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Rossi: surgery done!

Jumkie said:
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Gotcha right?



Compa, 99.9% of what we think, believe and say can be categorized as coming from or forwarding "hearsay". For example, several have questioned Stoner's illness as ........, yet you use the recent report on Rossi's surgery as proof positive that the shoulder injury was true. But does it really prove he was hindered in the way he describes and were you there when the doc confirmed it? No, its still "hearsay" of the same level as Casey's illness reports. Its just what we decide is true or believable, right?
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Rossi's Doctor (named).

Stoners Doctor (anonymous)

Doctors who called Costa a dangerous clown (anonymous)



nuff said about the hearsay compa
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It states the recovery period is supposed to be 90 days for this type of op, correct me if im wrong but thats AFTER the tests in February where he really needs to be able to push the big red monster to the limit or somewhere near it??
 
johnnyvvc said:
It states the recovery period is supposed to be 90 days for this type of op, correct me if im wrong but thats AFTER the tests in February where he really needs to be able to push the big red monster to the limit or somewhere near it??
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It's about 75 days to the first Sepang test. It should be enough time.
 
chopperman said:
Doctors who called Costa a dangerous clown (anonymous)
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Anonymous to you, but I know his name and his reputation, and he is extremely highly regarded. He also has riders who thank him for saving their lives. But I cannot reveal who he is as I was contacted in confidence.
 
Kropotkin said:
Anonymous to you, but I know his name and his reputation, and he is extremely highly regarded. He also has riders who thank him for saving their lives. But I cannot reveal who he is as I was contacted in confidence.
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I understand that you cannot name this person as it would be betraying a confidence. Am i to understand it is one doctor who said this or several? also was this doctor referring to one incidence or in general? and does this doctor practice in the same field as costa ?
 
chopperman said:
I understand that you cannot name this person as it would be betraying a confidence. Am i to understand it is one doctor who said this or several? also was this doctor referring to one incidence or in general? and does this doctor practice in the same field as costa ?
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1. One doctor told me, but others who have been in the paddock a long time have received regular complaints about Costa, from doctors and from non-medical people.



2. The doctor was referring to multiple errors of judgment on multiple occasions



3. Roughly, yes.



Costa's reputation is built on a few things, including his gamble (because that's what it was) on fixing Doohan's leg. He does whatever it takes to get riders back on track, whether that is in their best interests or not. Costa has passed riders fit that the official doctors at the track have then ruled out because they were too badly injured. Riders love him because he will let them ride, and do what it takes to get them on the grid. Whether that's in their best interests or not (cf. Alex Debon).



That's what I know, make of it what you will.
 
johnnyvvc said:
It states the recovery period is supposed to be 90 days for this type of op, correct me if im wrong but thats AFTER the tests in February where he really needs to be able to push the big red monster to the limit or somewhere near it??
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Yes, but that's in human days. MotoGP riders heal in half the time others recover. So I'm told, hearsay really.
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Kropotkin said:
1. One doctor told me, but others who have been in the paddock a long time have received regular complaints about Costa, from doctors and from non-medical people.



2. The doctor was referring to multiple errors of judgment on multiple occasions



3. Roughly, yes.



Costa's reputation is built on a few things, including his gamble (because that's what it was) on fixing Doohan's leg. He does whatever it takes to get riders back on track, whether that is in their best interests or not. Costa has passed riders fit that the official doctors at the track have then ruled out because they were too badly injured. Riders love him because he will let them ride, and do what it takes to get them on the grid. Whether that's in their best interests or not (cf. Alex Debon).



That's what I know, make of it what you will.
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Thanks for you candid replies Kropo.
 
chopperman said:
Rossi's Doctor (named).

Stoners Doctor (anonymous)

Doctors who called Costa a dangerous clown (anonymous)



nuff said about the hearsay compa
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Rossi's doc statement sounded a bit like a lawyer advocating for his client, but that's just my opinion, or as you would call it, hearsay.
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Kropotkin said:
1. One doctor told me, but others who have been in the paddock a long time have received regular complaints about Costa, from doctors and from non-medical people.



2. The doctor was referring to multiple errors of judgment on multiple occasions



3. Roughly, yes.



Costa's reputation is built on a few things, including his gamble (because that's what it was) on fixing Doohan's leg. He does whatever it takes to get riders back on track, whether that is in their best interests or not. Costa has passed riders fit that the official doctors at the track have then ruled out because they were too badly injured. Riders love him because he will let them ride, and do what it takes to get them on the grid. Whether that's in their best interests or not (cf. Alex Debon).



That's what I know, make of it what you will.
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well this is quite a revelation to me. I've always thought costa was a revolutionary genius doctor . I have built up this impression over the years by listening to the respect given to him over the years by the media and riders alike. I only know like most fans what i hear and read. I'm aware you are privy to inside info, and while i will not take everything as gospel like some here i do respect you for going against the grain and telling us of other points of view to the urban myth.
 
chopperman said:
well this is quite a revelation to me. I've always thought costa was a revolutionary genius doctor . I have built up this impression over the years by listening to the respect given to him over the years by the media and riders alike. I only know like most fans what i hear and read. I'm aware you are privy to inside info, and while i will not take everything as gospel like some here i do respect you for going against the grain and telling us of other points of view to the urban myth.
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Watching the Eurosport motogp coverage Toby and Julian often talk about riders coming back from injury too fast, whether or not it is right of them to do so in terms of responsibility to themselves and the other competitors. They also mention that riders are often too keen to return, and rate their own fitness rather optimisitcally to get back on the grid as soon as they can. I have always thought that, to an extent to be questioning the methods of Dr Costa and his crew.
 
chopperman said:
well this is quite a revelation to me. I've always thought costa was a revolutionary genius doctor . I have built up this impression over the years by listening to the respect given to him over the years by the media and riders alike. I only know like most fans what i hear and read. I'm aware you are privy to inside info, and while i will not take everything as gospel like some here i do respect you for going against the grain and telling us of other points of view to the urban myth.
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It was a revelation to me too. Sports journalism is in the business of creating legends, and Costa fits the bill. Like all legends, the reality rarely resembles the myth.
 
Tom said:
Watching the Eurosport motogp coverage Toby and Julian often talk about riders coming back from injury too fast, whether or not it is right of them to do so in terms of responsibility to themselves and the other competitors. They also mention that riders are often too keen to return, and rate their own fitness rather optimisitcally to get back on the grid as soon as they can. I have always thought that, to an extent to be questioning the methods of Dr Costa and his crew.
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one thing i know about doctors from personal experience is they always want to play safe, usually to safe. Ive been to doctors during my martial arts career with injures and asked "when can i return to training". They alway answer "we dont advise you do". This is why Doctor Costa is different imo. He is a sportsman's doctor. patch en up and get em back. Bit like battle field doctoring.
 
chopperman said:
one thing i know about doctors from personal experience is they always want to play safe, usually to safe. Ive been to doctors during my martial arts career with injures and asked "when can i return to training". They alway answer "we dont advise you do". This is why Doctor Costa is different imo. He is a sportsman's doctor. patch en up and get em back. Bit like battle field doctoring.
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Exactly. But helping riders return to racing when they feel ready for it is like helping bankers work out their own salary plans. You are putting the decisions in the hands of those least able to judge objectively what is best.
 
Kropotkin said:
Exactly. But helping riders return to racing when they feel ready for it is like helping bankers work out their own salary plans. You are putting the decisions in the hands of those least able to judge objectively what is best.
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i see your point. Is doctor costa paid or under any sought of direction from Dorna ?
 
chopperman said:
well this is quite a revelation to me. I've always thought costa was a revolutionary genius doctor . I have built up this impression over the years by listening to the respect given to him over the years by the media and riders alike. I only know like most fans what i hear and read. I'm aware you are privy to inside info, and while i will not take everything as gospel like some here i do respect you for going against the grain and telling us of other points of view to the urban myth.
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Classic Chops. You can be reasonable after you've mounted a challenge so long as its met by a fair minded response. Kudos.
 
So, after all that ....... hadn't faked it.
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I hope he'll be back in top form for tests.



After his test with duc, i was thinking; if indeed that 15th position was their max and Rossi couldn't ride for the victory with that bike from begin, then theyr in more trouble, since he will need time to recover after this surgery, and at the same time he wont be at his 100% performance, at the next tests, and there aren't many test days for him to get used to riding his bike at it's max. In that case i think Rossi wont be able to sort out his problems at time, and it will take him a few months longer to solve all his problems.
 
Dr Costa, looks like he's more worry for the show than for the riders, Of cource rider's are asking for a fast comeback, but anyway he has a big responsibility as a doctor. Some of his decisions like allowing Horhay to race with 2 broken ankles, was strenge to me.

But as long as everyone is happy and nothing has happened, i dont care for it. He seems a funny and nice person, since most riders respect him.
 
Kropotkin said:
I don't believe he is under any sort of direction from anybody. Which may be the problem ...
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Doctors get things wrong all the time, and even with modern technology including mri scans or what have you the extent of an injury will not infrequently only be apparent operatively, and valentino et al are such physical freaks that they can compensate for injuries that would lay low mortal men.



Costa will obviously still be bound by professional ethics and medicolegal obligations, and valentino will have not relied solely on his advice anyway; it is very likely that he would have seen the surgeon (not costa) who eventually did the surgery well before the operation. I can't really remember costa giving any advice that has any serious adverse consequences at least long term, and I seem to recall him doing many good things including saving mick doohan's leg.



I can see a further parallel with casey stoner's scaphoid injury (concerning which stoner was slighted in an equally stupid fashion) though, in that costa said if he could still win races maybe he didn't need surgery when he eventually at operation was found to have multiple bits of gristle floating in his wrist.
 

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