Rossi set to race on Bridgestone in 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Oct 21 2007, 04:10 PM) [snapback]96259[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I am actually at heart a fairly rabid stoner fan, and it is my hope that he will eventually achieve similar status to rossi or doohan at least as a rider.

Until and unless he does, I am trying to be fair-minded, to not disrespect rossi who will forever be an all-time great, and to not make extravagant claims prematurely(I don't think you are doing this either).


I am a predrobot fan "michaelm"!!! not a chance that he will achive a Wayne Rainey status as Wayne was the legended of the 90's forget about Mr Doohan...If Mr Rainey was around in the 90's when he was Doohaning his thing then Mick would be a very ordinary rider!!!...Wayne if you care to look at his record!!! was a Legend in his TIME!!! and NO ONE would have come anywhere near HIM!!!...

Please LOOK at Wayne Rainey's record??? and compare it to Mr Doohan!!!...The result = NO CONTEST!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Spaish4EVA @ Oct 21 2007, 11:44 AM) [snapback]96355[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Please LOOK at Wayne Rainey's record??? and compare it to Mr Doohan!!!...The result = NO CONTEST!!!


You will get no argument from me against rainey's greatness. As I recall though he and doohan were fairly closely matched in the early 90s.

I actually complained about CSCVAW's eviction, not that this has anything to do with you of course.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Oct 21 2007, 10:03 PM) [snapback]96361[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
You will get no argument from me against rainey's greatness. As I recall though he and doohan were fairly closely matched in the early 90s.

I actually complained about CSCVAW's eviction, not that this has anything to do with you of course.



They are obviously one and the same.
Even my senile brain can work that out.

Just ... another thought ...

ok lets say Rossi wants to go to bridgestones .... so i am thinking yeah sure we all on this forum work from "heresay and hoo-hickey? but hell if I was in Rossi's position I would use some evidence more concrete than speculation to cinvince me to change to Bridgestones ........ so I am thinking ok he actually tried them .......


He seems adamant he wants a change ....

his standout performance this year was Assen ..... could it be posible he ran that race on Bridgestones??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Oct 20 2007, 11:46 AM) [snapback]96221[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
But wheres the disaster??

I mean Hayden won last year ( you must have been happy about that ) ..... Stoner this year ( I'm happy about that...

I think it could become a disaster though ..... It'll be a disiaster if ..... a one tyre rule comes in .... or if riders/teams don't have the ability to chose their tyre brand.


There isn't any systemic disaster to speak of. Motogp is still functioning so there can't be one. The disaster is the Chinese fire drill the rules changes have caused in the paddock.

I understand that Dorna thought something needed to be done, but they didn't do their homework. The sport is more expensive, mechanical components play a much bigger role, and the riders are less and less a part of the sport. Worse still is that the performance is lower and passing is harder so the spectators are gypped too.

Dorna didn't do anything immoral, but they proved their ineptitude. They went after the utilitarian sacred-cows, safety and fairness, and made rules changes. Sadly, no one thought to ask themselves, are the most competitive people on the planet going to be happy with utilitarian restrictions.

Anyone with half a brain could have seen this result from a mile away.

Systemic disaster? No, the sport can persevere. Pointless surplus loss by teams, riders, and Dorna? Absolutely. How can you look at yourself in the mirror if you're Epelzeta? You made it happen on purpose! Now that the teams and riders are laboring under the yoke of your imbecilic changes the only thing you can think to do is play politics to get the ratings back up? I suppose ratings help everyone involved, but they have a tendency to line Dorna's pockets at an exponential rate relative to the other participants. Despicable.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Spaish4EVA @ Oct 21 2007, 09:44 PM) [snapback]96355[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I am a predrobot fan "michaelm"!!! not a chance that he will achive a Wayne Rainey status as Wayne was the legended of the 90's forget about Mr Doohan...If Mr Rainey was around in the 90's when he was Doohaning his thing then Mick would be a very ordinary rider!!!...Wayne if you care to look at his record!!! was a Legend in his TIME!!! and NO ONE would have come anywhere near HIM!!!...

Please LOOK at Wayne Rainey's record??? and compare it to Mr Doohan!!!...The result = NO CONTEST!!!


Hmmm, I think that we have a small case of re-incarnation... but just in case it's not, I'll offer the following response to this particular trolling effort...

My friend, I think that Wayne Rainey is one of the greatest champions in MotoGP/500cc history, however I think that you need to re-visit that record book that you speak of...

Wayne Rainey: 3 x World Championships, 24 wins, 65 podium finishes & 16 pole positions.

Mick Doohan: 5 x World Championships, 54 wins, 95 podium finishes & 58 pole positions.

Also of note:

Doohan took race wins against the entire "Golden Era" group of riders, just the same as Wayne Rainey & pretty much had Wayne beat in 1992 before busting his leg...

"Doohan competed successfully throughout the early 1990s and appeared to be on his way to winning his first world championship when he was seriously injured in a practice crash before the 1992 Dutch TT. He suffered permanent serious damage to his right leg due to medical complications and, at one stage, risked amputation of the leg. At the time, Doohan was 65 points in the lead of the championship, but could not compete for eight weeks after the crash. After an arduous recovery, Doohan returned to racing for the final two races but could not prevent Yamaha rider Wayne Rainey from winning his third consecutive title."

Because of Wayne's career ending injury in 1993 we unfortunately never got to see them race head to head again while both of them were in full fitness!

Also... "Despite up to eight rivals on almost identical Honda motorcycles Doohan's margin of superiority over them was such that in many races Doohan would build a comfortable lead and then ride well within his limits to cruise to victory.

Although pure riding skill clearly played a large part in his success, his ability to perfect the suspension and geometry of a racing motorcycle gave him an enormous advantage over his rivals, even though other Honda riders (particularly Doohan's teammates) benefited somewhat from his ability to perfect the bike's handling.

It is generally accepted that his development of the Honda throughout the 1990s helped the company to dominate racing for many years. At the time of Doohan's retirement, the Honda had developed into a much better handling machine than it had ever been previously."

Admittedly the source of these quotes is the Wikipedia, however I believe it to be fairly factual...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Oct 21 2007, 01:10 PM) [snapback]96376[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

I understand that Dorna thought something needed to be done, but they didn't do their homework. The sport is more expensive, mechanical components play a much bigger role, and the riders are less and less a part of the sport. Worse still is that the performance is lower and passing is harder so the spectators are gypped too.


I think there is much truth in what you say. Strange things can happen in a transitional year; jack brabham won an F1 world championship with a home-grown engine from a very limited technological base in similar circumstances before cosworth came along. However as someone said they seem to have created a "one-line" formula make passing more difficult as the aerodynamics do in F1; cf hayden's attempted pass on elias. Do you think this is inherent in the current rules with traction control etc?.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Oct 21 2007, 07:50 AM) [snapback]96400[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Do you think this is inherent in the current rules with traction control etc?.


Yes and No. Hayden is directly responsible for what happened. He missed his braking mark by a good margin then he tried to fix it by sliding the bike with his weight biased on the rear wheel. He's directly responsible for the mess.

Indirectly traction control is to blame. Hayden isn't a great passer under braking, he likes to make runs on people coming out of the corners by squaring them off then shooting out. You can't do that anymore. So Hayden had to try to take him under breaking instead of being more inventive with his moves.

Plus TC means you can make a stiff chassis and use electronics to keep the bike in check. That's all well and good, except a stiff chassis means a rear-wheel stepout, is a near death experience. Nicky had to pick the bike up and head for the kitty litter. Sad because Capi missed his mark pretty badly in the same turn last year, he didn't hit the litter.

Worst part of all though is that brake bombing means you're ruining someone's corner speed line. If you decrease corner speed in a corner speed prototype series you are going to fall behind. I would go so far as to say, two guys in 2nd and 3rd, who execute a pass then pass back, will find themselves 1 second farther away from the leader.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Oct 21 2007, 06:13 PM) [snapback]96417[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

Worst part of all though is that brake bombing means you're ruining someone's corner speed line. If you decrease corner speed in a corner speed prototype series you are going to fall behind. I would go so far as to say, two guys in 2nd and 3rd, who execute a pass then pass back, will find themselves 1 second farther away from the leader.


+1

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Oct 21 2007, 01:58 PM) [snapback]96374[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
his standout performance this year was Assen ..... could it be posible he ran that race on Bridgestones??i


I think Michelin would have thrown a fit at that

Jerry Burgess was very interesting in the BBC interview re tyres. I think the deal may be done and JB seemed to be relishing the challenge.....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Frizzle @ Oct 14 2007, 03:32 AM) [snapback]95141[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
If this happens and Jorge is on Michelins, then we know who really runs Motogp don't we? I read somewhere Lorenzo signed on the condition of equal machinery. If they are on different tyres then one will have an advantage one weekend and the other on a different weekend. Not equal then is it?
What happens if Michelin are the dominant tyre in 2008? Jorge and Dani & Nicky will battle it out ahead of both Casey and Valentino.
On a sidenote I thought Nicky was fantastic today until the bike let go.
Was so hoping he would podium but as usual luck deserted him.


oh yes nicky was great - nr 1 fighting for 6th - the bike "let go" aka he braked too late- or is the bike now to blame for rider mistakes?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ptk50 @ Oct 21 2007, 07:54 PM) [snapback]96486[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
oh yes nicky was great - nr 1 fighting for 6th - the bike "let go" aka he braked too late- or is the bike now to blame for rider mistakes?

You might want to look at the date of the post,Im pretty sure he was talking about the race before this one

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Spaish4EVA @ Oct 21 2007, 09:44 PM) [snapback]96355[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I am a predrobot fan


Methinks you are "taking the mickey" ....... too many laps of Easo .... and finish lines at the Colyton ???

Pedrosa Fans don't refer to him as a robot!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(antfan @ Oct 15 2007, 06:49 PM) [snapback]95437[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
If this is true; what a fecking sook! He wins five titles on Michelins, while other riders (with less profile and influence and whinging ability) struggle away on Bridgestones and Dunlops..

As soon as things aren't EXACTLY how 'The Doctor' needs them, he goes and stabs the Frenchies in the back, what a little princess..

My arse he can ride around a bikes 'every deficiency,' this is your god Rossi lovers! What a farce..

I hope Michelin come out and kick the crap outta Bridgestone next year and Rossi gets beaten by all three yammys, including the Texas Windbag, in the championship standings.. Thatll teach him..

For shame...


I have to agree with Rog on this one. This is a high level of competition; everyone wants to win. If something isn't getting the job done or is putting you at a severe disadvantage, then out it goes.

I read a superbikeplanet.com article that quoted Stoner criticizing Rossi for wanting to switch to Bridgestone after one bad year. If he actually said it, Casey is either way off base or he is just running his mouth in a blissful use of his newfound position atop the Moto GP world.

Another thing, it is quite common for people to accuse riders of whining or whinging. Well, I've got news for you guys: winners whine! This isn't club racing or little-league baseball where everyone shakes hands and pats eachother on the back saying "good game." These guys battle fiercely and that ferocity carries over into their words and actions. When skilled, determined riders line up on the grid of the highest level of motorcycle racing, animosity, bad vibes, and bad attitudes are par for the course. You know what I would say if everyone was being nice and sportsman-like at all times? "Start whining!"

Winners want to win. This means that whatever isn't getting the job done goes, no matter its past record or loyalty. Winners are whiney little ....... when they lose too because they hate losing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mr. Shupe @ Oct 22 2007, 08:35 AM) [snapback]96528[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I have to agree with Rog on this one. This is a high level of competition; everyone wants to win. If something isn't getting the job done or is putting you at a severe disadvantage, then out it goes.

I read a superbikeplanet.com article that quoted Stoner criticizing Rossi for wanting to switch to Bridgestone after one bad year. If he actually said it, Casey is either way off base or he is just running his mouth in a blissful use of his newfound position atop the Moto GP world.

Another thing, it is quite common for people to accuse riders of whining or whinging. Well, I've got news for you guys: winners whine! This isn't club racing or little-league baseball where everyone shakes hands and pats eachother on the back saying "good game." These guys battle fiercely and that ferocity carries over into their words and actions. When skilled, determined riders line up on the grid of the highest level of motorcycle racing, animosity, bad vibes, and bad attitudes are par for the course. You know what I would say if everyone was being nice and sportsman-like at all times? "Start whining!"

Winners want to win. This means that whatever isn't getting the job done goes. No matter their past record or loyalty. Winners are whiney little ....... when they lose too because they hate losing.

spot on mt shupe !, theres no such thing as loyalty at this level, that will just hold you back.

to agree with roger that post sounds like one of the smartest and thought out I have read in a while!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ptk50 @ Oct 22 2007, 09:54 AM) [snapback]96486[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
oh yes nicky was great - nr 1 fighting for 6th - the bike "let go" aka he braked too late- or is the bike now to blame for rider mistakes?



You pulled a quote from the Phillip Island race
How do you feel now?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 22 2007, 08:34 PM) [snapback]96539[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
spot on mt shupe !, theres no such thing as loyalty at this level, that will just hold you back.



Of course there is nothing wrong with him wanting the best equipment.
How you guys can't see that there is anything wrong with the way he has gone about it along with the Dorna president basically giving Bridgestone an ultimatum is actually quite amusing.

this coming from the austrailian is quite amusing

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krazy91 @ Oct 22 2007, 09:13 PM) [snapback]96543[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
this coming from the austrailian is quite amusing



Should perhaps turn your flag avatar off before throwing stones mate.

As i posted earlier I'm no Rossi hater. The guy is probably the best rider of all time. But this whole thing stinks of looking after one guy and to hell with the rest because he has the most fans.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Frizzle @ Oct 22 2007, 12:10 PM) [snapback]96541[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

Of course there is nothing wrong with him wanting the best equipment.
How you guys can't see that there is anything wrong with the way he has gone about it along with the Dorna president basically giving Bridgestone an ultimatum is actually quite amusing.

Ezpeleta has denied any such ultimatum was given to bridgstone, i think that was pure speculation by the media, they put 2 +2 together and came up with 6. rossi asking to switch to stones and dorna looking into a single tyre rule are 2 totally separate things but the press put them together and all the rossi haters latched on to this. pretty amusing how gullible some people are