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Rossi - Today’s Racers Not Men But Children

Kropotkin said:
Interesting little factlet. The posted article is by Colin Young, a veteran journalist who also works for AMCN. Young wasn't actually at that debrief, but he works with Matt Birt of MCN. It was Birt who asked that question and got that response out of Rossi.



I have to say that at the moment, all of the press are trying to squeeze quotes out of riders, not just the Italian (and Spanish) media, the English media are just as bad. All of these spats are clearly selling papers, which is why they are all over the media.
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Quite correct



My point is, there is a lot more media than previously, and what used to lay on the copy room floor now makes it to print (or net or whatever), thus making comparisons between era's somewhat redundant.



With everyone looking for an angle or a unique take it goes a lot further than it used to. I am not criticizing this, I am just saying that comparing one era to another is a bit silly, it detracts from what happens where it matters, on the racetrack
 
Kropotkin said:
Interesting little factlet. The posted article is by Colin Young, a veteran journalist who also works for AMCN. Young wasn't actually at that debrief, but he works with Matt Birt of MCN. It was Birt who asked that question and got that response out of Rossi.



I have to say that at the moment, all of the press are trying to squeeze quotes out of riders, not just the Italian (and Spanish) media, the English media are just as bad. All of these spats are clearly selling papers, which is why they are all over the media.
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Quite correct



My point is, there is a lot more media than previously, and what used to lay on the copy room floor now makes it to print (or net or whatever), thus making comparisons between era's somewhat redundant.



With everyone looking for an angle or a unique take it goes a lot further than it used to. I am not criticizing this, I am just saying that comparing one era to another is a bit silly, it detracts from what happens where it matters, on the racetrack
 
Talpa said:
Yes I agree Arrab......but surely you must apply your logic to 'Big Banger' and 'Povol' for the initial incitement in bringing up the shoulder? Then equally apply it the Stoner's detractors.
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that's exactly what i wanted to tell to the Ethics master. he doesn't have any problem when he reads the negatives about Rossi, but somehow he should play the advocate role against Rossi fans. he is even allergic to user names of Rossi fan.
 
rossiofsky said:
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that's exactly what i wanted to tell to the Ethics master. he doesn't have any problem when he reads the negatives about Rossi, but somehow he should play the advocate role against Rossi fans. he is even allergic to user names of Rossi fan.
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Sorry, it's hard for me to reply to this on the basis of your member name.
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The Ethics Master!! I like that - I think that we should rename our forum moderators 'Ethics Masters'



Really, given the volume of bandwagon jumpers, glory hunters and fanboys on this site Valentino is scarcely in need of any further defenders of the faith. It was Valentino that opined that today's racers are not men but children - so hence the 'shoulder' quip was directed at him. On the occasions that CS has made similar hypocritical and ludicrous statements I have remained similarly reticent. The difference is, that instead of spawning two posts it would have resulted in several thousand pages and a multitude of associated threads.



I have leapt to the defence of Rossi on many occasions in the face of some absurd assertions - very often the genuine 'haters' as you guys like to term it - and there are a few, such as Pinky - are simply trolling and do not warrant a reply. If you really need an example of my jumping to your cause, then simply check out Scotty's recent posts which actually fell into the latter category and didn't deserve not only a reply but the time it took to read them.



I have consistently praised Valentino - who I I regard as still the most complete racer out there - a phenomena - and see as the complete embodiment of the all the luminaries of this sport manifested in one rider: The raw talent of Spencer or Hailwood, the tenacity of Doohan, the daring of Schwantz, the outward charisma of Sheene etc etc. I just don't particularly care for him as an individual, and I believe that he is bigger than the sport itself.



I want all these guys to stay upright, to remain injury free, and to wrest points and race victories off one another in order that the season can go down to the wire. There are guys on here that seem to be quite happy to see Valentino cruise to victory by a country mile circa 2002 every other weekend - and could well be rewarded next season when the new Ducati is rolled out. I am truly neutral - I just want to see close racing, with all the chief protagonists involved. I certainly wouldn't wish a DNF on Vale, or on the few occasions that he has crashed out of a race celebrate it on here as some have done, and others overwhelmingly over Casey.



I do have a problem with negativities about Rossi - and I invite you to read my previous posts, and unlike many Rossi worshippers on here who are now questioning their faith, still regard him as a threat to the title. Like I say, I may seem to leap to Casey's defence - but you are welcome to try to indict me with my posts - and I invite you to do so. On the subject of bias and member names - as I said in a recent post. When many the 'Rossi' christened members currently in hibernation miraculously reappear to gloat over the goat, I will probably remain silent...but in admiration. Sorry, call me the eternal cynic, (or you can call me The Ethics Master if you like - I prefer that), but I don't associate someone who labels themselves for example 'Mick Rossi 46 No.1' or whatever the .... it is with impartiality. I tire of the endless blind adoration and veneration:





Arrabbiata1 said:
'Rossi_fan' - no bias there then.



When/if Vale does become back to back World Champion with Ducati I fully expect thousands of similar Rossi monikered clones such as yourself to come teeming out of the woodwork bombarding this forum with 'told you so' rants and self congratulatory jump on the bandwagon ......... I will meanwhile quietly smile in admiration of the man as a racer, and silently savour the memories his remarkable achievements throughout his career.



Where Valentino is concerned, one genuinely runs out of superlatives....



.....it'd be nice if members like you could do the same once in a while.
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- Homily over (The Ethics Master)
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michaelm said:
Stoner should forget about it now, or at least until he starts winning races again, but I rather suspect that none of the legendary tough guy riders mentioned, or anyone else, would have shrugged off the jerez incident with a smile.



I actually deleted my post to that effect in the other thread, but as on other forums stoner now seems to be a ..... both for being annoyed about other riders taking his line in non-race situations, and for taking rossi's line in a non-race situation (if he did); no wonder the poor boy gets confused at times.



I don't know that much about chronic fatigue syndrome, and neither stoner nor anyone from his camp has said that he had it as far as I know, but I respect Keshav's personal perspective, and somebody did post something from an apparently authoritative medical source saying that there is a link between cfs and lactose intolerance. Whatever he had he looked very definitely physically unwell to me, and I can actually see where undetected lactose intolerance in itself whilst apparently prosaic could cause big problems with what is to some extent an endurance sport.



Mick doohan as we have discussed in the past whinged more than stoner and rossi put together, usually after he had won though (as an aside I am fairly sure that valentino wouldn't have pulled the laguna seca move or the jerez move on mick).



I would never dispute that a major contributor to rossi's remarkable record has been him maintaining physical and mental toughness /strength over a longer period than anyone in history, let alone any of the current riders, and hence he is in a reasonable position to have a perspective on such things, but it still doesn't mean he can do no wrong.
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I Think at the end of the day We all let our feelings and bias for our most favorite rider to infect our judgment sometimes, some more and some less. We dont like to read a lot of negatives about our hero and will reply to a few of them at least for proving our points, and at the same time we dont have any problems with reading the worst about the rivals of our favorites.
 
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Arrabbiata1 said:
Sorry, it's hard for me to reply to this on the basis of your member name.
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The Ethics Master!! I like that - I think that we should rename our forum moderators 'Ethics Masters'



Really, given the volume of bandwagon jumpers, glory hunters and fanboys on this site Valentino is scarcely in need of any further defenders of the faith. It was Valentino that opined that today's racers are not men but children - so hence the 'shoulder' quip was directed at him. On the occasions that CS has made similar hypocritical and ludicrous statements I have remained similarly reticent. The difference is, that instead of spawning two posts it would have resulted in several thousand pages and a multitude of associated threads.



I have leapt to the defence of Rossi on many occasions in the face of some absurd assertions - very often the genuine 'haters' as you guys like to term it - and there are a few, such as Pinky - are simply trolling and do not warrant a reply. If you really need an example of my jumping to your cause, then simply check out Scotty's recent posts which actually fell into the latter category and didn't deserve not only a reply but the time it took to read them.



I have consistently praised Valentino - who I I regard as still the most complete racer out there - a phenomena - and see as the complete embodiment of the all the luminaries of this sport manifested in one rider: The raw talent of Spencer or Hailwood, the tenacity of Doohan, the daring of Schwantz, the outward charisma of Sheene etc etc. I just don't particularly care for him as an individual, and I believe that he is bigger than the sport itself.



I want all these guys to stay upright, to remain injury free, and to wrest points and race victories off one another in order that the season can go down to the wire. There are guys on here that seem to be quite happy to see Valentino cruise to victory by a country mile circa 2002 every other weekend - and could well be rewarded next season when the new Ducati is rolled out. I am truly neutral - I just want to see close racing, with all the chief protagonists involved. I certainly wouldn't wish a DNF on Vale, or on the few occasions that he has crashed out of a race celebrate it on here as some have done, and others overwhelmingly over Casey.



I do have a problem with negativities about Rossi - and I invite you to read my previous posts, and unlike many Rossi worshippers on here who are now questioning their faith, still regard him as a threat to the title. Like I say, I may seem to leap to Casey's defence - but you are welcome to try to indict me with my posts - and I invite you to do so. On the subject of bias and member names - as I said in a recent post. When many the 'Rossi' christened members currently in hibernation miraculously reappear to gloat over the goat, I will probably remain silent...but in admiration. Sorry, call me the eternal cynic, (or you can call me The Ethics Master if you like - I prefer that), but I don't associate someone who labels themselves for example 'Mick Rossi 46 No.1' or whatever the .... it is with impartiality. I tire of the endless blind adoration and veneration:









- Homily over (The Ethics Master)
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Thanks a lot, for the explanation, i should say i do remember at least a few of yours and Michael's posts in defence and praise of Rossi, and i only saw a difference in you since last few gps (after Jerez). It looks as if You and Michael still cant/haven't forget/forgive Rossi for that crash and lately when one of Rossi fans is praising him you feel the need to show your dislike for his feelings, and that's a bit unlike before.



btw thanks that you didn't find my sarcasm offensive.
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rossiofsky said:
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Thanks a lot, for the explanation, i should say i do remember at least a few of yours and Michael's posts in defence and praise of Rossi, and i only saw a difference in you since last few gps (after Jerez). It looks as if You and Michael still cant/haven't forget/forgive Rossi for that crash and lately when one of Rossi fans is praising him you feel the need to show your dislike for his feelings, and that's a bit unlike before.



btw thanks that you didn't find my sarcasm offensive.
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Not in the slightest, there was nothing offensive about it...I thought it was quite funny.



Very simply, because this has been debated to death, I thought it was a crap move but I've seen far worse mistakes. Remember Barros skittling Jacque at Sachsenring in '02? Not only was OJ possibly on the brink of his maiden Premier class GP win, but both two strokes were seeing off Valentino on the V5 with a few laps to go. We will never know. Back to the point, my major irritation and frustration was directed at the Marshals lack of assistance for CS and not Valentino himself. I do think that he should have removed his helmet for the 'apology' though...his apologists evidently disagreed.
 
Arrabbiata1 said:
Not in the slightest, there was nothing offensive about it...I thought it was quite funny.



Very simply, because this has been debated to death, I thought it was a crap move but I've seen far worse mistakes. Remember Barros skittling Jacque at Sachsenring in '02? Not only was OJ possibly on the brink of his maiden Premier class GP win, but both two strokes were seeing off Valentino on the V5 with a few laps to go. We will never know. Back to the point, my major irritation and frustration was directed at the Marshals lack of assistance for CS and not Valentino himself. I do think that he should have removed his helmet for the 'apology' though...his apologists evidently disagreed.
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No doubt he should have taken off his helmet, and marshals acted a bit poorly in not understanding Stoner's situation, but there was another problem there also that Stoner had turn off his bike. anyway Rossi is adult enough to defend his own acts. He is my favorite rider and i think he is been the best of his era, but he is not my role model. I think that's a usual mistake that some people make about Rossi fans.
 
Andy Roo said:
Quite correct



My point is, there is a lot more media than previously, and what used to lay on the copy room floor now makes it to print (or net or whatever), thus making comparisons between era's somewhat redundant.



With everyone looking for an angle or a unique take it goes a lot further than it used to. I am not criticizing this, I am just saying that comparing one era to another is a bit silly, it detracts from what happens where it matters, on the racetrack
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I totally agree with you about the media thing in the current era, particularly since the whole thing is run for profit by people who are merchant bankers or accountants or something, and most of their income comes from media rights. As you have pointed out, the number of media outlets has also snowballed with the internet, including the esteemed kropotkin who covers it better than mainstream media.



Most if not all of these media people are constantly looking for grabs, and stoner must be a dream for them because he has constantly provided them, often in reply to leading questions as this one apparently was to valentino. Stoner was refraining somewhat this year prior to jerez but his emotions got the better of him (like some of his fans
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), and valentino has made a few statements less adroit than has usually been his habit, so perhaps he is feeling some pressure. Normally he handles the media brilliantly, and is witty, pithy etc.
 
rossiofsky said:
He is my favorite rider and i think he is been the best of his era, but he is not my role model. I think that's a usual mistake that some people make about Rossi fans.
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It would definitely be a mistake in regard to you as a rossi fan in particular, but not necessary all rossi fans, although I do probably get influenced by other sites like crash where things are more extreme.



I was upset live when the jerez incident happened because of the implications for stoner's championship, particularly since the move seemed so unnecessary, but I pretty much accept what rossi said on gpone, and that he may not even have really intended to pass; it was a bone head move rather than a dirty move in any case. I think stoner will still have his chance now if good enough, since there are contenders other than lorenzo and it fairly obviously won't be like 2008 with rossi, where to take points from him it is necessary to win, his worst result being second in a race you win. Part of my reaction was because I think stoner needs to take his chance this year while the going is good; like arrabbiata I think rossi will be hard to stop next year.



I then really got annoyed with the rossi fans who tried to make stoner the villain of the piece, when I think the reaction of most riders, and perhaps all riders actually in contention for the championship, would have been similar .



I have gone back fairly close to my former perspective ie acknowledging his greatness but wanting stoner to beat him
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. As when he was injured last year, I don't really like seeing him 4th or 5th.
 
I think that Rossi using the term ..... is a bit ironic.





How would he identify one. I doubt he or Uccio have ever seen one.



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GeePee said:
I think that Rossi using the term ..... is a bit ironic.





How would he identify one. I doubt he or Uccio have ever seen one.



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Uccio is married, and if rossi was gay, which is irrelevant, it would hardly be a secret in this age of obssessive media attention.
 
Goatboy said:
One day we get a story where he says "This kind of thing is fun", the next the headline is "Rossi says modern riders are .......", if that's not a calculated, purposefully over the top remark I don't know what is. & I think, historically, that is his idea of fun.
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Goaty, I had ignored this because I didn't want to bother that you are incorrect as to the facts. No sense debating if you are starting with an incorrect base. You may want to revisit what actually transpired. Use a chronological sequence, it may help you understand how this whole "....." thing actually became a talking point. You sound as if Rossi was the victim of journalist sensationalism. That, my friend, is not only factually incorrect, but your assessment would be wrong for obvious reason.



It really doesn't matter, its a bit like Austin said, it was funny when it first happened. now it certainly is being dragged on, but it didn't have the effect that Rossi originally intended, and now the target have actually taken the upper ground. Perhaps this is what is not enjoyable to you buddy?
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Actually, in defence of Valentino, I like the way that he keeps his love life out of the media spotlight and away from the racetrack. Sheeney always had Steph by his side, and the unforgettable Soili was never far away from Jarno - to the delight of the pundits at the time. Foggy usually had Michaela with him on the grid, and obviously Dani has Alberto - (but workplace relationships are seldom a good idea IMO).



I desperately want Katja Poensgen to come out of retirement kids or no kids, so that Roger can wield a brolly next to her - (on a leash)
 
Arrabbiata1 said:
Actually, in defence of Valentino, I like the way that he keeps his love life out of the media spotlight and away from the racetrack. Sheeney always had Steph by his side, and the unforgettable Soili was never far away from Jarno - to the delight of the pundits at the time. Foggy usually had Michaela with him on the grid, and obviously Dani has Alberto - (but workplace relationships are seldom a good idea IMO).



I desperately want Katja Poensgen to come out of retirement kids or no kids, so that Roger can wield a brolly next to her - (on a leash)
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Ask Rog to post a picture of his new tshirt.
 

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