Rossi: surgery done!

chopperman said:

one thing i know about doctors from personal experience is they always want to play safe, usually to safe. Ive been to doctors during my martial arts career with injures and asked "when can i return to training". They alway answer "we dont advise you do". This is why Doctor Costa is different imo. He is a sportsman's doctor. Patch en up and get em back. Bit like battle field doctoring.

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That's exactly the philosophy Costa takes. One of the 'Faster' films contained a fairly lengthy segment on Costa. Give it a view! His outlook is that 'Racing is Living' and he'll do whatever it takes to allow your typical clinically obsessed racer to get back on the track.

Discussing the surgery Dr Castagna said: “The operation itself had no particular problems, but we encountered a situation like at the supermarket: pay for one, get three. To give an idea of the situation it normally takes 35 minutes to stabilise a shoulder, and with Valentino it took us an hour and 50 minutes.”



“In simple terms the supraspinatus tendon and the glenoid ligament were both very damaged. We had to clean the area to prepare it for its natural healing process, and then close it with 12 stitches. The fibrocartilage surrounding the humerus was displaced so we put it back and fixed it with bio-absorbable staples. All of this was done in an area which measured a maximum of 2-3 centimetres.”















Just wanted to make sure the one's crying 'bargaining chip' and 'shouldn't effect his performance' for months had another reminder......

Talpa said:

Discussing the surgery Dr Castagna said: “The operation itself had no particular problems, but we encountered a situation like at the supermarket: pay for one, get three. To give an idea of the situation it normally takes 35 minutes to stabilise a shoulder, and with Valentino it took us an hour and 50 minutes.”



“In simple terms the supraspinatus tendon and the glenoid ligament were both very damaged. We had to clean the area to prepare it for its natural healing process, and then close it with 12 stitches. The fibrocartilage surrounding the humerus was displaced so we put it back and fixed it with bio-absorbable staples. All of this was done in an area which measured a maximum of 2-3 centimetres.”















Just wanted to make sure the one's crying 'bargaining chip' and 'shouldn't effect his performance' for months had another reminder......

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The haters will just ignore these fact's and carry on with their crusade. To save yourself having to repeat yourself time and time again i suggest you put it in your signature.

Talpa said:

Discussing the surgery Dr Castagna said: “The operation itself had no particular problems, but we encountered a situation like at the supermarket: pay for one, get three. To give an idea of the situation it normally takes 35 minutes to stabilise a shoulder, and with Valentino it took us an hour and 50 minutes.”



“In simple terms the supraspinatus tendon and the glenoid ligament were both very damaged. We had to clean the area to prepare it for its natural healing process, and then close it with 12 stitches. The fibrocartilage surrounding the humerus was displaced so we put it back and fixed it with bio-absorbable staples. All of this was done in an area which measured a maximum of 2-3 centimetres.”















Just wanted to make sure the one's crying 'bargaining chip' and 'shouldn't effect his performance' for months had another reminder......

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Absolutely true, but I could also remind you that you were amongst those most dismissive of casey stoner's health problems, displaying exactly the attitude which likely prompted some (equally unjustifiably in my view) to seek reprisal when rossi had problems.

chopperman said:

The haters will just ignore these fact's and carry on with their crusade. To save yourself having to repeat yourself time and time again i suggest you put it in your signature.

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Nahhh... us haters are all done with Rossi's fake injury. Now our crusade is to rub yer collective noses

in the mess that he's made by alienating Yamaha et al, forcing himself to wobble around on the Ducati.

Comparing Rossi's first year on the Duc to Stoners ought to arm us with enough Rossi denigration and fan repression to last all season long. Soon we will possess the Holy Grail. Rossi's downfall.

Bwa-ha-ha-has! Onward Ho!

chopperman said:

Rossi's Doctor (named).

Stoners Doctor (anonymous)

Doctors who called Costa a dangerous clown (anonymous)



nuff said about the hearsay compa

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Stoner's doctors may have been anonymous to you but they were well known to me and clearly indicative of the lines of enquiry which were reasonable. To labour jumkie's point by the same arguments that were applied to stoner rossi can't really have anything wrong with him otherwise dr costa would have found it and the doctor who did find something wrong can't be believed because both he and rossi are italian .

Rossi Recovery Set for Sepang

http://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/2010/motogp-rossi-recovery-set-for-sepang

((By Sam Sims 11/16/2010))





Valentino Rossi MotoGP Injury Update



With the first official test of the 2011 MotoGP season at Sepang 79 days away, Valentino Rossi will be hoping for a quick recovery from the shoulder operation he received on Sunday at the Cervesi di Cattolica hospital in his native Italy.



The surgery was successful procedures performed by Doctor Alex Castagna from the Milan Humanitas Institute and shoulder specialist Dr Giuseppe Porcellini, but Rossi was told he would need 90 days of rehabilitation before jumping back on the Ducati GP11 for the 2011 MotoGP season.



The math simply makes this tight, but as the MotoGP world saw from Rossi's final season on the Yamaha M1, his recovery comes quite quick. Take his broken leg from the Mugello MotoGP round in Italy; Ross was back on track five weeks later at the Germany MotoGP in Sachsenring, taking fourth place.



On Tuesday, Dr. Castagna says he believes Rossi should be fit for the test in Malaysia.

He says Rossi will wear a splint to support his shoulder for three weeks, and then his recovery program will consists of three important stages.



Dr. Castagna explains this in the La Gazzetta dello Sport, Italy's most trusted sports newspaper.



Dr. Allessandro Castagna (Surgeon of Valentino Rossi) says: "It usually takes 90 days and he has 79 until the first Test. I'm sure that if everything goes smoothly and there are no complications he can be ready for it."



"The inflammatory phase (immediately after surgery) usually lasts for between three to five days," continued Dr Castagna. "The second phase usually a month and a half or two during which the capillaries in the area will aid the production of fresh cells that will help the healing process. The final stage will be the re-strengthening of the joint. In the middle of the second stage Valentino will start the rehabilitation with the first steps being in the pool, followed by gym activity."



"The operation itself had no particular problems, but we encountered a situation like at the supermarket: pay for one, get three. To give an idea of the situation it normally takes 35 minutes to stabilize a shoulder, and with Valentino it took us an hour and 50 minutes."



"In simple terms the supraspinatus tendon and the glenoid ligament were both very damaged. We had to clean the area to prepare it for its natural healing process, and then close it with 12 stitches. The fibrocartilage surrounding the humerus was displaced so we put it back and fixed it with bio-absorbable staples. All of this was done in an area which measured a maximum of 2-3 centimeters."



Rossi had the surgery performed after his debut on the Ducati at the traditional, post-season MotoGP tests at Valencia last week. During his first outing on the Ducati, he was 10th fastest on day 1 of the MotoGP test, and 15th fastest on day 2.



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Rossi should have lost a lot of money for keeping the international media and those few surgeons silent about his "fake shulder injury" . I dont know if that's worth it.

Kropotkin said:

It was a revelation to me too. Sports journalism is in the business of creating legends, and Costa fits the bill. Like all legends, the reality rarely resembles the myth.

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Your inside knowledge and willingness to share it, and as jumkie says your candour in particular are much appreciated. I doubt you are getting any interviews for your own website from clinica mobile anytime soon if they follow this forum .



Just as an opinion whilst what you say about sports journalism seeking to create legends is obviously true, there is probably some middle ground on Dr Costa, and as I said earlier doctors having differences of opinion is not uncommon, and when they do egos coming into it is also not uncommon. Costa presumably with his 30 year experience may have a better perspective than most on what injuries riders can cope with, and as roger says doctors in general tend (rightly) to be conservative, but such conservatism in a sport with as high an injury rate as motogp would likely result in very few riders competing, particularly given that what they do routinely when completely fit is basically impossible anyway. I find it hard to believe that he would take risks to help dorna, but it is conceivable he errs in terms of going along with the wishes of the riders to too great an extent. I had thought his track record in terms of outcomes over many years was pretty good as roger says, but it sounds like there was at least one exception with alex debon, although I don't recall the incident.

We know if this was happened to one of Rossi's Rivals, then hater's would write a few stories about that injured hero, and his heroic races. But since this was Rossi, so he faked it and this was just an excuse for losing to his team mate, The one that untill this crash was beaten left and right by Rossi, and had won only 1 out of every 4.5 races against Rossi, or to be exactly from 2008 untill the shulder injury Rossi lost to Lorenzo 8 times in 36 races.



I brought these few numbers here because fortunatly these days i see even hater's who dismissed Rossi's records by saying it's only number's and statistics, and acted like they never cared for records, are now talking about a few records with a lot of interest. Rossi's records are all worthless, untill someone else breaks one of them, then we will immediately have the best season ever.

rossiofsky said:

We know if this was happened to one of Rossi's Rivals, then hater's would write a few stories about that injured hero, and his heroic races. But since this was Rossi, so he faked it and this was just an excuse for losing to his team mate, The one that untill this crash was beaten left and right by Rossi, and had won only 1 out of every 4.5 races against Rossi, or to be exactly from 2008 untill the shulder injury Rossi lost to Lorenzo 8 times in 36 races.



I brought these few numbers here because fortunatly these days i see even hater's who dismissed Rossi's records by saying it's only number's and statistics, and acted like they never cared for records, are now talking about a few records with a lot of interest. Rossi's records are all worthless, untill someone else breaks one of them, then we will immediately have the best season ever.

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Rossi's record as ever is very obviously unimpeachable, and he very obviously has had a serious shoulder injury.



However to the contrary of what you say , there were hundreds of posts on here saying that stoner was faking his scaphoid injury and his 2008 illness, which as I said previously may have influenced the attitude of some to valentino's injury.

michaelm said:

Rossi's record as ever is very obviously unimpeachable, and he very obviously has had a serious shoulder injury.



However to the contrary of what you say , there were hundreds of posts on here saying that stoner was faking his scaphoid injury and his 2008 illness, which as I said previously may have influenced the attitude of some to valentino's injury.

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As much as i remember and believe in what you say about some people (which some of them also were Rossi fans), who dismissed Stoner's injury, i,m sure if those Rossi fans hadn't said that about Casey, we would still hear such comments about Rossi.

Some people have always negative view on some rider's and they will say negative about them, no matter what.

So, some are taking a revenge, but a few which we all know, dont do it as a revenge for Stoner, but rather as another chance to show their hatred for Rossi.

rossiofsky said:

As much as i remember and believe in what you say about some people (which some of them also were Rossi fans), who dismissed Stoner's injury, i,m sure if those Rossi fans hadn't said that about Casey, we would still hear such comments about Rossi.

Some people have always negative view on some rider's and they will say negative about them, no matter what.

So, some are taking a revenge, but a few which we all know, dont do it as a revenge for Stoner, but rather as another chance to show their hatred for Rossi.

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Persecution complex much?

rossiofsky said:

As much as i remember and believe in what you say about some people (which some of them also were Rossi fans), who dismissed Stoner's injury, i,m sure if those Rossi fans hadn't said that about Casey, we would still hear such comments about Rossi.

Some people have always negative view on some rider's and they will say negative about them, no matter what.

So, some are taking a revenge, but a few which we all know, dont do it as a revenge for Stoner, but rather as another chance to show their hatred for Rossi.

Keshav' date='17 November 2010 - 12:51 PM' timestamp='1289962289' post='260232 said:

Persecution complex much?

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He/she is getting very Chris Crocker much





Might need a distraction thread soon to keep him occupied whilst they are getting the slug out .........

BarryMachine said:

He/she is getting very Chris Crocker much

Might need a distraction thread soon to keep him occupied whilst they are getting the slug out .........

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I knew that interview of JB will piss you off. so continue crying.

I see your occupied already. so enjoy the JB interview at this moment, i promiss you i will find you another one in the next days. and meanwhile try to see That giant alien prob.



btw dont you have another theory for JB to Honda, maybe he want to go to Honda and work with Casey now after this test.

rossiofsky said:

I knew that interview of JB will piss you off. so continue crying.

I see your occupied already. so enjoy the JB interview at this moment, i promiss you i will find you another one in the next days. and meanwhile try to see That giant alien prob.



btw dont you have another theory for JB to Honda, maybe he want to go to Honda and work with Casey now after this test.

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Reply to the "titanic don't panic" JB post on that thread

michaelm said:

Absolutely true, but I could also remind you that you were amongst those most dismissive of casey stoner's health problems, displaying exactly the attitude which likely prompted some (equally unjustifiably in my view) to seek reprisal when rossi had problems.

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Cant see why. From what ive seen it was the Hayden fan's in denial over rossi's shoulder not the stoner fans

Keshav said:

Nahhh... us haters are all done with Rossi's fake injury.

Now our crusade is to rub yer collective noses

in the mess that he's made by alienating Yamaha et al, forcing himself to wobble around on the Ducati.

Comparing Rossi's first year on the Duc to Stoners ought to arm us with enough Rossi denigration and fan repression to last all season long. Soon we will possess the Holy Grail. Rossi's downfall.

Bwa-ha-ha-has! Onward Ho!

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rossiofsky said:

I knew that interview of JB will piss you off. so continue crying.

I see your occupied already. so enjoy the JB interview at this moment, i promiss you i will find you another one in the next days. and meanwhile try to see That giant alien prob.



btw dont you have another theory for JB to Honda, maybe he want to go to Honda and work with Casey now after this test.

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Berrys just pissed jb didn't go back to honda with stoner like he predicted

chopperman said:

one thing i know about doctors from personal experience is they always want to play safe, usually to safe. Ive been to doctors during my martial arts career with injures and asked "when can i return to training". They alway answer "we dont advise you do". This is why Doctor Costa is different imo. He is a sportsman's doctor. patch en up and get em back. Bit like battle field doctoring.

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I concur! When i obliterated my left wrist the doctors started off by saying i'd have no hand, surprised i'd broken in a nice straight line (all the bones, ones that weren't broken where dislocated) and was able to pull it off the top of my arm and push back to the end of my arm. They reckoned i would have scaffolding, ended up having two pins in it 2 week later as the thumb area was hanging off (literally) then in pot for a total of 8 weeks. After that they reckoned i'd never be able to move my wrist cause they had to do a bit of reconstruction. Well i got the nhs nurses working on it for 4 weeks and my physio working on it for 5 weeks and with her jumping up and down on it (literally) i managed to get it moving. During this period i went back to the surgeon to ask if i could go back pole vaulting - he thought i was a nutcase for even asking and all he said was it's strong enough now for what you need to do. Meaning, i'm not saying yes or no to you been able to vault again. If i hadn't had gone back vaulting if im honest i wouldn't be able to get my wrist in the position it needs to get into. However when i went upside down i was actually in pain evertime as my wrist could not physically turn into the position it needed to, so I had to quit. The avatar is me 6months after i first broke my wrist at the AAAchampionships, my first competition was May followed by the Yorkshire championships.



Long story short all doctors eer on the side of caution even to the Interational sports people and always estimate a long recovery.



If a performer is determined enough and has the right attitude they won't take no notice of being told you can't do it, and they always want to come back earlier than the doctors predictions to prove them and their doubters wrong especially after major ops.



Mr Rossi, I predict will be back before his 90 days.However i predictict he will not come out all guns blazing and take the bike to the max. He's savy enough to know what the bike needs and will probably keep laping in 4th 5th place. You watch the first race for grid postitions he'll be on the 2nd spot and completly mess with everyones head! Now that is a competitior. Rossi will not show how many chickens he's hatching in his basket till the last moment!!



Recover well you old goat.

I have a question to the Stoner fans about his illness. Or even the doctors in the house. No I'm not slating just asking.



When Stoner had 3 month off because of his illness and all the races previous he'd done piss poor in becasue of his lactic intollerance, how come it took 3 months to recover? I can understand it taking awhile to discover what was making him ill, but how come it was 3 months he had off? Changing a diet and requirements can take its time to get all the toxins out of your system but does it take 3 month?? And secondly, how come he'd not shown any signs of been ill in his prevoius two years of racing or can this allergy (of sorts) come on instantanious?