Rossi vs Elias

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 8 2007, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1.If i was Rossi and i was placing blame, i'd got for the guy on the Kamikaze line barely in control of his bike who crashed into him (on the straight and later in the turn) and then proceeded in his wil slide, barely staying on track himself
Nice try, but you may want to check the tape again, that's hardly how it happened.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ May 8 2007, 01:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>First of all, why do you gotta take a shot at NASCAR like that? Besides, I don't think Elias could reach the pedals.

Anyway, It was refreshing last week to see some Rossi fans coming out and chastising him for that whining post race comments. I guess it lasted for only one week. Here is the thing, regardless of what happened this race, Rossi still made some ..... comments last race. Even if Elias' starts the total destruction of the planet next week, it still doesn't change the fact that the pass he made on your boy was clean, and the sore loser comments that Rossi made about it were chicken ..... So please man, stop rationalizing it, revising history, and spinning it in hindsight. Uhm, just my humble opinion of course.
^^^Hey Jumkie, good to have you back. Even though you disagree with me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ May 8 2007, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>^^^Hey Jumkie, good to have you back. Even though you disagree with me.
Don't take it to heart, I was just having fun. I put the happy face to lighten it up, hope you don't think I was too harsh.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 8 2007, 10:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As if you actually think Jerez 05 is Setes fault, and even if you do reach that wild conclusion,
hardly a wild conclusion tom. i also think sete tryed to out brake on the outside line while rossi was outbreaking sete on the inside line and thats why he ended up in the gravel.setes own fault same thing happened in montegi 03 i think with tamada.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ May 8 2007, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nice try, but you may want to check the tape again, that's hardly how it happened.
seen it a million times thats exactly how it happened but that was before your time i guess. google it mate im sure you will find it somewhere

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 8 2007, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hardly a wild conclusion tom. i also think sete tryed to out brake on the outside line while rossi was outbreaking sete on the inside line and thats why he ended up in the gravel.setes own fault same thing happened in montegi 03 i think with tamada.
seen it a million times thats exactly how it happened but that was before your time i guess. google it mate im sure you will find it somewhere

Shocking, so let me ask you this: Should Rossi have not tried to outbreak Elias on the outside and have chosen a defensive line or just conceded the corner. And what about Hayden in Portugal, i mean it was foolish of him to think he could take the racing line wasn't it?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 8 2007, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, the difference being i formed mine before i ordered my ticket to "Rossi Land", You seem to know your stuff and make some good points, but some of your posts have to be taken with a pinch of salt because of the inherent bias in them. As if you actually think Jerez 05 is Setes fault, and even if you do reach that wild conclusion, shouldn't Rossi (with tire trouble) have known Elias was gonna outbreak him at the circuits primary passing spot and got the hell out the way?

Be assured that I take some of yours with a pinch of salt too.
I don't know what tickets you bought but somthing in the line of "anoyed by Rossi fans" or something like that.
And in case you didn't know: I think you also make some good points.

I did not say it was entierly Sete's fault, but I do think he lost his head, taking that half race, half blocking line, and think that would prevent an attempt. As it was, the contact got hard but only as Sete turned into the race line with Rossi on the inside. A typical race incdient without any serious result. Setes fault was to think he could get away with that line. Rossi's fault was going in to fast and losing the line.
I consider that quite similar to Turkey, with the exceptions mentioned.
Another racing incidient without serious result.

I'm sure Rossi was expecting something comming from behind. But as it hapend he was completly locked between Elias and the outside line as they entered the turn and a very slippery outside.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 8 2007, 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Shocking, so let me ask you this: Should Rossi have not tried to outbreak Elias on the outside and have chosen a defensive line or just conceded the corner. And what about Hayden in Portugal, i mean it was foolish of him to think he could take the racing line wasn't it?
the thing is tom it was the last corner before the finish line you could take the slow in fast out line or the fast in slow out line, guess both wanted the fast out line so the could pick it up quick for the drag race to the finish, sete new exactly what line rossi was taking and exactly where he needed to put his bike so what did sete do, he parked his bike in the way on that line, why didnt he try and out break on the left of rossi ? he chose to pass on the right,thats hardly rossis fault
ps. we were debating the 05 jerez move. turkey is a different thing

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 8 2007, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hardly a wild conclusion tom. i also think sete tryed to out brake on the outside line while rossi was outbreaking sete on the inside line and thats why he ended up in the gravel.setes own fault same thing happened in montegi 03 i think with tamada.
seen it a million times thats exactly how it happened but that was before your time i guess. google it mate im sure you will find it somewhere
Googling...

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Ok, got it.

Wow, Roger and Babel, you guys live on a “wild” imagination. Not even can one arrive at your conclusion on severely Rossie colored glasses, so I thought, but you have broken all parameters of mindless cheerleading. Come on guys, Jerez 05 is not even disputable. You guys really do your cause a disfavor by trying to revise history. But I'm loving it, because it really exposes your biases.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 8 2007, 11:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. I don't know what tickets you bought but somthing in the line of "anoyed by Rossi fans" or something like that.
And in case you didn't know: I think you also make some good points.


I'm sure Rossi was expecting something comming from behind. But as it hapend he was completly locked between Elias and the outside line as they entered the turn and a very slippery outside.

1. I sometimes find myself frustrated by those who hold tickets to the "Rossi show" but i really have nothing against the man himself.

2. So Rossi was at fault for attempting to out break Toni on the outside, if he was expecting the pass he should have braked in good time and made use of a superior line in the following turns.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ May 8 2007, 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Googling...

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Ok, got it.

Wow, Roger and Babel, you guys live on a “wild” imagination. Not even can one arrive at your conclusion on severely Rossie colored glasses, so I thought, but you have broken all parameters of mindless cheerleading. Come on guys, Jerez 05 is not even disputable. You guys really do your cause a disfavor by trying to revise history. But I'm loving it, because it really exposes your biases.
ok then jumkie, then why do you think race control took no action depite sete crying like a baby and his team lodging official complaints. ill tell you why..read my prevous post.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 8 2007, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I did not say it was entierly Sete's fault, but I do think he lost his head,
Backpedaling alert.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 8 2007, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ok then jumkie, then why do you think race control took no action depite sete crying like a baby and his team lodging official complaints. ill tell you why..read my prevous post.
That's an easy one. They are reluctant to reprimand the beloved one, just like that fantom yellow flag at PI.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ May 8 2007, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's an easy one. They are reluctant to reprimand the beloved one, just like that fantom yellow flag at PI.
now you have shown your hand mate.............rossi hater
the reason is ,as with the overtaking move on rossi at turkey,it didnt warrent it,nothing to do with favortism. riders and teams complain about eachother all the time and you wait when all those american dollars start flowing into the sport it will get even worse.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 8 2007, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>as with the overtaking move on rossi at turkey,it didnt warrent it,nothing to do with favortism.
Disagree buddy, I know alittle about favortism, I live in the land of Michael Jordan.

So now I got a question, since you bring up Sete "crying like a baby", why have you been so reluctant to call Rossi's comments "crying like a baby?" Afterall, the race control, as you said, didn't reprimand Elias, so perhaps race control's message is Rossi has nothing to complain about; but ......., you would think Toni is Satan the way a few select fans have dumped on him. eh?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ May 8 2007, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So now I got a question, since you bring up Sete "crying like a baby", why have you been so reluctant to call Rossi's comments "crying like a baby?" Afterall, the race control, as you said, didn't reprimand Elias, so perhaps race control's message is Rossi has nothing to complain about; but ......., you would think Toni is Satan the way a few select fans have dumped on him. eh?
well to answer you question mate, purly i have not seen any footage of him crying like a baby. this was brought up in a thread earler and no one could direct me to this footage and the only person mentioned to have seen anything was tinks.
now i have read some news reports on what he said and i found the interpretation to be bias and because of this i said i would hold my judgement.
mabe you can provide me with this video footage of rossi whinning.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 8 2007, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>now i have read some news reports on what he said and i found the interpretation to be bias and because of this i said i would hold my judgement.
mabe you can provide me with this video footage of rossi whinning.
Haha, that's great. One person on this site convinces you that the interpretation is bias and you swallow hook, line, and sinker. Or perhaps you've been taking some Italian courses and have it on first hand personal knowledge, eh?

Well let me translate what he said for you. Lets see, oh yeah, umh, "Hey guys, Toni isn't playing fair in the playground, he's so dangerous." {insert baby crying noises here}This translation has been approved by three independent UN interpreters, certified accurate.

Here is the bias and inaccurate Italian translation:Comments Roger refuses to accept here

There is a saying in Spanish: La verdad no peca pero incomoda. Translation: The truth doesn't sin but does makes you feel uncomfortable. Kinda like the English saying: The truth hurts.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 8 2007, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, the difference being i formed mine before i ordered my ticket to "Rossi Land", You seem to know your stuff and make some good points, but some of your posts have to be taken with a pinch of salt because of the inherent bias in them. As if you actually think Jerez 05 is Setes fault, and even if you do reach that wild conclusion, shouldn't Rossi (with tire trouble) have known Elias was gonna outbreak him at the circuits primary passing spot and got the hell out the way?

Yes, it was a tire problem since before Elias overtaken maneuver, say no more!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 9 2007, 07:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ok then jumkie, then why do you think race control took no action depite sete crying like a baby and his team lodging official complaints. ill tell you why..read my prevous post.
Gibernau didn't cry like a baby, at least not straight after the race. He opted to take the high road. Team Gresini didn't lodge a protest.

Over the next two weeks until the following race, stuff about his glass collarbone and some media-fueled chesting beating from both camps kept the incident in the headlines.

The FIM did take the extraordinary step of writing a letter to both Rossi and Gibernau warning them to cool it.

Elias has never gotten a warning letter from the FIM...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 8 2007, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>mabe you can provide me with this video footage of rossi whinning.
Let me help you out. Ok, I wanted to let it go but you're gonna force the issue Roger because your denial is annoying. Here are your boys words, as far as video footage, its not gonna be hard to imagine:

Rossi's comments about Elias:

"I'm very disappointed with Elias because he was very unfair with me," Rossi told Italia1 television.

He's so "unfair"...Boohoo...

"Obviously we're all racing, but he had already overtaken me, and when he came on my side he tried to push me out and make me fall on purpose.

What? That's criminal! He tried to do this "on purpose"! .... they shouldn't report this to racing control, they should call the police!

"I don't think that's fair behaviour. There are other words than 'unfair' coming up in my mind, but I'll leave them to the imagination.

Ah, come on, if you can run Sete and Randy off the track, you can certainly cuss, we give you permission.

"He had already tried to come to apologise another time after the chequered flag. I'll say no more, I owe him twice, so I'll see him in China."

What? Toni tried to make things right and talk to you like a man, but you turned him down and pouted like a little girl throwing a temper tantrum? Ah, that's "gracious" for you if I have ever seen it. Maybe they have Rossi's picture posted up in the dictionary under "gracious", but I'm thinking he should be under "chicken .... cry baby". And he ended it with: I'm gonna get you back. Where have I heard that before, oh yeah, it was in the sand box playground when I was in the 3rd grade.

"I think he has a rather unfair way of riding with everyone. He had already overtaken me, so there was no need to throw me out.

Oh, he threw you out now? Ah, I seem to recall you being outbroken but too stubborn to realize it.

"We know these things among riders. So now we know, and we'll know how to behave next time we meet him."

Hey, that sounds like a threat. This is code for: I'm gonna get you sucka." Yeah, not being critical here ha Roger?

Dude, you crack me up with your spinning of his crying. Just accept it for what it is, he stuck his foot in his mouth. Like a little ......

Ok, I didn't want to get medieval but Burky called me out. I'm still your buddy right Rog?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 8 2007, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't really understand your point here. I didn't think we were talking about Stoner, but he is the most whining rider on the grid by miles and i don't bother taking his moaning too seriously. Also i was talking about 21/22 races not years, so not much bigger than a season
He broke Gibernau's collarbone and put Lucio Checchinello's wallet in intensive care.

Sorry Tom must have come out wrongly and also mixed the ‘years’ with ‘races’… I meant that incidents between riders also happen at practices.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ May 8 2007, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyway, I do think it’s part of the risk, they’re ‘Racing Incidents’ ok. But what Elias needs to do is learn from his mistakes as any other good rider has, this in respect to others, but the main thing I see is that he has to deal with this increase in risk himself, towards his own results. Maybe he’ll just keep on losing important points or contributing to the loss of others, hope not hurting anyone. As an example we obviously have Rossi/Jerez last year. But this season, and now that Hayden is struggling to get the grips with the bike, man, has Elias lower his chances of leveling up a bit! What if Elias takes him down again? Or maybe it’ll be Hopkins now that finally he’s up for a podium, in which case I see an ‘kicked in the butt’ Elias. Or maybe it’ll be Pedrosa now that Honda is struggling with their bike, so Elias could anti-help the cause! You never know mate and life works in a mysterious way (nah, to philosophical that last bit!)…

But none has answered my doubt; I mean there are 6 more Honda riders, all of whom want space at first lap turns too, with everyone else… So, did Elias learn something? Or chances are higher for him to take down another Honda rider? It’s all part of the risk; I just love how life works!

What about a Suzuki rider, now that Hopkins is up there?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ May 9 2007, 03:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Toni tried to make things right and talk to you like a man, but you turned him down and pouted like a little girl throwing a temper tantrum?

I might be mistaken but I think Rossi is refering to the Jerez accident last year, where Toni came to applogize. And Rossi didn't turn him down. I've heard nothing about any appologize after turkey.

I don't mind your bashing of rossi over the Turkey incident, even though you seem to mean that this is different from Jerez in'05. I guess that just shows <u>your</u> bias. But you don't have to make it worse than it is, do you?.