairly difficult for stoner to win premier class world championships whilst he was still mini-biking, as you also continually ignore when making this argument. I don't recall valentino winning many championships when agostini and doohan were winning theirs either.
"Well not to be too obvious, I was referencing the future. And I used the word 'potentially'. I will put a hypothetical in their for you, imagine if we happened to have another Aussie in Motogp performing at the level of say 'Spies' and had an attitude like Troy Bayliss, would y ou still be defending CS to the death as you are currently? And who then would your full support lie with? I suspect that you will dance around it, but I feel the truth is Aussie's have no-one else to cheer on and people like yourself feel obliged to fall on your sword for Stoner- You must be commended for your utter commitment to the cause, it must be seriously tiring defending someone who behaves like Stoner."
Again, honda signed him, the top ride in the paddock, and probably against the wishes of their major sponsor, and appear particularly pleased to have done so at present. If he wins a title for them I would speculate that it will make them more likely to sign riders of australian or american origin in future, since such riders would appear to be more interested in pursuing race and title wins for them rather than worrying about honda getting too much credit, slagging honda off in the press because they feel slighted, or employing managers who attempt to manipulate the internal politics of the team and the sponsors.
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