Is it not a coincidence that Rossi sucks when Michelin sucks but hes always the top michelin runner whatever happens.
Rossi set to race on Bridgestone in 2008
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Oct 20 2007, 04:15 PM) [snapback]96119[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Is it not a coincidence that Rossi sucks when Michelin sucks but hes always the top michelin runner whatever happens.
What has that got to do with this discussion?
No one is questioning his talent.
Is it not a coincidence that Rossi sucks when Michelin sucks but hes always the top michelin runner whatever happens.
What has that got to do with this discussion?
No one is questioning his talent.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(povol @ Oct 19 2007, 07:52 PM) [snapback]96048[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I guess if he doesnt win next year he can demand Stoners bike .Im disappointed in pretty much everyone involved.Rossi for being a whiny ... .....,Dorna for showing blatant favortism,and Bridgestone for not sticking to their guns.This is a smack in the face to every rider that sufferd thru developing the Bridgestone only to be sold out by the powers that be.
I agree with all of this povol! I've gone completely off the guy and completely off Yamaha. How on earth did Dorna squeeze Bridgstine into it? The fact that they would agree to this blows me. Perhaps it was given as an ultimatum, 'this way or control tyre' , who really knows eh? I guess we'll get the whole story in someone's biography eventually. Whilst I can appreciate Dorna's concern over how good the racing is/isn't, this hardly stacks up as an even handed and fair way to help that happen, to benefit every guy on the grid, is it? The whole thing ....... stinks and I'd bet my house not one single rider is impressed either.
"...Hey, let's make the racing better, give Rossi Bridgestones! "
"...What about everybody else Carmelo?!"
"....... them.....as long as Rossi is happy, everything will turn out fine"
I guess if he doesnt win next year he can demand Stoners bike .Im disappointed in pretty much everyone involved.Rossi for being a whiny ... .....,Dorna for showing blatant favortism,and Bridgestone for not sticking to their guns.This is a smack in the face to every rider that sufferd thru developing the Bridgestone only to be sold out by the powers that be.
I agree with all of this povol! I've gone completely off the guy and completely off Yamaha. How on earth did Dorna squeeze Bridgstine into it? The fact that they would agree to this blows me. Perhaps it was given as an ultimatum, 'this way or control tyre' , who really knows eh? I guess we'll get the whole story in someone's biography eventually. Whilst I can appreciate Dorna's concern over how good the racing is/isn't, this hardly stacks up as an even handed and fair way to help that happen, to benefit every guy on the grid, is it? The whole thing ....... stinks and I'd bet my house not one single rider is impressed either.
"...Hey, let's make the racing better, give Rossi Bridgestones! "
"...What about everybody else Carmelo?!"
"....... them.....as long as Rossi is happy, everything will turn out fine"
according to eurosport, no rider or team has been given an answer about there request to use stones. they said the japanese dont like to say no, they just ignore the question.
so what are all you rossi haters getting all wound up about.
the the hell shouldn't rossi ask for stones if he thinks there better,we dont no whats been said by michilin behind closed doors that may have prompted this desision.
i think the real feeling behind the many threads descussing this is FEAR. you non rossi fans want to see rossi handicapt,ie using michilins. no one has kicked up about dani also asking for stones next season !
so what are all you rossi haters getting all wound up about.
the the hell shouldn't rossi ask for stones if he thinks there better,we dont no whats been said by michilin behind closed doors that may have prompted this desision.
i think the real feeling behind the many threads descussing this is FEAR. you non rossi fans want to see rossi handicapt,ie using michilins. no one has kicked up about dani also asking for stones next season !
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(antfan @ Oct 20 2007, 12:02 PM) [snapback]96158[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Good god, would you listen to the man? Hes a raving lunatic!
and thats you contribution to the debate, very insightful !
im quoting what juels said last night on eurosport ! you rossi haters offer up no facts just emotion like "rossi is turning the sport on its head "and "t's pretty obvious who is running the show now isn't it."
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even eurosport have not got it straight. there comentators say one thing then one of there junos says another. i think its great news if rossi gets stones, who cares whats "fair "for lorenzo, rossi has had to do all his own data and development work, so its only fair lorenzo should do the same.
ean-Philippe Weber, the French manufacturer's competitions director said that pressure from the five-time world champion to switch to Bridgestone rubber next season in a bid to close the performance gap to Casey Stoner and Ducati, had finally paid off.
"He [Rossi] has said he must switch to Bridgestones and you can't go against the desire of the riders, so we cannot remain with him," said Weber.
Rossi, and Repsol Honda rider Dani Pedrosa, Moto GP's biggest stars, have been campaigning since mid-season to get their teams to switch to Bridgestones for 2008.
Although Bridgestone initially issued a firm "no" to both squads following requests for a switch, it is believed that pressure from championship bosses Dorna to switch to a single-tyre rule in 2008 unless they gave way, has led to the move.
Officially, nothing has been confirmed, but Dorna have said that a decision on whether or not a single-tyre formula will be adopted next season, will be announced next week.
With only Bridgestone even willing to consider bidding for the contract, should one come up, Rossi's move will not affect what rubber he uses.
Rossi was only 16th fastest in practice for the Malaysian Grand Prix, and knew instantly where the blame lay.
"It's very disappointing for me to be here, at one of my favourite tracks where we know our bike goes well, in 16th position! We don't have any grip, especially in front, and we were very slow today.
"We've tried a lot of tyres and different settings but so far we haven't been able to make much progress."
Rossi's switch will create a unique situation within the Yamaha squad as his new team-mate Jorge Lorenzo will use Michelin rubber, a move which will almost certainly upset the development of their 2008 motorcycle.
The Tech-3 Yamahas of James Toseland and Colin Edwards will also use the French rubber, switching from the current British-made Dunlops.
Whether or not Pedrosa will also switch is yet to be decided.
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Good god, would you listen to the man? Hes a raving lunatic!
and thats you contribution to the debate, very insightful !
im quoting what juels said last night on eurosport ! you rossi haters offer up no facts just emotion like "rossi is turning the sport on its head "and "t's pretty obvious who is running the show now isn't it."
even eurosport have not got it straight. there comentators say one thing then one of there junos says another. i think its great news if rossi gets stones, who cares whats "fair "for lorenzo, rossi has had to do all his own data and development work, so its only fair lorenzo should do the same.
ean-Philippe Weber, the French manufacturer's competitions director said that pressure from the five-time world champion to switch to Bridgestone rubber next season in a bid to close the performance gap to Casey Stoner and Ducati, had finally paid off.
"He [Rossi] has said he must switch to Bridgestones and you can't go against the desire of the riders, so we cannot remain with him," said Weber.
Rossi, and Repsol Honda rider Dani Pedrosa, Moto GP's biggest stars, have been campaigning since mid-season to get their teams to switch to Bridgestones for 2008.
Although Bridgestone initially issued a firm "no" to both squads following requests for a switch, it is believed that pressure from championship bosses Dorna to switch to a single-tyre rule in 2008 unless they gave way, has led to the move.
Officially, nothing has been confirmed, but Dorna have said that a decision on whether or not a single-tyre formula will be adopted next season, will be announced next week.
With only Bridgestone even willing to consider bidding for the contract, should one come up, Rossi's move will not affect what rubber he uses.
Rossi was only 16th fastest in practice for the Malaysian Grand Prix, and knew instantly where the blame lay.
"It's very disappointing for me to be here, at one of my favourite tracks where we know our bike goes well, in 16th position! We don't have any grip, especially in front, and we were very slow today.
"We've tried a lot of tyres and different settings but so far we haven't been able to make much progress."
Rossi's switch will create a unique situation within the Yamaha squad as his new team-mate Jorge Lorenzo will use Michelin rubber, a move which will almost certainly upset the development of their 2008 motorcycle.
The Tech-3 Yamahas of James Toseland and Colin Edwards will also use the French rubber, switching from the current British-made Dunlops.
Whether or not Pedrosa will also switch is yet to be decided.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 20 2007, 11:55 AM) [snapback]96157[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
you non rossi fans want to see rossi handicapt,ie using michilins. no one has kicked up about dani also asking for stones next season !
honestly i think it has been a shortsighted knee jerk reaction for Dani and Rossi to be spitting the dummy and asking for Bridgestones. However Dani doesn't have the power to manipulate the sport like Rossi does (or so we here). We should wait for some kind of confirmation before we assume its been done, but if it is i would expect Stoner to still beat Vale anyway and i would hope that Dani and Michelin make him regret it.
you non rossi fans want to see rossi handicapt,ie using michilins. no one has kicked up about dani also asking for stones next season !
honestly i think it has been a shortsighted knee jerk reaction for Dani and Rossi to be spitting the dummy and asking for Bridgestones. However Dani doesn't have the power to manipulate the sport like Rossi does (or so we here). We should wait for some kind of confirmation before we assume its been done, but if it is i would expect Stoner to still beat Vale anyway and i would hope that Dani and Michelin make him regret it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 20 2007, 09:29 PM) [snapback]96164[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
honestly i think it has been a shortsighted knee jerk reaction for Dani and Rossi to be spitting the dummy and asking for Bridgestones. However Dani doesn't have the power to manipulate the sport like Rossi does (or so we here). We should wait for some kind of confirmation before we assume its been done, but if it is i would expect Stoner to still beat Vale anyway and i would hope that Dani and Michelin make him regret it.
Here here! If Rossi gets his way, I hope Michelin hand him his arse in 08, just to see The Doctor go crawling back..
Could he slap them in the face any harder? What, they only gave him five world titles, isnt that enough?
honestly i think it has been a shortsighted knee jerk reaction for Dani and Rossi to be spitting the dummy and asking for Bridgestones. However Dani doesn't have the power to manipulate the sport like Rossi does (or so we here). We should wait for some kind of confirmation before we assume its been done, but if it is i would expect Stoner to still beat Vale anyway and i would hope that Dani and Michelin make him regret it.
Here here! If Rossi gets his way, I hope Michelin hand him his arse in 08, just to see The Doctor go crawling back..
Could he slap them in the face any harder? What, they only gave him five world titles, isnt that enough?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(antfan @ Oct 20 2007, 12:37 PM) [snapback]96165[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Could he slap them in the face any harder? What, they only gave him five world titles, isnt that enough?
It's standard Rossi, if he feels his credibility is in doubt he will change something up.
Could he slap them in the face any harder? What, they only gave him five world titles, isnt that enough?
It's standard Rossi, if he feels his credibility is in doubt he will change something up.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 20 2007, 10:55 AM) [snapback]96157[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
according to eurosport, no rider or team has been given an answer about there request to use stones. they said the japanese dont like to say no, they just ignore the question.
so what are all you rossi haters getting all wound up about.
the the hell shouldn't rossi ask for stones if he thinks there better,we dont no whats been said by michilin behind closed doors that may have prompted this desision.
i think the real feeling behind the many threads descussing this is FEAR. you non rossi fans want to see rossi handicapt,ie using michilins. no one has kicked up about dani also asking for stones next season !
Rossi probably is not fanatically loyal to his current brand of breakfast cereal either.
according to eurosport, no rider or team has been given an answer about there request to use stones. they said the japanese dont like to say no, they just ignore the question.
so what are all you rossi haters getting all wound up about.
the the hell shouldn't rossi ask for stones if he thinks there better,we dont no whats been said by michilin behind closed doors that may have prompted this desision.
i think the real feeling behind the many threads descussing this is FEAR. you non rossi fans want to see rossi handicapt,ie using michilins. no one has kicked up about dani also asking for stones next season !
Rossi probably is not fanatically loyal to his current brand of breakfast cereal either.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 20 2007, 11:55 AM) [snapback]96157[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
so what are all you rossi haters getting all wound up about.
the the hell shouldn't rossi ask for stones if he thinks there better,we dont no whats been said by michilin behind closed doors that may have prompted this desision.
i think the real feeling behind the many threads descussing this is FEAR. you non rossi fans want to see rossi handicapt,ie using michilins. no one has kicked up about dani also asking for stones next season !
Wise up Rog, fear? Come on mate, give me more credit than that. I said I actually hope it works out for Rossi on stones but only for my own selfish reasons, that we'd get some great racing. But in the real world it's a dirty move by all involved. Yamaha's strategy in terms of the riders they've hired/retained and a new team structure for 2008 is obviously geared around going forward with their new 800 motor and Michelin. I'm sure this was not a route they took without careful consideration and much consultation with all involved, including Michelin. So with a solid, coherent Yamaha 4 bike strategy looking strong for '08, Rossi spits the dummy and says no, against even the wise words of his vastly more experienced chief tech JB. It can only create confusion at Yamaha and that's the last thing they need if they're going to beat Ducati and an every improving Honda. Kenny Snr said that going racing whilst trying to develop with one bike is insanely difficult, albeit impossible. Who am I to argue. Is it any different on any other bike? I am sure that Rossi's notion is not well thought of by Yamaha but nevertheless Rossi seems to know better, he has never raced on Bridgestones and neither has any Yamaha before so it could hardly be called an informed decision, more like dare I say it, desperation. What I'm ultimately saying is that I'm not impresssed with the way it's come about, who is? Yamaha have been too soft with him and I'll be amazed if it works, he may actually have a better chance of reclaiming his title on Michelins.
so what are all you rossi haters getting all wound up about.
the the hell shouldn't rossi ask for stones if he thinks there better,we dont no whats been said by michilin behind closed doors that may have prompted this desision.
i think the real feeling behind the many threads descussing this is FEAR. you non rossi fans want to see rossi handicapt,ie using michilins. no one has kicked up about dani also asking for stones next season !
Wise up Rog, fear? Come on mate, give me more credit than that. I said I actually hope it works out for Rossi on stones but only for my own selfish reasons, that we'd get some great racing. But in the real world it's a dirty move by all involved. Yamaha's strategy in terms of the riders they've hired/retained and a new team structure for 2008 is obviously geared around going forward with their new 800 motor and Michelin. I'm sure this was not a route they took without careful consideration and much consultation with all involved, including Michelin. So with a solid, coherent Yamaha 4 bike strategy looking strong for '08, Rossi spits the dummy and says no, against even the wise words of his vastly more experienced chief tech JB. It can only create confusion at Yamaha and that's the last thing they need if they're going to beat Ducati and an every improving Honda. Kenny Snr said that going racing whilst trying to develop with one bike is insanely difficult, albeit impossible. Who am I to argue. Is it any different on any other bike? I am sure that Rossi's notion is not well thought of by Yamaha but nevertheless Rossi seems to know better, he has never raced on Bridgestones and neither has any Yamaha before so it could hardly be called an informed decision, more like dare I say it, desperation. What I'm ultimately saying is that I'm not impresssed with the way it's come about, who is? Yamaha have been too soft with him and I'll be amazed if it works, he may actually have a better chance of reclaiming his title on Michelins.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 20 2007, 12:40 PM) [snapback]96166[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
It's standard Rossi, if he feels his credibility is in doubt he will change something up.
i completely disagree, how can that be posible when 3 years ago he left the best team with the best bike to ride an inferior bike in comparison? He knew the bike wasn't the best but still whooped everyone! This year he has had his ... handed to him on a plate and while Stoner is well and truelly on it noone can say its purely testament to his ability, he's been on by far the fastest bike with the best tyres....obviously Rossi is going ask for more speed/better tyres etc because he, and eveyone knows it, is not <u>that</u> much slower than Casey!
Look at the top 10 times from qualifying, how many Michelin runners are there? Point proven....
It's standard Rossi, if he feels his credibility is in doubt he will change something up.
i completely disagree, how can that be posible when 3 years ago he left the best team with the best bike to ride an inferior bike in comparison? He knew the bike wasn't the best but still whooped everyone! This year he has had his ... handed to him on a plate and while Stoner is well and truelly on it noone can say its purely testament to his ability, he's been on by far the fastest bike with the best tyres....obviously Rossi is going ask for more speed/better tyres etc because he, and eveyone knows it, is not <u>that</u> much slower than Casey!
Look at the top 10 times from qualifying, how many Michelin runners are there? Point proven....
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skidmark @ Oct 20 2007, 03:39 PM) [snapback]96185[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63465
"The situation is very clear, from our side. We struggled quite a lot with Michelin for the last two years,"
People seem to ....... forget that, it's not a new problem.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63465
"The situation is very clear, from our side. We struggled quite a lot with Michelin for the last two years,"
People seem to ....... forget that, it's not a new problem.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(frosty58 @ Oct 20 2007, 03:48 PM) [snapback]96188[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
this debate is gonna rage forever it seems! michelin will rebound & rossi will regret his decision. mark my words!
Just like they re-bounded in F1?
Just like they re-bounded in F1?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Goatboy @ Oct 20 2007, 02:48 PM) [snapback]96187[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
"The situation is very clear, from our side. We struggled quite a lot with Michelin for the last two years,"
People seem to ....... forget that, it's not a new problem.
I can see an argument for this, the gresini bikes were closer to the hrc bikes last year than you would expect satellite bikes to be.
I have no problem at all with rossi changing to bridgestones morally; I have never found tyres to present great ethical dilemmas myself.
I do agree with others that it may not be a prudent decision, as the 2008 yamaha has presumably been developed with michelins in mind and there will be no tyre testing data from the other yamahas. Rossi presumably knows what he is doing, though.
(apologies to alex29 for a post about tyres).
"The situation is very clear, from our side. We struggled quite a lot with Michelin for the last two years,"
People seem to ....... forget that, it's not a new problem.
I can see an argument for this, the gresini bikes were closer to the hrc bikes last year than you would expect satellite bikes to be.
I have no problem at all with rossi changing to bridgestones morally; I have never found tyres to present great ethical dilemmas myself.
I do agree with others that it may not be a prudent decision, as the 2008 yamaha has presumably been developed with michelins in mind and there will be no tyre testing data from the other yamahas. Rossi presumably knows what he is doing, though.
(apologies to alex29 for a post about tyres).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(frosty58 @ Oct 20 2007, 03:48 PM) [snapback]96188[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
this debate is gonna rage forever it seems! michelin will rebound & rossi will regret his decision. mark my words!
I agree there frosty, F1 is as different as tennis. Michelin will be on the attack, Rossi may turn out to be the new Biaggi and Lorenzo may turn out to be the new Stoner, it's all so confusing
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skidmark @ Oct 20 2007, 10:05 AM) [snapback]96195[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I agree there frosty, F1 is as different as tennis. Michelin will be on the attack, Rossi may turn out to be the new Biaggi and Lorenzo may turn out to be the new Stoner, it's all so confusing
and i'm lovin every minuet of it!!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Goatboy @ Oct 20 2007, 09:50 AM) [snapback]96189[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Just like they re-bounded in F1?
they did'nt get the chance.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Goatboy @ Oct 20 2007, 09:50 AM) [snapback]96189[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Just like they re-bounded in F1?
they did'nt get the chance.
I don't think that the data gathered by the other Bridgestone runners will ultimately do Vale much good.
He will have no historical data specific to the yamaha with which to work in 2008, plus he will be the only 'stone shod Yamaha rider thus limiting the amount of development & support available.
I agree that Tom & Frosty are correct when I say that in all actuality I believe this to be a hasty move on Rossi's part as he just might end up going backwards in development & come out more worse for wear than he is now.
Simply put though, there's no guarantee that the Rossi/Yamaha combo will take to the Bridgestones as well as others anyway & even if it does it will take considerable time to get at working at a level to start winning races... not to be compared with jumping ship from Honda in 2004 either as this is a completely different situation.
He will have no historical data specific to the yamaha with which to work in 2008, plus he will be the only 'stone shod Yamaha rider thus limiting the amount of development & support available.
I agree that Tom & Frosty are correct when I say that in all actuality I believe this to be a hasty move on Rossi's part as he just might end up going backwards in development & come out more worse for wear than he is now.
Simply put though, there's no guarantee that the Rossi/Yamaha combo will take to the Bridgestones as well as others anyway & even if it does it will take considerable time to get at working at a level to start winning races... not to be compared with jumping ship from Honda in 2004 either as this is a completely different situation.
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