Rossi: surgery done!

chopperman · Nov 17, 2010

halfpint said:
I have a question to the Stoner fans about his illness. Or even the doctors in the house. No I'm not slating just asking.

When Stoner had 3 month off because of his illness and all the races previous he'd done piss poor in becasue of his lactic intollerance, how come it took 3 months to recover? I can understand it taking awhile to discover what was making him ill, but how come it was 3 months he had off? Changing a diet and requirements can take its time to get all the toxins out of your system but does it take 3 month?? And secondly, how come he'd not shown any signs of been ill in his prevoius two years of racing or can this allergy (of sorts) come on instantanious?

Good questions Linda. Kropothead posted some interesting articles about the sudden onset of lactose intolerance and allergy in adults and it appears it can just happen all of a sudden but is more common with kids. As for recovery time im also interested to hear medical opinions on this.

michaelm · Nov 17, 2010

I have no practical experience of lactose intolerance since it is an outpatient paediatric illness usually, but I would guess it would depend on when they made the diagnosis and when he stopped consuming milk products, and that they were only confident of the diagnosis in retrospect when he actually came good. I thought he missed 3 races rather than 3 months anyway.

chopperman · Nov 17, 2010

michaelm said:
I have no practical experience of lactose intolerance since it is an outpatient paediatric illness usually, but I would guess it would depend on when they made the diagnosis and when he stopped consuming milk products, and that they were only confident of the diagnosis in retrospect when he actually came good. I thought he missed 3 races rather than 3 months anyway.

Of course your quite right mike. Donny was his last race and he was back for estoril. Not sure on time scale but i would hazard a guess it was 5 or 6 weeks.

Goatboy · Nov 17, 2010

It was 26th July to the 4th October, 15 weeks? Taking into consideration the summer break is in that period too.

Talpa · Nov 17, 2010

Please someone start another Stoner lactose issue thread for Mickm, so we don't have to read about It in every other......

I believe this and 2007 are your favourite topics Mick

chopperman · Nov 17, 2010

Talpa said:
Please someone start another Stoner lactose issue thread for Mickm, so we don't have to read about It in every other......

I believe this and 2007 are your favourite topics Mick

To be fair to mike it was Halfpint and myself who asked the question

sorry

And your right goatboy, i forgot about the summer break

Goatboy · Nov 17, 2010

I've come to the conclussion that Rossi is a diabolical .......:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc6JS4XRj8A&feature=player_embedded#![/media]

Even going so far as to wear this fake sling & splint in a vain effort to fool us in to believing he was hurt!!

The .......

Kropotkin · Nov 17, 2010

halfpint said:
I have a question to the Stoner fans about his illness. Or even the doctors in the house. No I'm not slating just asking.

When Stoner had 3 month off because of his illness and all the races previous he'd done piss poor in becasue of his lactic intollerance, how come it took 3 months to recover? I can understand it taking awhile to discover what was making him ill, but how come it was 3 months he had off? Changing a diet and requirements can take its time to get all the toxins out of your system but does it take 3 month?? And secondly, how come he'd not shown any signs of been ill in his prevoius two years of racing or can this allergy (of sorts) come on instantanious?

Stoner didn't come to the Brno race. At that point (as I understand it), Stoner still had no idea what his health problem was. He spent the summer break talking to several medical specialists in search of a solution, one which he did not find in a hurry. They started to do food allergy tests, but testing for lactose intolerance consists of not consuming lactose and then seeing if it helps. That process itself takes several days. But they were also limiting other food stuffs, which also takes several days. Finding lactose intolerance is a time consuming business.

halfpint · Nov 17, 2010

Kropotkin said:
Stoner didn't come to the Brno race. At that point (as I understand it), Stoner still had no idea what his health problem was. He spent the summer break talking to several medical specialists in search of a solution, one which he did not find in a hurry. They started to do food allergy tests, but testing for lactose intolerance consists of not consuming lactose and then seeing if it helps. That process itself takes several days. But they were also limiting other food stuffs, which also takes several days. Finding lactose intolerance is a time consuming business.

Oh i didn't realsie they were still trying to figure out what was up, thought theyd at least had an idea. To be fair on him the last race he did (think it was) which he didn't win he did look a bit pathetic and not well at all. Thank you

And sorry for bringing the question up i just figured as everyone had brought Stoners illness into the rossi injury it clearly hadn't been cleared up

Thank you

halfpint · Nov 17, 2010

Goatboy said:
I've come to the conclussion that Rossi is a diabolical .......:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc6JS4XRj8A&feature=player_embedded#![/media]

Even going so far as to wear this fake sling & splint in a vain effort to fool us in to believing he was hurt!!

The .......

i thought he'd done his left shoulder in

michaelm · Nov 17, 2010

Goatboy said:
It was 26th July to the 4th October, 15 weeks? Taking into consideration the summer break is in that period too.

The three races he missed were on august 16th, august 30th and september 6th, a span of 21 days by my reckoning, or 42 if you date it back to the british gp, the last race he competed. His state of health during the summer break is a matter of conjecture for all of us , admittedly including ducati which was a problem at the time.

Keshav · Nov 17, 2010

chopperman said:
Cant see why. From what ive seen it was the Hayden fan's in denial over rossi's shoulder not the stoner fans

Mayhaps I'm missing something but aren't the Hayden Fans and the Stoner Fans one and the same?

michaelm · Nov 17, 2010

Talpa said:
Please someone start another Stoner lactose issue thread for Mickm, so we don't have to read about It in every other......

I believe this and 2007 are your favourite topics Mick

Lactose intolerance is not a particular interest, or indeed a concern of mine at all; I have regretfully had to cut my cappuccino consumption in my old age due to decreased tolerance of caffeine rather than lactose

. I will usually respond when asked or particularly when challenged as you are aware ; if you have a problem point out where I have been wrong. I was initially sceptical about the lactose intolerance thing with stoner to be honest, but it does seem to all hang together reasonably to me now fwiw.

I am keen on 2007 as I am on 1987, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997 and 1998, although these are ancient history even for me. I am less keen on 1992, 1993, 2008, 2009 and 2010.

As a wild conjecture, I would surmise that you yourself are keener on 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2008 and 2009 than you are on 2006, 2007 or 2010.

chopperman · Nov 17, 2010

Keshav said:
Mayhaps I'm missing something but aren't the Hayden Fans and the Stoner Fans one and the same?

No not really. The Haydenettes just latched onto the stoner bandwagon for 2 reasons.

1. The haydenettes had nothing of their own to sing about

2. they were united in there rossi fan bashing

From what ive read it was the haydenettes (not all) that were in denile about rossi's injury and its effects. I don't recall any stoner fans claiming rossi's shoulder was a "bargaining chip" but then again i dont tend to read all there posts

Keshav · Nov 17, 2010

halfpint said:
I have a question to the Stoner fans about his illness. Or even the doctors in the house. No I'm not slating just asking.

When Stoner had 3 month off because of his illness and all the races previous he'd done piss poor in becasue of his lactic intollerance, how come it took 3 months to recover? I can understand it taking awhile to discover what was making him ill, but how come it was 3 months he had off? Changing a diet and requirements can take its time to get all the toxins out of your system but does it take 3 month?? And secondly, how come he'd not shown any signs of been ill in his prevoius two years of racing or can this allergy (of sorts) come on instantanious?

Answer to first question is... it takes as long as it takes. The healing process of the immune system is not akin to say deleting viruses from a hard-drive. No-one has ever promoted the idea that the immune system and it's workings are inherently predictable.

Answer to the 2nd question is painfully obvious; if Stoner strictly adheres to his diet and supplement protocols - there's no reason why he should suffer a relapse.

The healing of bone fractures and muscle injury are aspects of medicine that physicians have been able to observe

and predict since biblical times. The mysteries of the immune system are a relatively recent field of study. And chronic

fatigue is very small specialty - which 90% of current day general practitioners know nothing about. I speak from

long experience. Stoner is most fortunate to have been able to identify the source of his illness and recuperate in

what was a relatively brief period of time. Not fast enough for jerks at Marlboro - and in the end it was to their detriment.

Goatboy · Nov 17, 2010

michaelm said:
The three races he missed were on august 16th, august 30th and september 6th, a span of 21 days by my reckoning, or 42 if you date it back to the british gp, the last race he competed. His state of health during the summer break is a matter of conjecture for all of us , admittedly including ducati which was a problem at the time.

& Going by this it was announced on the 10th August that he was taking time out, so it was around seven weeks before his return. Not an unreasonable amount of time for a diagnosis & recovery period.

Although the period of time between making the decision & announcing it is anyone's guess. One thing is for sure, he wasn't sitting on his arse praying it would go away "Details of further medical tests Stoner underwent during the summer break in Australia have not yet been released."

Bloody variables always get in the way.

chockmoose · Nov 17, 2010

Keshav said:
I'd bet that this was the kind of injury that would have healed well enough on it's own

for someone who was just doing normal stuff but for someone doing something as

demanding as MGP racing it's a whole other story.

Tell you what Kesh, dislocated my left shoulder 2 Christmases ago and it popped again 6 weeks ago... .... me the pain, ride a bike??? not while you have a hole up your ...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Valentino riding like this must really love to race, me I want to curl up with some serious painkillers!!!!!

BarryMachine · Nov 17, 2010

Kropotkin said:
Stoner didn't come to the Brno race. At that point (as I understand it), Stoner still had no idea what his health problem was. He spent the summer break talking to several medical specialists in search of a solution, one which he did not find in a hurry. They started to do food allergy tests, but testing for lactose intolerance consists of not consuming lactose and then seeing if it helps. That process itself takes several days. But they were also limiting other food stuffs, which also takes several days. Finding lactose intolerance is a time consuming business.

Yes seems folk seem to have forgotten that they suspected several other things before they finally caught onto the lactose intolerance.

That and I think it was fishing season in the top end

Keshav · Nov 17, 2010

chockmoose said:
Tell you what Kesh, dislocated my left shoulder 2 Christmases ago and it popped again 6 weeks ago... .... me the pain, ride a bike??? not while you have a hole up your ...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Valentino riding like this must really love to race, me I want to curl up with some serious painkillers!!!!!

I hear you. I don't really have a solid comprehension of Rossi's shoulder injury. But I don't think it was dislocated.

That's something I do have experience with. I managed to get an A/B separation of my left shoulder back in

'79 and it was excruciating. I wasn't a highly trained athlete nor was I in good shape - and yet 5 weeks later

I went white water canoeing on the Delaware. My shoulder never pops out because it was so badly damaged

the doctors couldn't put it back to the normal position. It looks like hell but works okay.

rossiofsky · Nov 17, 2010

Rossi: Shoulder worse than expected

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88357

[By Michele Lostia and Matt Beer]

Valentino Rossi has revealed that his injured shoulder was in much worse condition than expected before surgery was carried out last weekend, but says it is now 'as good as new'.

The former champion struggled for much of the 2010 season due to pain from damage sustained in a Motocross crash in April, but he held off until after the championship and his first Ducati test were complete before undergoing the required operation.

Rossi is now recovering from the surgery, and said that he was in a lot of discomfort at present.

"I feel quite in pain, it hurts a lot, but it's normal in the days that follow surgery," he said in an interview with Italian TV programme Striscia la Notizia.

"I struggle to sleep, but the operation went well, everything is okay. Now my arm is tied to my neck, but the shoulder should get back to 100 per cent, so it's just a matter of time."

He explained that the severity of the injury had not become fully clear until he was in hospital.

"Unfortunately the shoulder was in a lot worse condition than we had expected, so the operation lasted twice as long as it should have," said Rossi, whose season was also disrupted by a broken leg.

"All the tendons and everything else that was believed to perhaps be slightly damaged, were in fact completely broken, so I have a new shoulder now.

"They've given me a new shoulder, I can't wait to test it!"

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Now that i read these things, i think he didn't make a wise decision to let it come so far. Of cource in his place and situation and with the mind set of these riders it wasn't unusual, but he risked a lot more than he achived. He was lucky that he didn't crash on it again.

Rossi: surgery done!

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