Rossi Rues Set Up issues

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Mar 12 2008, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yes i agree, like you say it could be anything not just the tyre, it could also be the setup, he said the bike was moving alot so it "could" have been rear tyre but also could have been a setup issue, the problem is vermulen has a front tyre issue went into the pitts but no one says crap about that, but for real can you imagine what people would say if it was rossi that done it?? see what im gettin at??
and its only because he moaned alot last season, people here think just cos he using stones that he "should" be fast rite away.
I think you may have answered your own question. That is, Rossi did make an issue about his tires and "requested" a tire change, so of course the spot light is on him. But frankly, he painted himself into that corner. Yes, I did notice Vermi had "front" tire issues. It may have not been related at all; perhaps a poor tire choice, and it could have been related to Rossi's batch of tire. But if you are going to stretch it out that far to relate this somehow to Vermi, then by the same token, you must make that same leap for Stoner, after-all, the trio of Vermi/Rossi/Stoner were all on the same brand. So while sighting Vermi as credence to your argument, then you must come to terms with the fact that Casey won on that same brand of tire.

Ah. So Vermi had a flat. Thanks. I didn't know that.

This picture, I actually think I can see rubber hanging off the tyre.

http://images.motogp.com/multimedia2/1029/1029144_87580.jpg

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sarto @ Mar 12 2008, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What do you think of those photos jumkie.

You don't need to be logged on to the motogp site to see them. When I looked, one of the other bridgestone shod bikes also had that dark ring but it wasn't as bad.
And Vermi wrecked a front in a half dozen laps oo as well. Had to replace it.
I commented on those photos in another thread. They seem to be the same photos. For the sake of purely describing what I detect to the untrained eye, it appears to be a discrepancy of some sort--however, this can NOT be used to conclude anything. It could be the light/shadow, camera angle, the riders wear characteristic of lines taken, riding style imprint, etc. etc. Yes, it could be a problem with the tire, but then again, it could be that he ran over an insect. Really there is no telling of all the possibilities it could be.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sarto @ Mar 13 2008, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ah. So Vermi had a flat. Thanks. I didn't know that.

This picture, I actually think I can see rubber hanging off the tyre.

http://images.motogp.com/multimedia2/1029/1029144_87580.jpg

Yeah ... boy every time you show a picture of how bad the tye choice he made was .....

what is your point?

Why don't you post a picture of Stoners ??


On a side note ..... even though I think its stupid looking at pictures of rotating tyres and pretending one can judge how they are faring ( hence proving the pope wears no underwear ) ..... the edge on ....'s tyre is beginning to look a little ragged there too ....

Let me guess ..... you all interpret from that that you think Pedrosa is going to have a growth spurt ??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sarto @ Mar 12 2008, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ah. So Vermi had a flat. Thanks. I didn't know that.

This picture, I actually think I can see rubber hanging off the tyre.

http://images.motogp.com/multimedia2/1029/1029144_87580.jpg
Do we know when those pictures where taken? Before or after he passed or was passed. And at the point when they were taken, was there a noticeable change in laptimes?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 12 2008, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>On a side note ..... even though I think its stupid looking at pictures of rotating tyres and pretending one can judge how they are faring
Yes, totally agree. Its rather meaningless.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 13 2008, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah ... boy every time you show a picture of how bad the tye choice he made was .....

what is your point?

Why don't you post a picture of Stoners ??


the edge on ....'s tyre is beginning to look a little ragged there too ....

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Sorry old bean. My point is that it looks to me that Rossi going backwards after doing so well at the start of the race looks like a tyre issue. It happens all the time, and probably always will, unless the expertise in tyre choice becomes really good.
It happened last year, to all the top riders. Sometimes they make the wrong choice and can't go as fast as they would like.

I'm not dissing anyone over it. But Rossi is entitled to feel a bit miffed for ending up 5th after such a great start.

I hope he does better next race. I have enjoyed watching him over the years, and I enjoyed watching him even when he was way out in front. But of course, being an Australian, I'd be happy to see Casey win every race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 13 2008, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Do we know when those pictures where taken? Before or after he passed or was passed. And at the point when they were taken, was there a noticeable change in laptimes?


Rossi lap times. You can probably work out roughly when the pix were taken by the positions of the riders, and perhaps the image numbers, but I haven't looked.
Results for all the riders are on motogp.com under race>analysis

Stoner stayed in the 55s until the last 2 laps.

Rossi
1 2'04.059
2 1'56.728
3 1'55.738
4 1'55.693
5 1'56.213
6 1'56.197
7 1'56.251
8 1'56.078
9 1'56.412
10 1'56.303
11 1'56.233
12 1'56.294
13 1'56.553
14 1'56.796
15 1'56.700
16 1'56.588
17 1'56.637
18 1'56.529
19 1'56.611
20 1'57.176
21 1'56.894
22 1'57.209

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sarto @ Mar 13 2008, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry old bean. My point is that it looks to me that Rossi going backwards after doing so well at the start of the race looks like a tyre issue. It happens all the time, and probably always will, unless the expertise in tyre choice becomes really good.
It happened last year, to all the top riders. Sometimes they make the wrong choice and can't go as fast as they would like.

I'm not dissing anyone over it. But Rossi is entitled to feel a bit miffed for ending up 5th after such a great start.

I hope he does better next race. I have enjoyed watching him over the years, and I enjoyed watching him even when he was way out in front. But of course, being an Australian, I'd be happy to see Casey win every race.


Well Rossi himself said ...... he regrets the setup choices he made ....... really all that needed to be said was well "yes you Dubbo you went to soft ....meh ..... never mind there's allways next time "......

But instead we get some crazy crap postings saying god knows what else but what Rossi himself said ...... "its the F@#$#%'n tires" again is the last thing folk want to hear ATM, especially after all the bull that went on to get him on Bridges anyway, and thats all panning out like most "able to think" folk realised it would anyway ...... even if it is from a guy currently running 5th


Its not the tyres !! ..... its the Rossi!! he's going soft .... live with it, it happens.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sarto @ Mar 13 2008, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi lap times. You can probably work out roughly when the pix were taken by the positions of the riders, and perhaps the image numbers, but I haven't looked.
Results for all the riders are on motogp.com under race>analysis

Stoner stayed in the 55s until the last 2 laps.

Rossi
1 2'04.059
2 1'56.728
3 1'55.738
4 1'55.693
5 1'56.213
6 1'56.197
7 1'56.251
8 1'56.078
9 1'56.412
10 1'56.303
11 1'56.233
12 1'56.294
13 1'56.553
14 1'56.796
15 1'56.700
16 1'56.588
17 1'56.637
18 1'56.529
19 1'56.611
20 1'57.176
21 1'56.894
22 1'57.209


Geebers he went soft!! and I mean that in the tire sense!! ..... Crazy choice!! they really do look like just above qualies!! 3 laps and they were done!! Crazy! maybe I also mean him ?? I thought it looked like that in the race but seeing the figures!! .... he must have been desperate!

Explains why he was just holding folk up for a few laps too his tyres went off when everyone elses were just warming!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 13 2008, 12:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I commented on those photos in another thread. They seem to be the same photos. For the sake of purely describing what I detect to the untrained eye, it appears to be a discrepancy of some sort--however, this can NOT be used to conclude anything. It could be the light/shadow, camera angle, the riders wear characteristic of lines taken, riding style imprint, etc. etc. Yes, it could be a problem with the tire, but then again, it could be that he ran over an insect. Really there is no telling of all the possibilities it could be.


Jumkie are you saying that the lighting was what made the tire look like that? There were more pictures that showed Rossi's tire. Did you get to see them or are you just writing without looking at all the pics?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 13 2008, 01:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Geebers he went soft!! and I mean that in the tire sense!! ..... Crazy choice!! they really do look like just above qualies!! 3 laps and they were done!! Crazy! maybe I also mean him ?? I thought it looked like that in the race but seeing the figures!! .... he must have been desperate!

Explains why he was just holding folk up for a few laps too his tyres went off when everyone elses were just warming!


OK Barry show me where did he say he went with soft tires? give me some prove, and stop writing all this crap. Im waiting.

Fast reply, I'm off to the pub.

I think Rossi had the same compounds as Stoner, not sure if he was on the 2008 or the 2007. My guess is that Rossi had the 2008s.


And yes, after all the fuss about tyres, the last thing Rossi would want to do is blame the tyres as he would then look a bit stupid.

And you can say what you like about him, but I don't think he is stupid .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (esco @ Mar 13 2008, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>OK Barry show me where did he say he went with soft tires? give me some prove, and stop writing all this crap. Im waiting.

oh did he actually say that somewhere? all we got was that he "rued his choice" ..... and have been left to look at figures to analyse for ourselves, so we assume he went towards the soft end since he lagged atthe end, would you not agree? ........

However ..the laptimes posted by Sarto show his peak lap at lap three ....... and now I read in another thread that he said he already had grip in the warm up lap ... and he said " he knew he was going to pay for it later!!" ...

so ... what type of tyres do you know that start to grip in one lap and peak at about lap 3?

I don't think rossi himself is complaining about his tyres. What Rossi has said is that he didn't test well at qatar compared to elsewhere, and that conditions didn't suit him; I think this is a fair enough thing to say, and quite possibly true apart from anything else. I think the bridgestones will probably benefit him overall at the majority of tracks.

The ominous thing for the rest of the field is that stoner did so well in what seemed to be michelin conditions.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 13 2008, 01:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>oh did he actually say that somewhere? all we got was that he "rued his choice" ..... and have been left to look at figures to analyse for ourselves, so we assume he went towards the soft end since he lagged atthe end, would you not agree? ........

However ..the laptimes posted by Sarto show his peak lap at lap three ....... and now I read in another thread that he said he already had grip in the warm up lap ... and he said " he knew he was going to pay for it later!!" ...

so ... what type of tyres do you know that start to grip in one lap and peak at about lap 3?

Ok you do know the warm up hes talking about is when they get 25 minutes of practice 4 hours before the race. Did you know about this Barry?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (esco @ Mar 13 2008, 06:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ok you do know the warm up hes talking about is when they get 25 minutes of practice 4 hours before the race. Did you know about this Barry?


Esco ..... you are making him look worse and worse

Are you suggesting now that Rossi knew of this longevity problem well before the race and did nothing about it?

Something just don't gel again does it??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 13 2008, 05:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well I'm not sure where you are going with your question, but I used the word "shredding" because that's how the person submitting this issue is describing the tire, hence the quotes. But to answer your question, no, it doesn't have to be "shredding" to signify that there was a tire problem. But then again, I remember having this debate with Babel mid season, and it turned out that we had very different definition of what "shredding" means. In other words, a person can come on here and say anything, then define their words as they see fit for the purposes of supporting their point.
looking at these pictures of rossi's rear tyre i wouldn't say it "shredded" but there does appear to be abnormal wear on the right hand side. it may interest you to learn that Qatar has 6 left turns and 10 right turns.
do bridgstone do a duel compound tyre (harder on one side than the other ) ?
funny how all the deniers are putting spin on this issue by implying rossi fans are blaming bridgstone when if you read the comments with an open mind you will see most fans are open minded that the problem could be rossi or yamaha being to hard on the tyres and where interested as to why this is !.
if it is rossi and/or yamaha it will take time for all 3 to learn to work in harmony.

deniers = stoner and hayden fans or will try and run down rossi despite over whelming evidence.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 13 2008, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>deniers = stoner and hayden fans or will try and run down rossi despite over whelming evidence.

Um Rog. ...... Rossi himself has said he made the wrong setup decision .....

Why would Stoner fans need to run Rossi down? .... his last ride was to 5th place .... Stoner came 1st ..... Stoner fans are at present a tad more concerned about the Lorenzo's and Pedrosa's of this world

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 13 2008, 05:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I commented on those photos in another thread. They seem to be the same photos. For the sake of purely describing what I detect to the untrained eye, it appears to be a discrepancy of some sort--however, this can NOT be used to conclude anything. It could be the light/shadow, camera angle, the riders wear characteristic of lines taken, riding style imprint, etc. etc. Yes, it could be a problem with the tire, but then again, it could be that he ran over an insect. Really there is no telling of all the possibilities it could be.
come on jumkie next you will be saying rossi fans hacked into motogp.com and photo shopped there photo's trust your own eyes mate. if it were angle or shadow ect then why doesnt asimos tyre look the same ?