Rossi set to race on Bridgestone in 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 22 2007, 03:55 PM) [snapback]96617[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
even if he did say this so what ?
im sure he has asked himself many times when things are not right and theres no cure in sight what the .... am i doing here ! still i dont see why you try and use this to portray him in a negative light . you still didnt elaborate as to how rossi has put himself over the sport that stopped you being a fan ,as you stated in an earler post, you more than intitled to your opinion and not to support whoever you like, but im interested to no being a fan myself .


I will tell you why.Because it is calculated to get what he wants.Dorna has hung their hat on Rossi's popularity and he knows it.He is no more going to quit than i am going to start racing Gp next year.By being willing to split the camp at Yamaha tells me all i need to know about his character.Threatening retirement,splitting teams,that is selfish and putting yourself above everything else.I dont know who i blame more,Rossi for acting the way he is,or Dorna for being his lap dog.You just cant have the governing body of a sport doing back alley deals in favor of one of the participants.Yamaha should put their foot down and show everyone who is boss and get this thing back on track.Tell him, you work for us,we pay the bills, if your not happy,dont let the door hit you in the ... on the way out.This ........ of the hired help calling the shots is what the problem is.I promise you Yamaha does not want a split camp next year.I cant see anything positive coming out of that arrangment but to him,the team means nothing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Oct 23 2007, 05:58 AM) [snapback]96618[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I mean financially could they pull it off.

If it went to a new supplier they would be completely lost and lap times would be really poor for a while.
Dunlop would be a great choice as they would supply all of MotoGP


... but then Yamaha would have an advantage as they have two years worth of data from Tech3 racing on Dunlops!

That would favour one manufacturer above the others!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krusty @ Oct 22 2007, 10:36 PM) [snapback]96636[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
... but then Yamaha would have an advantage as they have two years worth of data from Tech3 racing on Dunlops!

That would favour one manufacturer above the others!


Not as much as if Michelin or Bridgestone got it then there would be more teams affected but i feel it needs to be a manufacturer we already have and Dunlop with only two bikes are the best choice.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(povol @ Oct 22 2007, 10:29 PM) [snapback]96634[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I will tell you why.Because it is calculated to get what he wants.Dorna has hung their hat on Rossi's popularity and he knows it.He is no more going to quit than i am going to start racing Gp next year.By being willing to split the camp at Yamaha tells me all i need to know about his character.Threatening retirement,splitting teams,that is selfish and putting yourself above everything else.I dont know who i blame more,Rossi for acting the way he is,or Dorna for being his lap dog.You just cant have the governing body of a sport doing back alley deals in favor of one of the participants.Yamaha should put their foot down and show everyone who is boss and get this thing back on track.Tell him, you work for us,we pay the bills, if your not happy,dont let the door hit you in the ... on the way out.This ........ of the hired help calling the shots is what the problem is.I promise you Yamaha does not want a split camp next year.I cant see anything positive coming out of that arrangment but to him,the team means nothing.

damn, sounds like your mind is made up, as i said, i will wait and see was official info comes out and what the end result is before i pass judgment.
i seem to remember you being very anti rossi well before this, yet you only point out points from this "silly season". you said you used to be a fan ! any way im sure you had your reasons.

i agree in princable what you have said regarding the hired help as you put it calling the shots, its just i think this has all been blown up out of proportion by the media and some fans.
to be honest, i couldn't really give a .... who calls what shots and what rubbers they use or who wins, all i want is exciting racing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Oct 23 2007, 07:38 AM) [snapback]96637[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Not as much as if Michelin or Bridgestone got it then there would be more teams affected but i feel it needs to be a manufacturer we already have and Dunlop with only two bikes are the best choice.


If they go to a single tyre rule (and they won't) it should NOT be awarded to any of the current manufacturers supplying tyres in MotoGP.

Imagine the uproar from the Bridgestone or Michelin teams if the other manufacturer were awarded the contract?! It would be heading to the courts before you could gets the words "Stoner is God" out of your mouth!

Same applies to Dunlop ... one manufacturer has a distinct advantage!

It's different when the tyre is chosen, but when it is imposed on them ... that's another story! This is a business!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krusty @ Oct 22 2007, 10:36 PM) [snapback]96636[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
... but then Yamaha would have an advantage as they have two years worth of data from Tech3 racing on Dunlops!

That would favour one manufacturer above the others!

thats true but they only ran 2 bikes, they didnt win any races and both riders that rode for them will be on different tyres and teams, dunno where tamadas going which leaves the rookie ginters going to duc which it a totally different bike to the tech3 yam so i cant see much of an advantage there, so this has to be the fairest choice out of the 3.

I am very grateful that bridgestone provided the tyres that won casey stoner the world championship/were good enough for him to win the world championship or whatever you want to argue, but I doubt they are bike racing purists only involved for the love of competition. They have put a lot of work and money into motogp, and good luck to them for finally coming out
on top this season, but I am sure they see some commercial benefit.

I think anyone in their current position, with large numbers of people of the exact type you would want to target ( ie people interested enough in bikes and possibly cars to care about what tyres their conveyances have) believing that possibly the greatest rider of all time has been beaten mainly because of the technological superiority of their tyres, would be happy for the status quo to be maintained.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 23 2007, 07:54 AM) [snapback]96642[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
thats true but they only ran 2 bikes, they didnt win any races and both riders that rode for them will be on different tyres and teams, dunno where tamadas going which leaves the rookie ginters going to duc which it a totally different bike to the tech3 yam so i cant see much of an advantage there, so this has to be the fairest choice out of the 3.


My point was not about the riders but that Yamaha now have 2 years worth of information about how their bikes work on all the circuits with Dunlop tyres (that said probably only this years is relevant). That has to be an advantage ... maybe not a big one, but it is still an advantage!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krusty @ Oct 23 2007, 05:19 AM) [snapback]96658[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
My point was not about the riders but that Yamaha now have 2 years worth of information about how their bikes work on all the circuits with Dunlop tyres (that said probably only this years is relevant). That has to be an advantage ... maybe not a big one, but it is still an advantage!

i agree, i should go to a new tyre firm that has not been involved,i said that in an earler post. my point was ,if they chose from this years 3 it should be dunlop in the interests of fairness. but there are some here who will scream foul and say rossi threatened dorna bla bla bla if what ever tyre he happens to be using gets the contract.
im still in the no camp with regards to control tyres in motogp. dona just needs to let all teams have more tyres over the weekend

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 23 2007, 05:10 AM) [snapback]96663[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i agree, i should go to a new tyre firm that has not been involved,i said that in an earler post. my point was ,if they chose from this years 3 it should be dunlop in the interests of fairness. but there are some here who will scream foul and say rossi threatened dorna bla bla bla if what ever tyre he happens to be using gets the contract.
im still in the no camp with regards to control tyres in motogp. dona just needs to let all teams have more tyres over the weekend


Bridgestone made that concession [allowing more tires,i believe up to 40] but that wasnt good enough for Rossi.He wants them Stones bad.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(povol @ Oct 23 2007, 05:39 PM) [snapback]96744[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Bridgestone made that concession [allowing more tires,i believe up to 40] but that wasnt good enough for Rossi.He wants them Stones bad.

the amount of allocated tyres and which brand a rider wants are 2 totally different issues.

you all sound like a bunch of squaking birds

here's what they should do:

No one gets tire sponsors....all and any tire maker sets up their trucks...and SELL their tires to whom ever wants them...

also they can only use tires that they have for sale on store shelves..

problem solved.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 22 2007, 05:49 PM) [snapback]96639[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
damn, sounds like your mind is made up, as i said, i will wait and see was official info comes out and what the end result is before i pass judgment.
i seem to remember you being very anti rossi well before this, yet you only point out points from this "silly season". you said you used to be a fan ! any way im sure you had your reasons.

i agree in princable what you have said regarding the hired help as you put it calling the shots, its just i think this has all been blown up out of proportion by the media and some fans.
to be honest, i couldn't really give a .... who calls what shots and what rubbers they use or who wins, all i want is exciting racing.

I was not anti Ross until this but i was very vocal about people who said Nicky didnt belong.Maybe that was what you remembered.We had some heated debates about the differences in Hayden and Pedro's bike in 06.I have always admired Ross's skills and if Hayden couldnt win,Go Rossi.So in essence,he was my second favorite.But like ive stated,im a fan of GP first, and any rider comes second to the sport. In my eyes.he got to big for his britches and thought he was bigger than the sport.There are many talanted athletes in this world that i despise because it is all about them and they have no respect for their sport.Im not 100% there on Rossi because this is the first time ive seen this side of him and i believe he does have passion for Moto Gp but this attitude that he should have anything he wants is not becoming.Im quite a bit older than most of you and maybe its a generartion gap thing where what i see is bad,you see as normal.I am definatley OLD SCHOOL

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(povol @ Oct 23 2007, 09:13 PM) [snapback]96791[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I was not anti Ross until this but i was very vocal about people who said Nicky didnt belong.Maybe that was what you remembered.We had some heated debates about the differences in Hayden and Pedro's bike in 06.I have always admired Ross's skills and if Hayden couldnt win,Go Rossi.So in essence,he was my second favorite.But like ive stated,im a fan of GP first, and any rider comes second to the sport. In my eyes.he got to big for his britches and thought he was bigger than the sport.There are many talanted athletes in this world that i despise because it is all about them and they have no respect for their sport.Im not 100% there on Rossi because this is the first time ive seen this side of him and i believe he does have passion for Moto Gp but this attitude that he should have anything he wants is not becoming.Im quite a bit older than most of you and maybe its a generartion gap thing where what i see is bad,you see as normal.I am definatley OLD SCHOOL

ok grandad, i will try and remember the generation gap in future

i think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one mate. you think rossi is biting the hand that has fed him for so long and altho i can understand that point of view i personaly beleive he has paid any debt by giving them 5 championships and staying with them for 2 bad seasons.

you ride povol. if your tyre looked like this would you buy another ?
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thats one bumpy ride

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 23 2007, 03:55 PM) [snapback]96802[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

you ride povol. if your tyre looked like this would you buy another ?
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Right for my two penneth. Rossi is clearly as mad as a box of frogs if he thinks that Yamaha are going to let their two riders run on different tyres am I right in thinking bridgestone would only supply one rider. But I'm sure stranger things have happened but there you go. Single tyre rule great, sorts the men from the boys.

As for ducati winning the wc this year. Does anyone really think that Honda in the scheme of things give a flying f if Ducati win.....at the end of the day it's like comparing a ferrari with ...........errr a honda lets face it as far as marketing and sales of bikes are concerned they are in different leagues. Honda wanna beat everyone, Yamaha wanna beat honda, Suzuki wanna beat Kawasaki and vice versa blah blah Whether Ducati win or not is not really going to make a big impact on sales of bikes but yamaha beating honda might etc etc. Anyway all this who said what to whom .... is quite amusing.

Liz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(povol @ Oct 23 2007, 10:13 PM) [snapback]96791[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I was not anti Ross until this but i was very vocal about people who said Nicky didnt belong.Maybe that was what you remembered.We had some heated debates about the differences in Hayden and Pedro's bike in 06.I have always admired Ross's skills and if Hayden couldnt win,Go Rossi.So in essence,he was my second favorite.But like ive stated,im a fan of GP first, and any rider comes second to the sport. In my eyes.he got to big for his britches and thought he was bigger than the sport.There are many talanted athletes in this world that i despise because it is all about them and they have no respect for their sport.Im not 100% there on Rossi because this is the first time ive seen this side of him and i believe he does have passion for Moto Gp but this attitude that he should have anything he wants is not becoming.Im quite a bit older than most of you and maybe its a generartion gap thing where what i see is bad,you see as normal.I am definatley OLD SCHOOL


Povol, you need to separate a few things.
If Rossi are the one pressuring Dorna to gain access to Bridgestone tires then I agreee with everything you say but:
If this is simply Rossi's spoken wish handed over to yamaha, as he says, all you claim are wrong.
Rossi can not be held responsible for what Dorna are doing, in his favor or not. You may not like it, I sure doesn't but blaming Rossi is just pointing the wrong way. Rossi are just as powerful as others are admitting him to be.
While he certainly are aware that he has influence he can not let that come between him and his career. It's absurd if he should avoid to attempt changes that others do all the time just because he know it will stir things up.
As it look right now Dorna has it's own agenda for pushing Bridgestone, and are not bending over for Rossi's claimed pressure.

If you despise the possibility that he has become too pwerful, that's fair enough. But when you mix that with a ton of hearsay and blame everything happening on him then you have loost cantact with the ground.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Oct 23 2007, 06:22 PM) [snapback]96812[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Povol, you need to separate a few things.
If Rossi are the one pressuring Dorna to gain access to Bridgestone tires then I agreee with everything you say but:
If this is simply Rossi's spoken wish handed over to yamaha, as he says, all you claim are wrong.
Rossi can not be held responsible for what Dorna are doing, in his favor or not. You may not like it, I sure doesn't but blaming Rossi is just pointing the wrong way. Rossi are just as powerful as others are admitting him to be.
While he certainly are aware that he has influence he can not let that come between him and his career. It's absurd if he should avoid to attempt changes that others do all the time just because he know it will stir things up.
As it look right now Dorna has it's own agenda for pushing Bridgestone, and are not bending over for Rossi's claimed pressure.

If you despise the possibility that he has become too pwerful, that's fair enough. But when you mix that with a ton of hearsay and blame everything happening on him then you have loost cantact with the ground.


This whole thing started when Rossi went public and said the tire situation was ruining Moto Gp.That was code speak that said,Im not happy,do something about it.When Dorna was told to jump,they did.Rossi and Pedrosa have stated in public that they want Bridgestones,Pedrosa was even holding out signing to get them.It appears Rossi even threatened to quit if he didnt get his way.Unless we are there,everthing is speculatory,but all insiders are saying Rossi is calling the shots on this and from the way it has evolved,i dont see how you can say he isnt.Dorna used the excuse that ratings were down in their 2 biggest markets,Italy and Spain but, only one rider is getting what he wants and the kid from Spain gets nothing.You would think that if they were concerned about the Spanish market,Pedrosa would get the goodies also.Its way to transparant that this is about one guy and one guy only and that is what has my nuts in a bunch.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(povol @ Oct 24 2007, 12:57 AM) [snapback]96818[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
This whole thing started when Rossi went public and said the tire situation was ruining Moto Gp.That was code speak that said,Im not happy,do something about it.When Dorna was told to jump,they did.Rossi and Pedrosa have stated in public that they want Bridgestones,Pedrosa was even holding out signing to get them.It appears Rossi even threatened to quit if he didnt get his way.Unless we are there,everthing is speculatory,but all insiders are saying Rossi is calling the shots on this and from the way it has evolved,i dont see how you can say he isnt.Dorna used the excuse that ratings were down in their 2 biggest markets,Italy and Spain but, only one rider is getting what he wants and the kid from Spain gets nothing.You would think that if they were concerned about the Spanish market,Pedrosa would get the goodies also.Its way to transparant that this is about one guy and one guy only and that is what has my nuts in a bunch.


You are taking a huge pile of .... made by jounalists and make it into one big master plan made by Rossi.
"That was code speak"! what kind of ........ is that? When Rossi open his mouth it's code, when others do they are outspoken? Get a grip man, really!
You got ONE thing right, "unless we are there, everything is speculatory" and you are truly the master of speculation.