<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ May 6 2007, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As long as Toni realises his mistake he shouldn't be punished. Blaming it on Hayden braking was a bit much though.
Doesn't sound like he's going to be a fast learner
Doesn't sound like he's going to be a fast learner
I'd say hes ok. His "dangerous riding" is blown out fo proportion because some of its happened near Rossi. The Jerez thing was really nothing, it happens and its just unfortunate it happened to the championship favorite. The turkey move was actually clean, it was just rossi making a fuss to the media that blew it out of proportion. And this weekend he actually did make a dnagerous and foolish mistake, but most riders have at some point, so its very harsh to be screaming for him to be banned or punished because he isn't a softie.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 7 2007, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd say hes ok. His "dangerous riding" is blown out fo proportion because some of its happened near Rossi. The Jerez thing was really nothing, it happens and its just unfortunate it happened to the championship favorite. The turkey move was actually clean, it was just rossi making a fuss to the media that blew it out of proportion. And this weekend he actually did make a dnagerous and foolish mistake, but most riders have at some point, so its very harsh to be screaming for him to be banned or punished because he isn't a softie.
+1
Well said Tom.
Don't really understand why some people are complaining really..
He's the type of rider who belongs in MotoGP, he makes things more interesting..
+1
Well said Tom.
Don't really understand why some people are complaining really..
He's the type of rider who belongs in MotoGP, he makes things more interesting..
so ,does everybody still feel rossi was whinning or being a sore loser or do you fell like me that he has a point.
yes there all "racing incidents"but when its always the same rider involved and riders has complained i think you have to sit up and take notice.
imo the people who try and defend him by saying "but he's exciting to watch" are more than likely the same people who like watching the crashes but i wouldnt expect them to admit that.
elias blames others for his mistakes but takes no flak for it but we have a whole thread devoted to rossis complaint.
yes there all "racing incidents"but when its always the same rider involved and riders has complained i think you have to sit up and take notice.
imo the people who try and defend him by saying "but he's exciting to watch" are more than likely the same people who like watching the crashes but i wouldnt expect them to admit that.
elias blames others for his mistakes but takes no flak for it but we have a whole thread devoted to rossis complaint.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 6 2007, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Elias got a hot head coming from the back of the grid and made a very foolish mistake. It is very unfortunate that other riders have to pay for these errors but they do happen. I don't think Toni is too dangerous or that he needs to be penalised or anyhting like that.He's got a hot head for sure, it's why I like him. It's a pretty typical scenario though, some guy who can run at the front has a ...... qualifying, then tries a bit too hard in turn one to make up places. He got unlucky. Sometimes you try stuff like that and it works and sometimes it just doesn't. These guys are all so close in lap times that incidents like this in turn 1 are inevitable from time to time.
The rest of you guys, can you tell me where Elias was blaming Hayden's braking for the crash? Going from the quotes on motogp.com, nobody is really blaming anybody. Put up a link or something.
The rest of you guys, can you tell me where Elias was blaming Hayden's braking for the crash? Going from the quotes on motogp.com, nobody is really blaming anybody. Put up a link or something.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ May 7 2007, 07:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He's got a hot head for sure, it's why I like him. It's a pretty typical scenario though, some guy who can run at the front has a ...... qualifying, then tries a bit too hard in turn one to make up places. He got unlucky. Sometimes you try stuff like that and it works and sometimes it just doesn't. These guys are all so close in lap times that incidents like this in turn 1 are inevitable from time to time.
The rest of you guys, can you tell me where Elias was blaming Hayden's braking for the crash? Going from the quotes on motogp.com, nobody is really blaming anybody. Put up a link or something.
<u>"I was behind Hayden when he was closing his line towards the kerb and I had no choice but to collide with his rear wheel and crash," said Elias...</u>
http://www.crash.net/news_View~cid~6~id~147518.htm
'No Choice'... Crap on Elias, it's not like he is admitting his mistake is it?
But we've never have had a similar case with someone admitting his error unless we look way back in history up to, let me Google it... oh, ok, found it: Istanbul 07! There Jaque admitted his mistake!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gui22a @ May 6 2007, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I thought Rossi in best case would finished in 3rd/4th, but his tires and bike top speed surprised me.
Rossi’s top speed surprised you… he’s 8th in line with no less than the 4 Ducatis above!
Rossi’s tires surprised you… No less than 4th for Predosa’s Michelins too!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ May 6 2007, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We wont bite, but they will probably run into the back of us.
Pete
They're just playing mind games on us!
The rest of you guys, can you tell me where Elias was blaming Hayden's braking for the crash? Going from the quotes on motogp.com, nobody is really blaming anybody. Put up a link or something.
<u>"I was behind Hayden when he was closing his line towards the kerb and I had no choice but to collide with his rear wheel and crash," said Elias...</u>
http://www.crash.net/news_View~cid~6~id~147518.htm
'No Choice'... Crap on Elias, it's not like he is admitting his mistake is it?
But we've never have had a similar case with someone admitting his error unless we look way back in history up to, let me Google it... oh, ok, found it: Istanbul 07! There Jaque admitted his mistake!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gui22a @ May 6 2007, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I thought Rossi in best case would finished in 3rd/4th, but his tires and bike top speed surprised me.
Rossi’s top speed surprised you… he’s 8th in line with no less than the 4 Ducatis above!
Rossi’s tires surprised you… No less than 4th for Predosa’s Michelins too!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ May 6 2007, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We wont bite, but they will probably run into the back of us.
Pete
They're just playing mind games on us!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ May 7 2007, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'><u>"I was behind Hayden when he was closing his line towards the kerb and I had no choice but to collide with his rear wheel and crash," said Elias...</u>
.... me, you guys really don't like Elias do you? I read that quote in motogp.com and didn't take it either as pointing the blame at Hayden or as an admission of guilt. If you knew anything about racing you'd know in a first turn sometimes you have no choice. This is funny .....
The first turn is all of them packed up ok... But there's a difference between Jaque's last race comment and Elias 'No Choice'!
They all won’t say the same things, but Elias messed up and is not apologizing is he?
PS. So tell me about ‘Knowing racing’… come on, not admitting it makes him look worse!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ May 6 2007, 08:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not seen the race yet, but seen the result.
So, people were saying, Rossi is past it and Elias is not a liability. Anyone feeling that they may have spoken too soon?
I'll see the race before I say too much. Long way to go.
Pete
'Egg heads' were mentioned somewhere back then I think!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 5 2007, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sadly, they'll continue to marvel at their own demagoguery.
Eat your heart out!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ May 4 2007, 05:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stonerossi, shut the .... up and race. Man up boys, this is MotoGP.
Props to Elias for getting into their heads.
That’s some mind games from the garage at Shanghai Elias gave them!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Desmo_16 @ May 5 2007, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Elias is just riding the way he rides and everyone is just gunna have to deal with it...
Including Elias himself!
PS. So we'll just tell Hayden it was his fault! (heard that before)...
elias just trying to make up to much ground to fast from a .... starting position. we've seen it many times before.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ May 6 2007, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Blaming it on Hayden braking was a bit much though.
it was a joke goat...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 7 2007, 07:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>so ,does everybody still feel rossi was whinning or being a sore loser or do you fell like me that he has a point.
whinner sore losser.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ May 7 2007, 08:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
.... me, you guys really don't like Elias do you? I read that quote in motogp.com and didn't take it either as pointing the blame at Hayden or as an admission of guilt. If you knew anything about racing you'd know in a first turn sometimes you have no choice. This is funny .....
it is ain't it!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ May 6 2007, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Blaming it on Hayden braking was a bit much though.
it was a joke goat...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 7 2007, 07:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>so ,does everybody still feel rossi was whinning or being a sore loser or do you fell like me that he has a point.
whinner sore losser.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ May 7 2007, 08:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ May 7 2007, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>elias just trying to make up to much ground to fast from a .... starting position. we've seen it many times before.
And that make it OK?
I didn't like it then and I don't like it now.
Capirossi had too many of those a few years back and I hated it. He has changed and gotten a lot more resposible.
That kind of racing is what you shold learn to lay off in the smaller clases where the speed and weight are much lower.
If Elias is not blaming Hayden at least he is blaming the events and he does it wrongfully so. Hayden didn't close his line, he did however slow down a tiny bit as he got intimidated of de puniet on the outside. He was on the same line as elias and there is no way Elias could get through there. Blaming something what happened on the events are the same as not making an applogy, and making up excuses for a very bad judgment.
Shows that he has learned nothing and might be just a dangerous in later events.
This epiosode make me wonder if Rossi wasn't out of line after all.
There are lots of tiny details we can't possibly see on the telly, and what we did see was at least one touch totally uncalled for. Maybe, just maybe there were some of those unseen details together with what we saw that made Rossi burst out. Besides, the guy seem to have a reputation in the padock so again maybe it's a lot more hold to what Rossi said after all.
And that make it OK?
I didn't like it then and I don't like it now.
Capirossi had too many of those a few years back and I hated it. He has changed and gotten a lot more resposible.
That kind of racing is what you shold learn to lay off in the smaller clases where the speed and weight are much lower.
If Elias is not blaming Hayden at least he is blaming the events and he does it wrongfully so. Hayden didn't close his line, he did however slow down a tiny bit as he got intimidated of de puniet on the outside. He was on the same line as elias and there is no way Elias could get through there. Blaming something what happened on the events are the same as not making an applogy, and making up excuses for a very bad judgment.
Shows that he has learned nothing and might be just a dangerous in later events.
This epiosode make me wonder if Rossi wasn't out of line after all.
There are lots of tiny details we can't possibly see on the telly, and what we did see was at least one touch totally uncalled for. Maybe, just maybe there were some of those unseen details together with what we saw that made Rossi burst out. Besides, the guy seem to have a reputation in the padock so again maybe it's a lot more hold to what Rossi said after all.
so fish your having a problem with the fact that elias does not seem to be accepting responsibility for the crash & not apologising like oj?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ May 7 2007, 09:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>so fish your having a problem with the fact that elias does not seem to be accepting responsibility for the crash & not apologising like oj?
What if Elias had taken Stoner instead of Hayden? What would be said? ‘It’s racing!’…
What if Elias had taken Rossi instead of Hayden? What would be said? ‘It’s racing!’…
What if Elias had taken Hopkins instead of Hayden? What would be said? ‘It’s racing!’…
Poor old Barros and Hofmann, they were in it too and need respect also… Yes, Elias has a lot of apologizing to do!
What if Elias had taken Stoner instead of Hayden? What would be said? ‘It’s racing!’…
What if Elias had taken Rossi instead of Hayden? What would be said? ‘It’s racing!’…
What if Elias had taken Hopkins instead of Hayden? What would be said? ‘It’s racing!’…
Poor old Barros and Hofmann, they were in it too and need respect also… Yes, Elias has a lot of apologizing to do!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ May 7 2007, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>so fish your having a problem with the fact that elias does not seem to be accepting responsibility for the crash & not apologising like oj?
Me personally don't have a problem with that. 99% of the time I look at what the riders do, what they say is mainly bullsit anyway, especially right after the race.
Looking at what he does I find it a bit too early to have any strong opinion, but anoter take-out like that within the next few races and I will call him wreckless and dangerous.
He is riding like Rossi do in his most motivated moments. Very much on the edge, lots of two wheel slides and so on, and it's entertaining but also dangerous. The difference is that Elias does it most of the time, Rossi only when absolutly nessesary to win. He saves his luck for the important moments, Elias are wasting his and will fail more often doing so. He seems a bit over confident, but it remains to be seen if he actually learn from his mistakes or continue bumping into everyone on his way through the field. His spoken words doesn't sound like he learnd much but even so he might se a video or two, and make a different conclusion in the end.
Me personally don't have a problem with that. 99% of the time I look at what the riders do, what they say is mainly bullsit anyway, especially right after the race.
Looking at what he does I find it a bit too early to have any strong opinion, but anoter take-out like that within the next few races and I will call him wreckless and dangerous.
He is riding like Rossi do in his most motivated moments. Very much on the edge, lots of two wheel slides and so on, and it's entertaining but also dangerous. The difference is that Elias does it most of the time, Rossi only when absolutly nessesary to win. He saves his luck for the important moments, Elias are wasting his and will fail more often doing so. He seems a bit over confident, but it remains to be seen if he actually learn from his mistakes or continue bumping into everyone on his way through the field. His spoken words doesn't sound like he learnd much but even so he might se a video or two, and make a different conclusion in the end.
I won't apologise to nobody
. So, I am no expert in this area so I don't know who to blame about that incident. But faulty or not, but for me Elias driving style is the most spectacular on the grid, crazy or not. So I hope he will finish next race. He is just a God on a bike
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 7 2007, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Me personally don't have a problem with that. 99% of the time I look at what the riders do, what they say is mainly bullsit anyway, especially right after the race.
Looking at what he does I find it a bit too early to have any strong opinion, but anoter take-out like that within the next few races and I will call him wreckless and dangerous.
He is riding like Rossi do in his most motivated moments. Very much on the edge, lots of two wheel slides and so on, and it's entertaining but also dangerous. The difference is that Elias does it most of the time, Rossi only when absolutly nessesary to win. He saves his luck for the important moments, Elias are wasting his and will fail more often doing so. He seems a bit over confident, but it remains to be seen if he actually learn from his mistakes or continue bumping into everyone on his way through the field. His spoken words doesn't sound like he learnd much but even so he might se a video or two, and make a different conclusion in the end.
ahhh... good clarification. yeah we will have to see if he learned that u can't win the race in the 1st lap!
Looking at what he does I find it a bit too early to have any strong opinion, but anoter take-out like that within the next few races and I will call him wreckless and dangerous.
He is riding like Rossi do in his most motivated moments. Very much on the edge, lots of two wheel slides and so on, and it's entertaining but also dangerous. The difference is that Elias does it most of the time, Rossi only when absolutly nessesary to win. He saves his luck for the important moments, Elias are wasting his and will fail more often doing so. He seems a bit over confident, but it remains to be seen if he actually learn from his mistakes or continue bumping into everyone on his way through the field. His spoken words doesn't sound like he learnd much but even so he might se a video or two, and make a different conclusion in the end.
ahhh... good clarification. yeah we will have to see if he learned that u can't win the race in the 1st lap!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ May 7 2007, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ahhh... good clarification. yeah we will have to see if he learned that u can't win the race in the 1st lap!
Yeah frosty (we agree a lot lately)… Ok, I take it back myself (sorry) and as was said, ‘Elias doesn’t need to apologize, just needs to learn from mistakes!’… right on!
Yeah frosty (we agree a lot lately)… Ok, I take it back myself (sorry) and as was said, ‘Elias doesn’t need to apologize, just needs to learn from mistakes!’… right on!
Looking at the crash on Sunday Elias is to blame, Rossi had a valid point, but no one has mentioned that Stoner has also made a complaint about Elias this was in free practice in Turkey.
Anyway Elias has peaked early so we will not see him for the rest of the season.
Anyway Elias has peaked early so we will not see him for the rest of the season.
