Rossi still wont let it go

moto vudu · Mar 1, 2017

#22 said:
Michael M answered it perfectly for me, but I am going to add that I have read race directions statement, maybe you should to, here it is for clarity:

You will note there is not one reference to any provocation in that statement. Simply that Rossi was found guilty of irresponsible riding. That was the official judgement/statement to what you refer to in your earlier post, NOT the Mike Webb interview where he said he "believed" Marquez wasn't blameless.

Again you are mistaken, the official statement from Dorna is quoted above, you keep clinging to Mike Webb's interview as an official statement because he apportions some blame to Marquez. How does racing another rider for position set a precedent for forcing the other off track?

If you want to compare it to another racetrack incident, how come Dani Pedrosa wasn't punished in Le Man 2011 when Marco Simoncelli caused him (unintentionally) to crash? They were both racing for position after all.

Again you make a weak argument in defence of your bias to Rossi, which is why you aren't taken seriously at all on this forum.

That's a good point. Qatar 2004 being a good example! However, I am skeptical as to whether that would be the case in more recent times.

The FIM statement shouldn't mention anything about Marquez, it's a statement to explain why they issued Rossi three penalty points. Webb's comments about his belief that Marquez wasn't blameless was to explain why Rossi didn't receive a more harsh punishment. So Rossi only received a 3-pt penalty because Webb claims he found evidence or had reason to believe that Marquez wasn't purely racing.

danski · Mar 1, 2017

#22 said:
Michael M answered it perfectly for me, but I am going to add that I have read race directions statement, maybe you should to, here it is for clarity:

You will note there is not one reference to any provocation in that statement. Simply that Rossi was found guilty of irresponsible riding. That was the official judgement/statement to what you refer to in your earlier post, NOT the Mike Webb interview where he said he "believed" Marquez wasn't blameless.

Again you are mistaken, the official statement from Dorna is quoted above, you keep clinging to Mike Webb's interview as an official statement because he apportions some blame to Marquez. How does racing another rider for position set a precedent for forcing the other off track?

If you want to compare it to another racetrack incident, how come Dani Pedrosa wasn't punished in Le Man 2011 when Marco Simoncelli caused him (unintentionally) to crash? They were both racing for position after all.

Again you make a weak argument in defence of your bias to Rossi, which is why you aren't taken seriously at all on this forum.

That's a good point. Qatar 2004 being a good example! However, I am skeptical as to whether that would be the case in more recent times.

I'll just say this, Mike Webb is part of race direction. Have you seen a statement from fim saying he had no right to say such things on their part?? And somewhere in the world someone would be bothered by not being taken seriously, he isn't here matey boy!

jarno · Mar 1, 2017

if you think rossi is still pissed for 2015 watch 2016. he outscored jlo. great riders cant be affected by all this. they dont make excuses or blame past/luck/god/the moon/the system for their future results. i too believe mm acted very bad. but im not rossi. i dont have to see mm and race mm every week. its not the everyday scenario ''if you cant stop talking about your ex youre still in love and you never gonna move on...'' like most of us experienced!!!!! he just tells it like he thinks it is. if you think he still thinks it after the interview is over maybe you like to think gp riders are like us and then identificate to try to make it more accesible to watch, like celebrity reality tv you all might enjoy..... if you ever race and particullary with someone you dont like you might understand the different world after the lights' out.

#22 · Mar 1, 2017

moto vudu said:
The FIM statement shouldn't mention anything about Marquez, it's a statement to explain why they issued Rossi three penalty points. Webb's comments about his belief that Marquez wasn't blameless was to explain why Rossi didn't receive a more harsh punishment. So Rossi only received a 3-pt penalty because Webb claims he found evidence or had reason to believe that Marquez wasn't purely racing.

Daniboy said:
I'll just say this, Mike Webb is part of race direction. Have you seen a statement from fim saying he had no right to say such things on their part?? And somewhere in the world someone would be bothered by not being taken seriously, he isn't here matey boy!

So as stated before, where are Webb's comments explaining Simoncelli's punishment in 2011 amongst others? Marquez did nothing wrong, in Mike Webb's own words he "Didn't break any rules" so as Michael M has said, why bring it up when no rider in the history of bike racing has been penalised for racing another rider for position?

The problem DB is you read with the intent to reply, not to listen.

jarno said:
if you think rossi is still pissed for 2015 watch 2016. he outscored jlo. great riders cant be affected by all this. they dont make excuses or blame past/luck/god/the moon/the system for their future results. i too believe mm acted very bad. but im not rossi. i dont have to see mm and race mm every week. its not the everyday scenario ''if you cant stop talking about your ex youre still in love and you never gonna move on...'' like most of us experienced!!!!! he just tells it like he thinks it is. if you think he still thinks it after the interview is over maybe you like to think gp riders are like us and then identificate to try to make it more accesible to watch, like celebrity reality tv you all might enjoy..... if you ever race and particullary with someone you dont like you might understand the different world after the lights' out.

Good point, if the press keep bringing it up he has to give some form of answer.

p4p1 · Mar 1, 2017

Also their belief stems from he told us he wasn't impeding just racing for position and due to Valentinos outrageous comments on Thursday we don't believe him.

Iamapony · Mar 1, 2017

Very unfortunately, I think he is still making excuses for his outrageously poor judgement. It is like a little kid that will never admit they are wrong. If everything that he and his fans claim were true, then he could have passed underneath Marquez on that same corner and motored away, WITH the ability to block MM the rest of the race. He did NOT do that, but decided to push MM wide. It was stupid, and as a RACE FAN, it was very disappointing that he chose to screw-up the championship and his own chances. I don't know how I would deal with making the same mistake, but the way he has handled it has been awful and detrimental for the sport. I wish he would STFU about it.

AJV80 · Mar 1, 2017

Iamapony said:
Very unfortunately, I think he is still making excuses for his outrageously poor judgement. It is like a little kid that will never admit they are wrong. If everything that he and his fans claim were true, then he could have passed underneath Marquez on that same corner and motored away, WITH the ability to block MM the rest of the race. He did NOT do that, but decided to push MM wide. It was stupid, and as a RACE FAN, it was very disappointing that he chose to screw-up the championship and his own chances. I don't know how I would deal with making the same mistake, but the way he has handled it has been awful and detrimental for the sport. I wish he would STFU about it.

Not sticking up for the guy or supporting his Area 51 tin foil hat fantasy, but I think part of the reason he was unable to stay in front and block Marquez for the rest of that race is because Marquez was actually faster than him. You could also argue that Marquez could have stayed in front of Rossi and blocked him for the remainder of the race ....

I think with his Area 51 conspiracy fresh in his head and then feeling that he was being messed with as retaliation for his stupid comments is what caused him to blow his gasket. Like others have mentioned, just silly mind games that backfired on him.

p4p1 · Mar 1, 2017

The thing that is completely overlooked when talking about Marquez staying in front of Rossi is that while Marquez generally waited a few corners to attack, possibly in an attempt to pass in a place he could make it stick. Rossi would pass the very next corner. Due to Rossi conspiracy this is totally overlooked, it was somewhat similar to the way that Rossi would attack Stoner in the very next corner or he would be able to get away. I don't think Rossi has the pace to stay with Marquez after mid race, if you watch the race Rossi nearly highsides twice in an attempt to keep up with Marquez and keep the battle going while Marquez does look totally in control. Rossi at some stage realised he wasn't going to be able to stay in front of/out race Marquez like he could others and lost his cool as he saw the title vanishing quickly and acted out of rage and desperation. Luckily for him his fans(and I include DORNA in that) are up his conspiracy and overlooked the racing on the day which does show Rossi as the one who showed more signs of impeding someone's pace.

michaelm · Mar 1, 2017

p4p1 said:
The thing that is completely overlooked when talking about Marquez staying in front of Rossi is that while Marquez generally waited a few corners to attack, possibly in an attempt to pass in a place he could make it stick. Rossi would pass the very next corner. Due to Rossi conspiracy this is totally overlooked, it was somewhat similar to the way that Rossi would attack Stoner in the very next corner or he would be able to get away. I don't think Rossi has the pace to stay with Marquez after mid race, if you watch the race Rossi nearly highsides twice in an attempt to keep up with Marquez and keep the battle going while Marquez does look totally in control. Rossi at some stage realised he wasn't going to be able to stay in front of/out race Marquez like he could others and lost his cool as he saw the title vanishing quickly and acted out of rage and desperation. Luckily for him his fans(and I include DORNA in that) are up his conspiracy and overlooked the racing on the day which does show Rossi as the one who showed more signs of impeding someone's pace.

The PI conspiracy theory and the accusations of lying and cheating (in a race MM actually won) at the Sepang press conference are the main issue for me.

I am willing to concede the possibility that MM raced Rossi more aggressively at Sepang than he might otherwise have done prior to those accusations, using the time honoured Rossi tactic of not letting any pass stick, but that is pretty much what Rossi asked for given it is also quite possible MM actually tried not to put the contenders at any risk at PI. Rossi has raced others in a similar fashion on several occasions, and I have seen Colin Edwards for one fairly deliberately ride as a blocker for Rossi. So if it is legal it is legal, he fairly definitely grossly misread MM, and the "provocation" by MM argument relies on successfully reading his mind. One interpretation of the pre-race press conference is that Rossi was trying to intimidate MM into not racing him, although I think he believes the whole conspiracy theory thing now, encouraged by Uccio who proudly announced a few months ago that he was the one who detected the "race fixing' at PI. 2015.

BarryMachine · Mar 1, 2017

Well its a shame rossi cant let go ...... but I think he never will.

Hes one of the most tenacious riders out there ..... he just wont let go ......

look at sucking .... hes been sucking for years and he just wont stop sucking.

Gaz · Mar 2, 2017

moto vudu said:
The FIM statement shouldn't mention anything about Marquez, it's a statement to explain why they issued Rossi three penalty points. Webb's comments about his belief that Marquez wasn't blameless was to explain why Rossi didn't receive a more harsh punishment. So Rossi only received a 3-pt penalty because Webb claims he found evidence or had reason to believe that Marquez wasn't purely racing.

Correct, the FIM statement is about the penalty but it could make mention of Marquez in terms of he being the victim of the irresponsible riding but as he was not charged, he is not and should not be mentioned in any other way either in the statement or surrounding discussion whilst in an official capacity

With regards to Webb's comments (is this groundhog day), they were at least poorly conceived and at worst an open display of sanctioned discrimination/bias.

No more should be read into Webbs statement once he states that Marquez broke no rules ............ the discussion ends there no matter what he, Rossi, Uccio, SUppo, Edwards, Marquez or the guy at the corner shop thinks ....... game, set, match - no rule broken

Daniboy said:
I'll just say this, Mike Webb is part of race direction. Have you seen a statement from fim saying he had no right to say such things on their part?? And somewhere in the world someone would be bothered by not being taken seriously, he isn't here matey boy!

See above.

Webb had made the statement that was sanctioned by FIM regarding the penalty.

To discuss further is (I suspect) bringing what should be a confidential matter into the public arena and is a breach of trust applied to him to maintain the confidentiality of the judicial process.

His comments were poor, ill-judged and inflammatory, or as some see them, an open attempt to deflect blame from one and apportion to another based on the story being peddled by that one as it suits the preferred doctrine or narrative.

Webb at the time and when in his official capacity should have said no more than 'this is the penalty', all other matters that were discussed are confidential and cannot be discussed here.

He could also should he have chosen to go on to say 'in my opinion' or 'from where I sit' type of commentary as that preface would have absolved him from all others, but by use of 'we' or similar terminology (and IMO he is a smart man, knew what he was doing/saying) he is attempting subtly to lessen the culpability of one to the detriment of the other.

Arrabbiata1 · Mar 2, 2017

Gaz said:
Correct, the FIM statement is about the penalty but it could make mention of Marquez in terms of he being the victim of the irresponsible riding but as he was not charged, he is not and should not be mentioned in any other way either in the statement or surrounding discussion whilst in an official capacity

With regards to Webb's comments (is this groundhog day), they were at least poorly conceived and at worst an open display of sanctioned discrimination/bias.

No more should be read into Webbs statement once he states that Marquez broke no rules ............ the discussion ends there no matter what he, Rossi, Uccio, SUppo, Edwards, Marquez or the guy at the corner shop thinks ....... game, set, match - no rule broken

See above.

Webb had made the statement that was sanctioned by FIM regarding the penalty.

To discuss further is (I suspect) bringing what should be a confidential matter into the public arena and is a breach of trust applied to him to maintain the confidentiality of the judicial process.

His comments were poor, ill-judged and inflammatory, or as some see them, an open attempt to deflect blame from one and apportion to another based on the story being peddled by that one as it suits the preferred doctrine or narrative.

Webb at the time and when in his official capacity should have said no more than 'this is the penalty', all other matters that were discussed are confidential and cannot be discussed here.

He could also should he have chosen to go on to say 'in my opinion' or 'from where I sit' type of commentary as that preface would have absolved him from all others, but by use of 'we' or similar terminology (and IMO he is a smart man, knew what he was doing/saying) he is attempting subtly to lessen the culpability of one to the detriment of the other.

Imagine if Butler has still been in post.

jarno · Mar 2, 2017

poor mm, he was forced to act like that because of uccios' lover fantasy talking... and like you said it was not illegal... and ofcourse in the past vr always used dirty tricks with jl cs dp nh etc... thats all total crap. 2007 when a young cs dominated the field vr swallowed it like a gentleman. he didnt start excuses... 2006 he lost everything in one turn still no problem about it. notrash talk about elias either. when he crash with cs at wet 2011 he went and apologized (and cs acted like a talented .... he is, his tongue outweighted his brain). 2015 it wasnt king rossi vs rookie mm. it was 2 consecutive times champion mm against a washed out old timer vr. and mm didnt act like a champ! if you fart in an elevator full of people nobodys gonna sue you but they will look at you differently even if you live at penthouse...

michaelm · Mar 2, 2017

jarno said:
poor mm, he was forced to act like that because of uccios' lover fantasy talking... and like you said it was not illegal... and ofcourse in the past vr always used dirty tricks with jl cs dp nh etc... thats all total crap. 2007 when a young cs dominated the field vr swallowed it like a gentleman. he didnt start excuses... 2006 he lost everything in one turn still no problem about it. notrash talk about elias either. when he crash with cs at wet 2011 he went and apologized (and cs acted like a talented .... he is, his tongue outweighted his brain). 2015 it wasnt king rossi vs rookie mm. it was 2 consecutive times champion mm against a washed out old timer vr. and mm didnt act like a champ! if you fart in an elevator full of people nobodys gonna sue you but they will look at you differently even if you live at penthouse...

Absolute .........

MM did absolutely nothing to Rossi prior to the Sepang press conference. Rossi called him a liar and a cheat in regard to a race MM actually won and in which he made no moves which put the contenders at risk, on the basis of suspicions which emanated from Uccio and not Rossi himself by Uccio's own boast, and in full knowledge of his own power with the media and with the substantial ignorant glory hunting element among his fan base. No one in the entire world wide commentariat raised any suspicion about the PI race prior to the Sepang press conference.

At Sepang MM raced him legally for position. Rossi's problem was not being fast enough to stay ahead of Lorenzo or get and stay ahead of MM. He in all likelihood got a net 3 point gain at Sepang by illegally taking MM out, since if MM actually was substantially faster than him as Rossi and his partisans claim Rossi's likely finishing position was 4th, leaving Lorenzo with only the necessity to finish second and in front of Rossi at Valencia. MM put himself out of the title race by stupidly crashing out of many races early in the season riding his flawed bike beyond its limits. He was in no way obliged to keep doing this to facilitate Rossi's ambitions for the 8th/10th title, and when he rode smarter after returning to the old chassis, Pedrosa got healthier and Lorenzo got conditions and tracks in the end of season races which suited him Rossi was simply not consistently fast enough against the other 3 top riders to win the title.

Keshav · Mar 2, 2017

jarno said:
poor mm, he was forced to act like that because of uccios' lover fantasy talking... and like you said it was not illegal... and ofcourse in the past vr always used dirty tricks with jl cs dp nh etc... thats all total crap. 2007 when a young cs dominated the field vr swallowed it like a gentleman. he didnt start excuses... 2006 he lost everything in one turn still no problem about it. notrash talk about elias either. when he crash with cs at wet 2011 he went and apologized (and cs acted like a talented .... he is, his tongue outweighted his brain). 2015 it wasnt king rossi vs rookie mm. it was 2 consecutive times champion mm against a washed out old timer vr. and mm didnt act like a champ! if you fart in an elevator full of people nobodys gonna sue you but they will look at you differently even if you live at penthouse...

Something we can all agree on.

#22 · Mar 2, 2017

jarno said:
poor mm, he was forced to act like that because of uccios' lover fantasy talking... and like you said it was not illegal... and ofcourse in the past vr always used dirty tricks with jl cs dp nh etc... thats all total crap. 2007 when a young cs dominated the field vr swallowed it like a gentleman. he didnt start excuses...

Except that he demanded to have Bridgestone tyres for 2008, and Dorna moved heaven and earth for him to get them...

MotoGP: Bridgestone could supply Valentino Rossi in 2008 | MCN

Rossi’s switch after his frustration with Michelin saw him demand a move to rivals Bridgestone was the talk of the Phillip Island paddock last weekend,

jarno · Mar 2, 2017

the tires and the wall are not his best moves. he wanted the best for him though not the worse for the others! nobody said rossi was faster. he was going for the 8th with consistency. he knew that. everybody knew! mm wasnt 100% during the last races and thats all. if judge dredd aka mm was insulted, by uccio's gf as you said, ofcourse his Greatness may set the verdict the penalty and like a small god alter the standings! he passed vr at corkscrew passed jl at a turn named jl half an hour before the race collide with dp and set him flying off the championship hope and finally did what capirossi experienced at 1990 when a couple of italians helped him win gp wc 125. very talented but not very original... doohan was the man rossi is the man. cs and mm are both more talented but not much else...

jarno · Mar 2, 2017

keshav i meant to write it this way to emphasize the uccio anecdote you all use. glad you understood it even in your own way!!!!!

Arrabbiata1 · Mar 2, 2017

jarno said:
he wanted the best for him though not the worse for the others!

And you claim to have been watching this sport for how long?

jarno · Mar 2, 2017

as a kid i liked saarinen

Rossi still wont let it go

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