Rossi vs Elias

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 9 2007, 07:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I might be mistaken but I think Rossi is refering to the Jerez accident last year, where Toni came to applogize. And Rossi didn't turn him down. I've heard nothing about any appologize after turkey.

I don't mind your bashing of rossi over the Turkey incident, even though you seem to mean that this is different from Jerez in'05. I guess that just shows <u>your</u> bias. But you don't have to make it worse than it is, do you?.

Well the bit that particularly bothered me in Rossi's interview was the "owe him twice" comment. But if the apology from Jerez 06 was accepted then it wouldn't be twice and that would be over. Not to mention the fact that the track is no place for childish revenge (remember Assen qualifying 05).

Also i would like to just point out to those who consider Elias to be a danger to other riders but think Rossi is Mr innocent, both of Vale's 2005 season incidents caused injury to the other rider involved. Remember the foot peg in Marco's leg and Sete's shoulder injury. The more you think about it, the more these accusations at Toni Elias make Rossi look significantly more dangerous.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ May 9 2007, 12:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Haha, that's great. One person on this site convinces you that the interpretation is bias and you swallow hook, line, and sinker. Or perhaps you've been taking some Italian courses and have it on first hand personal knowledge, eh?
actualt i wasnt a person on the forum who convinced me if you read the post properly,it was an artical i read,it was the link that was posted.
it was the first line of the artical that stank of bias to me.

Valentino Rossi was heavily critical of Toni Elias after they made contact early in the Turkish Grand Prix

link

just like when they said biaggi made a scathing attack on motogp,but when we actualy got to see the man saying this we all desided it was jurno bias bvaying for blood.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 9 2007, 09:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not to mention the fact that the track is no place for childish revenge (remember Assen qualifying 05).

Are you referring to Biaggi mounting a WCM in Quali? Or another incident?

Either way I could do with my mind refreshing on both!

All I remember is Biaggi mounting the bike, then Marco gives him a slap on track?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ May 9 2007, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you referring to Biaggi mounting a WCM in Quali? Or another incident?

Either way I could do with my mind refreshing on both!

All I remember is Biaggi mounting the bike, then Marco gives him a slap on track?

Yes it was Biaggi who made a forceful move on Marco for intimidation purposes and after the session finished Marco was childish enough to go hard underneath Biaggi to unsettle him, i believe they both got a slap on the wrist and there is certainly no place for that behavior on the track.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 9 2007, 06:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I might be mistaken but I think Rossi is refering to the Jerez accident last year, where Toni came to applogize. And Rossi didn't turn him down. I've heard nothing about any appologize after turkey.

I don't mind your bashing of rossi over the Turkey incident, even though you seem to mean that this is different from Jerez in'05. I guess that just shows <u>your</u> bias. But you don't have to make it worse than it is, do you?.
Again caught you with the word Bias. What does Bias mean according to you ? Having another opinion than yours ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 9 2007, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Again caught you with the word Bias. What does Bias mean according to you ? Having another opinion than yours ?

Where was my bias in that post?
I think Jumkie might have missunderstood the Rossi interview. Others seem to agree. I might be wrong as I said, but instad of accusing me of being biased at least make an effort to show me why.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ May 8 2007, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't take it to heart, I was just having fun. I put the happy face to lighten it up, hope you don't think I was too harsh.
^^^ Not at all my friend!! Very few people can argue their point as effectively as you.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ May 8 2007, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"He had already tried to come to apologise another time after the chequered flag. I'll say no more, I owe him twice, so I'll see him in China."
Babel, I understand it to be that Toni had tried to apologize to Rossi twice, the second time being after this year's Turkey race.

So if that's the case, then Toni has tried to pacify Rossi by making an effort to make amends. It sound like the first time it happened, Rossi accepted his apology, but not this time after Turkey. This is why he makes the schoolyard comment of saying, "so I'll see him in China." as a thinly veiled threat.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 9 2007, 10:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Jumkie might have missunderstood the Rossi interview.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ May 10 2007, 02:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Babel, I understand it to be that Toni had tried to apologize to Rossi twice, the second time being after this year's Turkey race.RJ, I don't think Elias apologised at all after Turkey, in fact the opposite. In the post race interview, when asked what he thought of Rossi's comments on the subject of safety, a defiant Elias said that if he was in the same position as Valentino, he'd keep qiuet. Legend.

Just looked into another GP forum (sorry ben) and saw a different opinion on the Turkey accident.

Hayden and Rossi were the last two to get through without being influenced by the crash.
Guess who stormed in on the inside in turn one, crossing the racing line in front of those two and forcing them to brake, and therby forcing Edwards and the others to brake as well?

I'm not going to put further blame on Elias but I thought it was an interesting observation.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 10 2007, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just looked into another GP forum (sorry ben) and saw a different opinion on the Turkey accident.

Hayden and Rossi were the last two to get through without being influenced by the crash.
Guess who stormed in on the inside in turn one, crossing the racing line in front of those two and forcing them to brake, and therby forcing Edwards and the others to brake as well?

I'm not going to put further blame on Elias but I thought it was an interesting observation.You mean the China accident fish?

Here's an interesting point. I looked at the footage on the motogp site of the China turn 1 crash and you know who pulls right accross Haydens line, visibly baulking him just before Elais hits his back wheel..DePuniet. After the helicopter shot we've all seen, there's about 6/7 secs of onboard with Hayden just before the crash. DePuniet cuts accross him so close you'd almost think he was gonna take out Nicky's front wheel. I know that sometimes distances on those onboard cameras can be deceptive but man he cuts accross real close. On the overhead shot, it's clear that Hayden hesitates as a result in anticipation of him hitting the back of DePuniets Kawasaki, and immediately after, Elias connects with Nicky's back wheel. Check it out, it makes for a different take on whose fault it was. On close inspection of that video ( about two dozen times ) I couldn't say who was to blame, if anyone at all. Elias was in hot for sure but the fact that something happenned between DePuniet and Hayden is an undeniable factor. In addition it happens just where guys are getting on the gas so a split second's hesitation can make a lot of difference. Interesting thing is, given that the DePuniet move is so obvious, Nicky never once mentioned it in his account of what happened.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 9 2007, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Where was my bias in that post?
I think Jumkie might have missunderstood the Rossi interview. Others seem to agree. I might be wrong as I said, but instad of accusing me of being biased at least make an effort to show me why.
Dear Babish,

You didn't really understand my previous post. You were calling someone else biased. You called me biased. It looks to me that everytime someone disagrees with you, you call him biased. So I guess your definition of being biased is different than mine ...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ May 10 2007, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You mean the China accident fish?

Here's an interesting point. I looked at the footage on the motogp site of the China turn 1 crash and you know who pulls right accross Haydens line, visibly baulking him just before Elais hits his back wheel..DePuniet. After the helicopter shot we've all seen, there's about 6/7 secs of onboard with Hayden just before the crash. DePuniet cuts accross him so close you'd almost think he was gonna take out Nicky's front wheel. I know that sometimes distances on those onboard cameras can be deceptive but man he cuts accross real close. On the overhead shot, it's clear that Hayden hesitates as a result in anticipation of him hitting the back of DePuniets Kawasaki, and immediately after, Elias connects with Nicky's back wheel. Check it out, it makes for a different take on whose fault it was. On close inspection of that video ( about two dozen times ) I couldn't say who was to blame, if anyone at all. Elias was in hot for sure but the fact that something happenned between DePuniet and Hayden is an undeniable factor. In addition it happens just where guys are getting on the gas so a split second's hesitation can make a lot of difference. Interesting thing is, given that the DePuniet move is so obvious, Nicky never once mentioned it in his account of what happened.


I don't think you can blame anyone. They were just riding very close at each other and the smallest irregularity can cause a major accident.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 10 2007, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think you can blame anyone. They were just riding very close at each other and the smallest irregularity can cause a major accident.That's exactly what I'm saying. Elias is getting an unfair rap on this one just because of his style and 'that pass'

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 10 2007, 06:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just looked into another GP forum (sorry ben) and saw a different opinion on the Turkey accident.
Hey me too, (sorry ben).

And they said it was Rossi's fault for that crash in China. (Yeah, its right there on tonieliaswildracingexplinationsforum.com)

This is just indicative of Rossi's inflated ego. He doesn't mind a battle if he wins it but how dare anyone stand up to him.

I say bravo to Elias for having the balls to stand up to him.

tobe fair to God, if i was him, i think my ego would be rather inflated too!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (payne by name @ May 10 2007, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is just indicative of Rossi's inflated ego. He doesn't mind a battle if he wins it but how dare anyone stand up to him.

I say bravo to Elias for having the balls to stand up to him.
ummm, thought i read somwhere that stoner also made a complaint about elias

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 10 2007, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ummm, thought i read somwhere that stoner also made a complaint about elias

he did ..... to the BBC guy, hmm cant think if it was Turkey or China..

Although Stonerbot is no doubt a good racer, hes a ........ more so than god when it comes to bitchin'!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 10 2007, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dear Babish,

You didn't really understand my previous post. You were calling someone else biased. You called me biased. It looks to me that everytime someone disagrees with you, you call him biased. So I guess your definition of being biased is different than mine ...

Well, then i misunderstood. And I'm sure your definition is different, and I feel pretty safe assuming that everyone that have been reading your posts agree that you are very biased in your posts.
Btw, lot's of people use the b word here, just watch.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ May 10 2007, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You mean the China accident fish?
I'm sure you saw I was writing about Turkey?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Here's an interesting point. I looked at the footage on the motogp site of the China turn 1 crash and you know who pulls right accross Haydens line,

This was my first post on the subject:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>If Elias is not blaming Hayden at least he is blaming the events and he does it wrongfully so. Hayden didn't close his line, he did however slow down a tiny bit as he got intimidated of de puniet on the outside. He was on the same line as elias and there is no way Elias could get through there. Blaming something what happened on the events are the same as not making an applogy, and making up excuses for a very bad judgment.

So I was well aware of the situation, allthough I now now that Hayden did indeed, as eveyone get closer to the inside as it is used as a second apex at that point, powering out of the turn, but anyway, my point was that it was a totally predictable line.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ May 10 2007, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey me too, (sorry ben).

And they said it was Rossi's fault for that crash in China. (Yeah, its right there on tonieliaswildracingexplinationsforum.com)


And how exactly was that happening?