Rossi thinks that wall between him and Lorenzo should stay

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 16 2008, 07:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he was trying to emulate Rossi's braking points and corner exit speeds at every track:lol:

Not wishing to challenge you but where did you read this? Even if it's strictly a theory
it's an interesting one.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Nov 16 2008, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not wishing to challenge you but where did you read this? Even if it's strictly a theory
it's an interesting one.

Look for some of his interviews during the winter tests--the are his comments on Rossi's telemetry on record, data of which he was obviously provided. He said he could not yet emulate them...

I don't buy into the split garage theory as a good thing. Shared info is a good thing and invariably benefits the stronger rider. No one wants to get beat by their teammate and if sharing info makes Jorge go faster I have little doubt that Rossi will pick up the challenge and go faster yet. The stronger the competition the more the stars shine in any sport.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 14 2008, 10:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Someone missed nap time...


you're the funniest man on here - no doubt

If the saying in moto GP has always been that "your first rival is your teammate", well, there must be a reason. And a good one
It's a sport, but definitely not a De Coubertin sport.

Sorry, coming into this a little late in this forum.

A similar thread had been running in another forum (local Aussie) with similar type of sentiments along the lines of VR has the right or it is a team.

So, I will ask teh same questions here as I did there to see what responses I get.

If the wall remains and for all intents and purposes there is no sharing of data (something I doubt in some aspects) than how can the FIAT Yamaha 'team' be eligible for the Teams championship. Now, I know that it is on paper etc, but the above is not a question of rules but more in terms of do you/we as teh general public see tham as a team or as two individuals in the same colours.

The second question and the one I feel shows that Valentino is genuinely concerned about Lorenzo is that why did VR not want a wall in place with previous team-mates?

Yes it could be said that the wall had not been there with previous team-mates (it was only implemented due to tyre manufacturuer changes) but I do wonder.






Garry

Dani's been critisized all year for having a wall in his garage, but now Rossi feels threatened by a teammate and its fair game. Standard. I don't think its a major drama either way, both riders are capable of looking after themselfes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Nov 21 2008, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dani's been critisized all year for having a wall in his garage, but now Rossi feels threatened by a teammate and its fair game. Standard. I don't think its a major drama either way, both riders are capable of looking after themselfes.

The thought that a wall serves to prevent sharing of data is actually besides the point.
It was requested by Bridgestone and Michelin and its function was more symbolic or to prevent casual peeking or overhearing of things, than other. If any member of the technical staff wanted to leak data to the other side, the wall in itself could not prevent it.

Likewise, even without any wall you can prevent data sharing, since each rider has his own separate technical team loyal to him. Pedrosa did not need any wall to lock Hayden out!

For Rossi, it is more a matter of privacy and staying in his own cosy environment. He always liked having a garage all to himself, so he likes the wall. He joked saying that Lorenzo can tear down his side of the wall if he wants

Last but not least, Pedrobot has always been criticized--I think he's the least popular rider in MotoGP since Biaggi's times. Long before any wall.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 21 2008, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>For Rossi, it is more a matter of privacy and staying in his own cosy environment. He always liked having a garage all to himself, so he likes the wall. He joked saying that Lorenzo can tear down his side of the wall if he wants

Last but not least, Pedrobot has always been criticized--I think he's the least popular rider in MotoGP since Biaggi's times. Long before any wall.

I am avowedly not a rossi fan, but nor am I a rossi detractor (not much anyway ), and I was going to say what you have said. He has always basically done his own thing, and he clearly does not need anyone else's data. Colin edwards, his reputed long term tyre mule has been quoted on several occasions as saying that he could never ride rossi's tyres so whoever he was developing tyres for it would not seem to have been valentino.

I do see some hypocrisy in people who support his approach complaining about stoner or pedrosa not helping their team-mates enough though, whilst acknowledging that valentino has more than validated his method. As I have said previously however charming off the track as an actual bike racer valentino is just as much a killer as doohan or anyone else who has approached his level of success.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Nov 21 2008, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am avowedly not a rossi fan, but nor am I a rossi detractor (not much anyway ), and I was going to say what you have said. He has always basically done his own thing, and he clearly does not need anyone else's data. Colin edwards, his reputed long term tyre mule has been quoted on several occasions as saying that he could never ride rossi's tyres so whoever he was developing tyres for it would not seem to have been valentino.

I do see some hypocrisy in people who support his approach complaining about stoner or pedrosa not helping their team-mates enough though, whilst acknowledging that valentino has more than validated his method. As I have said previously however charming off the track as an actual bike racer valentino is just as much a killer as doohan or anyone else who has approached his level of success.
Well said,i agree 100%.

Now that there's a wall between riders in two team garages - see if this doesn't spread to other garages. Trends start small and snowball. In six years time all garages may follow suit.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 20 2008, 11:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's a sport, but definitely not a De Coubertin sport.
Most of the De Coubertin sports are no longer De Coubertin sports, if they ever were.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Nov 21 2008, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Most of the De Coubertin sports are no longer De Coubertin sports, if they ever were.
I think your'e right to question whether they ever were...it was more an visionary ideal to aspire to. Certainly Moto GP with Dorna presiding over it is the complete antitheses to that vision

I think one team that would never have a 'wall' in the garage is Ducati.

Its been documented by many sources that the environment within the team is like that of a family. Even when Melandri went through his difficulties they never bagged him.

Also with Ducati being much smaller then the Japenese manufactorers they need unity to compete.

I dont think this story is really all that accurate. I really can not see Rossi stipulating that he wants a wall between himself and Jorge. Basically by Rossi requesting such a thing he would be demosntrating to Jorge that he is 'concerned' anout Jorges pace. It would show a mental battle that Rossi has lost.

Rossi is the master at the mind games and quiet frankly such actions would go completley against the grain of how he has acted previously. Im pretty sure that Vale is confident enough in his own ability that he will be able to beat a second year rider who came 4th in the Standings lasst season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (is200 @ Nov 22 2008, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think one team that would never have a 'wall' in the garage is Ducati.

Its been documented by many sources that the environment within the team is like that of a family. Even when Melandri went through his difficulties they never bagged him.

Also with Ducati being much smaller then the Japenese manufactorers they need unity to compete.

I dont think this story is really all that accurate. I really can not see Rossi stipulating that he wants a wall between himself and Jorge. Basically by Rossi requesting such a thing he would be demosntrating to Jorge that he is 'concerned' anout Jorges pace. It would show a mental battle that Rossi has lost.

Rossi is the master at the mind games and quiet frankly such actions would go completley against the grain of how he has acted previously. Im pretty sure that Vale is confident enough in his own ability that he will be able to beat a second year rider who came 4th in the Standings lasst season.
Yes he seem to be the master of mind games and caltulating his comments to the press and also what he sais to other people and riders ,at least of what i have heard.He also makes sure in every way that he can get an edge to help him win races.Didn't he personally see to that the people at the Yamaha racing department were at the right place?
Personally i think he is thinking back on this year and realising he did his absolute best. And with Lorenzo with one years experience and perhaps no big injuries can be a threat if Rossi perhaps happends to have a season that is not so good as this year.
An unnessesary risk.
He said this season was one of his best,so he has the preassure to make 2009 as good but not much worse than this year.Otherwise Stoner or Lorenzo could win it if they have a really good or perfect 2009.It could happen.
What reason for the wall he tells the press might not be the real reason.That's what i think anyway.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (is200 @ Nov 22 2008, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I dont think this story is really all that accurate. I really can not see Rossi stipulating that he wants a wall between himself and Jorge.
Good point. Did pinky provide a link to the actual article? Apart from anything else it is a short paragraph which could have been taken out of context.

I'm not a fan of the idea of dividing team garages with a wall and I am slightly surprised if Rossi wants it to stay.

If so, I have to give more respect to Ducati who seem to be amongst the minority of teams who share all the data next year.

Reasons behind keeping the divider up aren't necessarily sinister. It could be as simple as - he's gotten accustomed to having a bit more privacy, not having to be "on" quite so much. No doubt, it's got to be hard for Rossi to steal any alone time to think quietly, sort out all the info gathered in the course of the day and strategize. A zillion years ago when I was a club racer - it was really important to find half an hour or so a day when I could lie down in the back of the van with an ice pack and a towel over my eyes and do laps in my head. In the course of a normal Rossi (race) day - I wonder, with all the people around wanting a piece of him - how often he gets to have any down time. Minimizing extraneous stimuli and distraction in the garage could offer him a valuable edge.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Nov 22 2008, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not a fan of the idea of dividing team garages with a wall and I am slightly surprised if Rossi wants it to stay.

If so, I have to give more respect to Ducati who seem to be amongst the minority of teams who share all the data next year.

Thinking of it... We assume a physical wall in the garage means not sharing data, but is that really the case? Rossi did not say that he does not want Lorenzo to know his telemetry or setup data, he said he likes the divider in the garage. It's not automatically the same thing. We know one can share (or not share) the data, irrespective of a physical separation.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 23 2008, 01:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thinking of it... We assume a physical wall in the garage means not sharing data, but is that really the case? Rossi did not say that he does not want Lorenzo to know his telemetry or setup data, he said he likes the divider in the garage. It's not automatically the same thing. We know one can share (or not share) the data, irrespective of a physical separation.

Very good point J4rn0.