Sachsenring out?

stiefel · Sep 13, 2011

http://motomatters.com/news/2011/09/13/sachsenring_off_2012_motogp_calendar_to_.html

Personally, I'd like to see them at the Nurnburgring.

chopperman · Sep 13, 2011

That sux.

povol · Sep 13, 2011

4 million Euro sanctioning fee

I would guess Carmen will find more and more tracks telling him no thanks. There is no way in hell Indy or Laguna is paying a 5.5 million dollar sanction fee. Besides ticket sales,and vendor fees how else does a track make money. Ticket sales at Indy made approximately 4 million. Im not sure how much they make on the vendors,, but they also have an army of workers in the hundreds to pay for the 3 day event. I dont see how a track like Indy can possibly be paying that kind of sanctioning fee for an event that draws 65-70k people. Maybe some kickbacks from the hotel motel associations and the restaurant association and the city itself.

dwoodhouse · Sep 13, 2011

I think it's up to the government to help stump up the fee. The Victorian government has come up with the fee for Tiger Woods to play in the Australian Open for the last couple of years and now the New South Wales government is doing the same thing.

The race does generate a lot of dollars (or euros) in the community so it becomes a broader issue than does the track wish to pay the fee. Clearly the German government did see it as that helpful to its economy.

chopperman · Sep 13, 2011

woody996 said:
I think it's up to the government to help stump up the fee. The Victorian government has come up with the fee for Tiger Woods to play in the Australian Open for the last couple of years and now the New South Wales government is doing the same thing.

The race does generate a lot of dollars (or euros) in the community so it becomes a broader issue than does the track wish to pay the fee. Clearly the German government did see it as that helpful to its economy.

Yeah right

Jumkie · Sep 13, 2011

...., this place gets mega attendance, and the doubling of the ~~extortion~~ sanctioning fee. I think it time for the owners of the tracks to start working together and sending a big .... you to Dorna. They make all the money while everybody else takes the risks.

dwoodhouse · Sep 13, 2011

chopperman said:
Yeah right

Jumkie said:
...., this place gets mega attendance, and the doubling of the ~~extortion~~ sanctioning fee. I think it time for the owners of the tracks to start working together and sending a big .... you to Dorna. They make all the money while everybody else takes the risks.

It's simple supply and demand. If the circuits/countries want it, they pay it. If they don't want it, they won't pay it. Clearly enough countries/states want it otherwise Dorna wouldn't get the required fee and their fee would drop.

Tom · Sep 14, 2011

It best not be Lausitzring, that is a seriously .... track, it'd make Indy feel more at home

chopperman · Sep 14, 2011

woody996 said:
It's simple supply and demand. If the circuits/countries want it, they pay it. If they don't want it, they won't pay it. Clearly enough countries/states want it otherwise Dorna wouldn't get the required fee and their fee would drop.

Why should 60 million people pay to host a sport only 50,000 people want to go and see ?

Goatboy · Sep 14, 2011

chopperman said:
Why should 60 million people pay to host a sport only 50,000 people want to go and see ?

Don't we call that a television license over here?

Keshav · Sep 14, 2011

chopperman said:
Yeah right

Your tax dollars hard at work, getting Tiger free ......

chopperman · Sep 14, 2011

Goatboy said:
Don't we call that a television license over here?

Dont get me started on that !!

Geonerd · Sep 14, 2011

woody996 said:
It's simple supply and demand. If the circuits/countries want it, they pay it. If they don't want it, they won't pay it. Clearly enough countries/states want it otherwise Dorna wouldn't get the required fee and their fee would drop.

There is far more to good business management than simply extorting as much cash as possible from your partners. I have no freaking idea why Carmelo would push so aggressively (doubling the fee?!) to shitcan a popular, historic event. I'll bet you anything the change is more about precious egos and back-stabbing politics than any consideration towards supporting the sport.

Keshav · Sep 14, 2011

Geonerd said:
There is far more to good business management than simply extorting as much cash as possible from your partners. I have no freaking idea why Carmelo would push so aggressively (doubling the fee?!) to shitcan a popular, historic event. I'll bet you anything the change is more about precious egos and back-stabbing politics than any consideration towards supporting the sport.

He wants to store away as much dough as possible before Dorna gets bought our and combined with WSBK.

He's been strangling the golden goose for a long time and wants to get a few eggs before it dies completely.

chopperman · Sep 14, 2011

Geonerd said:
There is far more to good business management than simply extorting as much cash as possible from your partners. I have no freaking idea why Carmelo would push so aggressively (doubling the fee?!) to shitcan a popular, historic event. I'll bet you anything the change is more about precious egos and back-stabbing politics than any consideration towards supporting the sport.

Yup and this is what happens when bean counters and laywers are running the show.

michaelm · Sep 14, 2011

woody996 said:
It's simple supply and demand. If the circuits/countries want it, they pay it. If they don't want it, they won't pay it. Clearly enough countries/states want it otherwise Dorna wouldn't get the required fee and their fee would drop.

That's OK in the short term, which seems to be the perspective from which dorna looks at most things, as well as aping what that crook bernie and his cohorts do with F1, as they also seem to be doing in this case.

The problem in the long term is that you are left with events with no great local support dependent on the whims of governments which can change (both the whims and the governments) quite often on undistinguished tracks with no crowds, which will quite possibly disaffect the overall fanbase of the sport, and quite likely impact even dorna's own long term financial interests seeing most of their income comes from televison/media rights.

povol · Sep 14, 2011

http://motomatters.com/news/2011/09/14/2012_motogp_provisional_calendar_release.html

chopperman said:
Yeah right

The rounds at Jerez, Estoril and in Germany are all labeled "Subject to contract," with doubts especially strong about the Portuguese and German rounds of MotoGP. Estoril has still to sign a contract with Dorna, and given the extreme austerity measures in place in Portugal, the circuit is unlikely to receive much assistances from the Portuguese government.

That quote suggest that in the past, governments have been paying a portion of the sanctioning fee.

povol · Sep 14, 2011

povol said:
http://motomatters.c...ar_release.html

The rounds at Jerez, Estoril and in Germany are all labeled "Subject to contract," with doubts especially strong about the Portuguese and German rounds of MotoGP. Estoril has still to sign a contract with Dorna, and given the extreme austerity measures in place in Portugal, the circuit is unlikely to receive much assistances from the Portuguese government.

That quote suggest that in the past, governments have been paying a portion of the sanctioning fee.

michaelm · Sep 14, 2011

povol said:
http://motomatters.c...ar_release.html

The rounds at Jerez, Estoril and in Germany are all labeled "Subject to contract," with doubts especially strong about the Portuguese and German rounds of MotoGP. Estoril has still to sign a contract with Dorna, and given the extreme austerity measures in place in Portugal, the circuit is unlikely to receive much assistances from the Portuguese government.

That quote suggest that in the past, governments have been paying a portion of the sanctioning fee.

There is much questioning at present from politicians in Victoria , Australia concerning the Australian F1 GP in Melbourne, which including bernie's much more exorbitant sanctioning fee requires tens of millions of dollars of government subsidy.

kieran · Sep 15, 2011

Brilliant! Get rid of another good track - about the only one with a decent race this year, and put in another .... track. Marketing Genius!

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