Rossi set to race on Bridgestone in 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 22 2007, 09:37 AM) [snapback]96550[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Ezpeleta has denied any such ultimatum was given to bridgstone, i think that was pure speculation by the media, they put 2 +2 together and came up with 6. rossi asking to switch to stones and dorna looking into a single tyre rule are 2 totally separate things but the press put them together and all the rossi haters latched on to this. pretty amusing how gullible some people are


He can deny all he wants to but this is a quote from the head of Bridgestone Racing

Hiroishi Yamaha, Motorsport Manager for Bridgestone, told Italian journalists in Sepang, Malaysia, that Ezpeleta pressured him on Saturday to either supply Bridgestone tires to Valentino Rossi or he would make good on his threat to impose a single tire system in MotoGP (Michelin intends to bid “whatever it takes” to obtain exclusive rights, Ezpeleta said last week in Australia).

Yamada passed this message on to his boss, Hiroshi Yasukawa, the overall competition director of the world’s largest tire manufacturer. It is unlikely that Yasukawa, the man who directed Bridgestone’s Formula 1 efforts prior to the withdrawal of Michelin and the subsequent acquisition of role of sole supplier in F1, has ever received such a frank ultimatum, even from the likes of Bernie Ecclestone.

They can claim lost in translation all they want but the gist of the story remains constant.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(povol @ Oct 22 2007, 02:49 PM) [snapback]96554[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
He can deny all he wants to but this is a quote from the head of Bridgestone Racing

Hiroishi Yamaha, Motorsport Manager for Bridgestone, told Italian journalists in Sepang, Malaysia, that Ezpeleta pressured him on Saturday to either supply Bridgestone tires to Valentino Rossi or he would make good on his threat to impose a single tire system in MotoGP (Michelin intends to bid “whatever it takes” to obtain exclusive rights, Ezpeleta said last week in Australia).

Yamada passed this message on to his boss, Hiroshi Yasukawa, the overall competition director of the world’s largest tire manufacturer. It is unlikely that Yasukawa, the man who directed Bridgestone’s Formula 1 efforts prior to the withdrawal of Michelin and the subsequent acquisition of role of sole supplier in F1, has ever received such a frank ultimatum, even from the likes of Bernie Ecclestone.

They can claim lost in translation all they want but the gist of the story remains constant.

i also read that on speed.com web site, but it's all hear say. non of us no exactly what was said jurno's included because non were at any meetings, but you have already made up your mind and thats fine mate. me, i will wait and see what is said officially rather than listen to non factual hear say.
the single tyre rule as i understand it was being batted about long before rossi asked for stones. press hype imo.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 22 2007, 10:02 AM) [snapback]96557[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i also read that on speed.com web site, but it's all hear say. non of us no exactly what was said jurno's included because non were at any meetings, but you have already made up your mind and thats fine mate. me, i will wait and see what is said officially rather than listen to non factual hear say.
the single tyre rule as i understand it was being batted about long before rossi asked for stones. press hype imo.


He [Hiroishi Yamaha] either said it or he didnt.Im sure at least one Reporter had the tape rolling during the interview.So far i havnt been able to find any retractions or claims of being misquoted.That was a pretty simple statement that would be hard to misinterprete.What drives me is not my dislike for Rossi.I used to be a fan of his but he has put himself above the sport and that is when i soured on him.If the mindset that Dorna is manipulating the sport grows legs,they might end up wishing they never heard of Valentino Rossi.The short term windfall could turn into a long term disaster if the fan perceives this for what it is.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(povol @ Oct 22 2007, 03:30 PM) [snapback]96562[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
He [Hiroishi Yamaha] either said it or he didnt.Im sure at least one Reporter had the tape rolling during the interview.So far i havnt been able to find any retractions or claims of being misquoted.That was a pretty simple statement that would be hard to misinterprete.What drives me is not my dislike for Rossi.I used to be a fan of his but he has put himself above the sport and that is when i soured on him.If the mindset that Dorna is manipulating the sport grows legs,they might end up wishing they never heard of Valentino Rossi.The short term windfall could turn into a long term disaster if the fan perceives this for what it is.

but no one has published any such tape, and i no for a fact the japanese would not go blabbing to the media about anything that was said by dona, they just dont do that !

........, all the rossi haters say "i used ti be a fan of his". how has he put himself above the sport ?, rossi has done more for the sport than anybody, whether it be bringing it to the masses or saftey issues, remember the saftey council that only rossi and capi can be bothered to run for ALL the riders saftey.

tell 'em Rog!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(povol @ Oct 22 2007, 02:30 PM) [snapback]96562[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
He [Hiroishi Yamaha] either said it or he didnt.Im sure at least one Reporter had the tape rolling during the interview.So far i havnt been able to find any retractions or claims of being misquoted.That was a pretty simple statement that would be hard to misinterprete.What drives me is not my dislike for Rossi.I used to be a fan of his but he has put himself above the sport and that is when i soured on him.If the mindset that Dorna is manipulating the sport grows legs,they might end up wishing they never heard of Valentino Rossi.The short term windfall could turn into a long term disaster if the fan perceives this for what it is.


I agree with mylexicon that dorna have not acted malevolently in setting this years rules. I cannot see how even in advance dorna or anyone else could have thought they were likely to help rossi. They were always more likely to hinder him and were probably genuinely intended to promote closer racing, although the effect would seem to have been the opposite.

I agree with you in general though, in that actual motor bike racing is not necessarily dorna's primary interest. I don't know whether the current dorna people have a bike racing background or not, but there doesn't seem to be anything to stop bankers/venture capitalists or whatever with no interest in bike racing per se from owning and running the sport in the future under the current structure. This seems likely to at least result in further decisions which are stupid even when they are well intentioned.

Who would win the tyre battle if it came down to a single tyre and how strong are a company like Pirelli?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Oct 22 2007, 04:50 PM) [snapback]96575[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Who would win the tyre battle if it came down to a single tyre and how strong are a company like Pirelli?

if they go the single tyre rule way i dont think it should be michilin or bridgstone because there would be an unfair advantage for the teams/riders that have used them this season. Dunlop would be the fairest opyion out of the existing 3 but it should go to someone who has not been involved imo.

what do you mean by "how strong are a company like Pirelli?"
i dont think they will be able to supplie motogp because they already the sole supplier in wsb.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 22 2007, 10:49 AM) [snapback]96567[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
but no one has published any such tape, and i no for a fact the japanese would not go blabbing to the media about anything that was said by dona, they just dont do that !

........, all the rossi haters say "i used ti be a fan of his". how has he put himself above the sport ?, rossi has done more for the sport than anybody, whether it be bringing it to the masses or saftey issues, remember the saftey council that only rossi and capi can be bothered to run for ALL the riders saftey.


Roger,this is a debate on a Gp forum.As far as i know,no one in the media or Bridgestone has called for proof of what was said.I doubt they are going to publish a tape for a debate between Roger and Povol.Like i said,he either said it or he didnt.If he did,there will be proof if he denies it.If he denies it and there is no proof,case closed.Most reporters get .... on tape to cover their ....This is a forum debate,as of yet,no one but Dorna has had anything to say about it and of course they are going to deny it, even if it happened.What was said between Dorna and Bridgestone cannot be proved.What was said between Bridgestone and the press can.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Frizzle @ Oct 22 2007, 05:10 AM) [snapback]96541[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>Of course there is nothing wrong with him wanting the best equipment.
How you guys can't see that there is anything wrong with the way he has gone about it along with the Dorna president basically giving Bridgestone an ultimatum is actually quite amusing.

You're right about the rumored ultimatum. I was just replying to those who criticized Rossi for being disloyal to Michelin and wanting the best tires so that he could win more often.

I think having a previously unwilling Bridgestone bullied into supplying Rossi next year is the worst case scenario. I would rather see a control tire (which doesn't bother me anyway) or a repeat of this year's situation than that. Such string pulling would damage the integrity and credibility of the sport.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 22 2007, 08:49 AM) [snapback]96567[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>rossi has done more for the sport than anybody, whether it be bringing it to the masses or saftey issues, remember the saftey council that only rossi and capi can be bothered to run for ALL the riders saftey.

More than Kenny Snr?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mr. Shupe @ Oct 22 2007, 05:54 PM) [snapback]96583[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
You're right about the rumored ultimatum. I was just replying to those who criticized Rossi for being disloyal to Michelin and wanting the best tires so that he could win more often.

I think having a previously unwilling Bridgestone bullied into supplying Rossi next year is the worst case scenario. I would rather see a control tire (which doesn't bother me anyway) or a repeat of this year's situation than that. Such string pulling would damage the integrity and credibility of the sport.
More than Kenny Snr?

good point, both are true ambassadors to our sport imo.

if dorna have in anyway given bridgestone such an ultimatum then there out of order, but as you pointed out here mr shupe its just a rumor. what got my goat up is how some members went straight for vales throat and making all sorts of outlandish comments because of a mere rumor. if dorna throw there weight about i dont see why rossi gets the blame for that. all he wants is to be competitive again,its not as if he used some sort of vito to stop others switching.
altho i quoted you here, im in now way implying you made any such comments. this was more a carry on from my friend povols and i's debate,

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 22 2007, 01:40 PM) [snapback]96593[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
good point, both are true ambassadors to our sport imo.

if dorna have in anyway given bridgestone such an ultimatum then there out of order, but as you pointed out here mr shupe its just a rumor. what got my goat up is how some members went straight for vales throat and making all sorts of outlandish comments because of a mere rumor. if dorna throw there weight about i dont see why rossi gets the blame for that. all he wants is to be competitive again,its not as if he used some sort of vito to stop others switching.
altho i quoted you here, im in now way implying you made any such comments. this was more a carry on from my friend povols and i's debate,



Its like they all want to see Rossi be the bad guy.. The only problem is hes just asking to switch tires. Whats so bad about that. Most of the grid has done it. Why not him?

These guys are very quick to kick Rossi while hes down, and believe every bad thing that gets printed.
How come none of them bring up that Yamada interview. Where he says hes honored that a champion like Rossi is interested in there tires.

Why dont you guys believe that print? I think i know why.


Or how about these 2 prints?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63529

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63527

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(esco @ Oct 22 2007, 07:10 PM) [snapback]96600[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Its like they all want to see Rossi be the bad guy.. The only problem is hes just asking to switch tires. Whats so bad about that. Most of the grid has done it. Why not him?

These guys are very quick to kick Rossi while hes down, and believe every bad thing that gets printed.
How come none of them bring up that Yamada interview. Where he says hes honored that a champion like Rossi is interested in there tires.

Why dont you guys believe that print? I think i know why.

you get the idea mate

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(povol @ Oct 22 2007, 05:06 PM) [snapback]96579[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Roger,this is a debate on a Gp forum.As far as i know,no one in the media or Bridgestone has called for proof of what was said.I doubt they are going to publish a tape for a debate between Roger and Povol.Like i said,he either said it or he didnt.If he did,there will be proof if he denies it.If he denies it and there is no proof,case closed.Most reporters get .... on tape to cover their ....This is a forum debate,as of yet,no one but Dorna has had anything to say about it and of course they are going to deny it, even if it happened.What was said between Dorna and Bridgestone cannot be proved.What was said between Bridgestone and the press can.




Many reporters just twist stuff to make good copy my friend.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(yamaka46 @ Oct 22 2007, 02:31 PM) [snapback]96604[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>


Many reporters just twist stuff to make good copy my friend.


So true,and if the reporters did not get audio proof,i will discount it as twisted rumor.If it comes down to he said she said,i would tend to side with Yamada.There was also a report out where Rossi threatened to quit if he didnt get Bridgestone's.It was obviously more than a rumor because the next day he retracted his statement and said,Maybe i didnt understand the question.That tells me he did make the threat and once advised of his miscue he recanted.

I would think honesty is more likely to come from the japanease men in suits than a passionate you Latin man with a ego that needs flattering.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(povol @ Oct 22 2007, 08:33 PM) [snapback]96612[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
So true,and if the reporters did not get audio proof,i will discount it as twisted rumor.If it comes down to he said she said,i would tend to side with Yamada.There was also a report out where Rossi threatened to quit if he didnt get Bridgestone's.It was obviously more than a rumor because the next day he retracted his statement and said,Maybe i didnt understand the question.That tells me he did make the threat and once advised of his miscue he recanted.

even if he did say this so what ?
im sure he has asked himself many times when things are not right and theres no cure in sight what the .... am i doing here ! still i dont see why you try and use this to portray him in a negative light . you still didnt elaborate as to how rossi has put himself over the sport that stopped you being a fan ,as you stated in an earler post, you more than intitled to your opinion and not to support whoever you like, but im interested to no being a fan myself .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 22 2007, 04:56 PM) [snapback]96578[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
what do you mean by "how strong are a company like Pirelli?"
i dont think they will be able to supplie motogp because they already the sole supplier in wsb.


I mean financially could they pull it off.

If it went to a new supplier they would be completely lost and lap times would be really poor for a while.
Dunlop would be a great choice as they would supply all of MotoGP

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Oct 22 2007, 08:58 PM) [snapback]96618[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I mean financially could they pull it off.

If it went to a new supplier they would be completely lost and lap times would be really poor for a while.
Dunlop would be a great choice as they would supply all of MotoGP

im not sure they could seeing they are already the sole brand in wsb but who nows !
my personal choice would also be dunlop cos there british

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 22 2007, 03:55 PM) [snapback]96617[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
even if he did say this so what ?
im sure he has asked himself many times when things are not right and theres no cure in sight what the .... am i doing here ! still i dont see why you try and use this to portray him in a negative light . you still didnt elaborate as to how rossi has put himself over the sport that stopped you being a fan ,as you stated in an earler post, you more than intitled to your opinion and not to support whoever you like, but im interested to no being a fan myself .



Perfect example right here. Why don't u read the whole article again and this time post up what he really said. He said no matter what happens he would be racing in 2008. He is being honest. He said he would preffer bstones, but if he ends up with shreddies then he would still race.

Give the guy a break