Rossi Rues Set Up issues

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 10 2008, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think he would prefer to still ride with that attitude but has had to evolve with the new bikes, hayden proved that it can work especially if you dont get on with you bike. you push to hard these days and dnf that will more than likley cost you the championship, not the case in the 500 and 990 days.
Hahaha, I totally remember this being one of the reasons why you dissed Nicky. Ah, how the tables have turned.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 12 2008, 02:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hahaha, I totally remember this being one of the reasons why you dissed Nicky. Ah, how the tables have turned.
yeah but it just never looked like nicky was trying, thats why i dissed him for it. he had the best team bike and rubber of the time but did nothing but moan about it (clutch) if it were as bad as he claiomed why did he stay ? at least vale puts his money where his mouth is !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 12 2008, 01:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm sure Babel will find a way to take your 'subtle suggestions' and turn them in to an all out "tire issue" for Rossi.


apart from babel i myself will say rossi did have a tyre issue, i know people think rossi makes excuses but if you search the close up shots you will see when rossi was leading then started falling back that his tyres were really worn after a few laps?
what i find very strange it that caseys tyres towards the end of the race where showing hardly any wear??
what else i find strange i read that casey was using last years rubber in that race ?
i dont wanna start the tyre issue again but i believe thats what it was why would he go so quick then decide to slow up?

before you all decide to say im making excuses go look for yourself, i hope he gets this sorted soon cos i really think if he can he will be able to fight for the top spot.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 12 2008, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Interesting. Good point.

And I'll add. Why is it that people are going on about the lacking experience part so much? Its not like the data from a year or two ago means ..... The tires I'm sure are completely and totally different today, not to mention the bike and chassis are different as well. Rossi is fine, and he is doing good enough at the moment. He will figure out the tires. I think however, we will find perhaps, that its not just one thing that needed to be change (silver bullet tires), but rather a whole host of factors, one of which is age. But for his age, I think he still has enough, at the moment. But the new blood has got him pined, at the moment. Jerez will tell us alot.


i fully agree jerez will tell us alot, i dont know how rossi managed to waste a rear tyre in 10 laps
is the yam really that ruff on the tyres? or was it because he was caining them so soon without gettin enough heat in the tyre?
i wont make any judgment on this past race hopefully they get it sorted wether it be rossi or the setup but i think he will win in jerez providing he doesnt get the same problem there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Mar 12 2008, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>apart from babel i myself will say rossi did have a tyre issue, i know people think rossi makes excuses but if you search the close up shots you will see when rossi was leading then started falling back that his tyres were really worn after a few laps?
what i find very strange it that caseys tyres towards the end of the race where showing hardly any wear??
what else i find strange i read that casey was using last years rubber in that race ?
i dont wanna start the tyre issue again but i believe thats what it was why would he go so quick then decide to slow up?

before you all decide to say im making excuses go look for yourself, i hope he gets this sorted soon cos i really think if he can he will be able to fight for the top spot.
vermy had tyre prob's as well. and i believe casey did during quali so opted for last years tyres. always make me laugh when a hayboy fans points the finger at a rider accusing him of making excuses. nicky could right a book with all of his

The rubber bands from the previous year

casey stoner:

Despite the completely different conditions when night running in Qatar to that one at day in the year before it, Casey Stoner was with its victory 2008 with the tires from the previous year on the way. On the idea that the tires would be fast, he already came with the tests one week the running weekend ago. "as soon as we tested, are I immediately a 1:55.3 driven and we knew that it told with the colder conditions on this course functioned", the Australian.

In view of the times of the tests it was likewise clear it that the round record, which he had set up to 2007 in running would not have existence. Which fascinated it however, it was that the tire worked from the previous year really so well. "it believes or not, it is the same running tire, because I used in the previous year when running. I think, it am quite merry that we can drive again a round record, if the distance temperature has a difference of 30 degrees - in the previous year there was 45 degrees, this year 15 degrees. We had also few other tire, which we considered, but we decided to take these ", betrayed he.

And the Poker disbursed itself, was Stoner at the end of running nevertheless five seconds before its next pursuer. But but it did not only want to make the tires responsible. As he explained, also tactics had played an important role. "we worked really hard on the fact that at the end of running still tire was remaining", said it. Although it has three different attitudes for the gasoline use on its machine, used Stoner in addition only two of it. "we used, told today only two gasoline attitudes" it, "first, which I used, the rear tire too much heated. I would have gone at the end of running gladly on the lowest attitude, but I drove still away and had with the Setting a good feeling, therefore I left it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Mar 12 2008, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The rubber bands from the previous year

casey stoner:

Despite the completely different conditions when night running in Qatar to that one at day in the year before it, Casey Stoner was with its victory 2008 with the tires from the previous year on the way. On the idea that the tires would be fast, he already came with the tests one week the running weekend ago. "as soon as we tested, are I immediately a 1:55.3 driven and we knew that it told with the colder conditions on this course functioned", the Australian.

In view of the times of the tests it was likewise clear it that the round record, which he had set up to 2007 in running would not have existence. Which fascinated it however, it was that the tire worked from the previous year really so well. "it believes or not, it is the same running tire, because I used in the previous year when running. I think, it am quite merry that we can drive again a round record, if the distance temperature has a difference of 30 degrees - in the previous year there was 45 degrees, this year 15 degrees. We had also few other tire, which we considered, but we decided to take these ", betrayed he.

And the Poker disbursed itself, was Stoner at the end of running nevertheless five seconds before its next pursuer. But but it did not only want to make the tires responsible. As he explained, also tactics had played an important role. "we worked really hard on the fact that at the end of running still tire was remaining", said it. Although it has three different attitudes for the gasoline use on its machine, used Stoner in addition only two of it. "we used, told today only two gasoline attitudes" it, "first, which I used, the rear tire too much heated. I would have gone at the end of running gladly on the lowest attitude, but I drove still away and had with the Setting a good feeling, therefore I left it.
That's a reasonably horrid double-translation.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 12 2008, 09:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>always make me laugh when a hayboy fans points the finger at a rider accusing him of making excuses. nicky could right a book with all of his
Lets take it outside.





Your gonna end up like...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Mar 12 2008, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The rubber bands from the previous year
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What the hell, is this some new form of Ebonics?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 12 2008, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lets take it outside.





Your gonna end up like...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Mar 11 2008, 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Old men get tired quicker. Heres an analogy. You remember back in the day when you could go for hours sometimes 2-3 times a day everyday of the week, then either one of two or both things happen. 1. You get bored with it. 2. You get older with less stamina and want it done quicker. I think that Rossi may be experiencing a little of both

So the lack of stamina is probably why all the best marathon runners, and just about any other sport where real stamina is required have people in the mid to late 30's on top.
You youngsters (including tom) should really learn a few things about physics and mind before you tell us the "truth". No offence but you really seem to have an attack of overly selfconfidence so common for teenagers. Start talking about reflexes, inspiration and motivation and youre onto something but talking about stamina and slow learners become nothing but amusing
Age take it's toll but in the late twenties little of what you suggest carry any relevance.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 12 2008, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So the lack of stamina is probably why all the best marathon runners, and just about any other sport where real stamina is required have people in the mid to late 30's on top.
You youngsters (including tom) should really learn a few things about physics and mind before you tell us the "truth". No offence but you really seem to have an attack of overly selfconfidence so common for teenagers. Start talking about reflexes, inspiration and motivation and youre onto something but talking about stamina and slow learners become nothing but amusing
Age take it's toll but in the late twenties little of what you suggest carry any relevance.
I agree entirely that he should have no stamina issues at age 29, and lots of the best endurance athletes in many disciplines are at their peak in their 30s or even older in the case of some olympic rowers. It is I guess possible he may not be as motivated after 5 or 7 world titles as someone with 1 or none.

I think this is all moot anyway; I thought he rode pretty well last year and I think he had tyre selection/availability rather than riding issues at qatar; if anything he charged off too hard early in the presence of unaccustomed early grip arguing for impetuosity rather than weariness.

If anyone is a member of MOTOGP just go in the the race pictures. you can easily spot shredding on Rossi's rear wheel. I dont know if i can post pics so i wont do it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Mar 13 2008, 03:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The rubber bands from the previous year

casey stoner:

Despite the completely different conditions when night running in Qatar to that one at day in the year before it, Casey Stoner was with its victory 2008 with the tires from the previous year on the way. On the idea that the tires would be fast, he already came with the tests one week the running weekend ago. "as soon as we tested, are I immediately a 1:55.3 driven and we knew that it told with the colder conditions on this course functioned", the Australian.

In view of the times of the tests it was likewise clear it that the round record, which he had set up to 2007 in running would not have existence. Which fascinated it however, it was that the tire worked from the previous year really so well. "it believes or not, it is the same running tire, because I used in the previous year when running. I think, it am quite merry that we can drive again a round record, if the distance temperature has a difference of 30 degrees - in the previous year there was 45 degrees, this year 15 degrees. We had also few other tire, which we considered, but we decided to take these ", betrayed he.

And the Poker disbursed itself, was Stoner at the end of running nevertheless five seconds before its next pursuer. But but it did not only want to make the tires responsible. As he explained, also tactics had played an important role. "we worked really hard on the fact that at the end of running still tire was remaining", said it. Although it has three different attitudes for the gasoline use on its machine, used Stoner in addition only two of it. "we used, told today only two gasoline attitudes" it, "first, which I used, the rear tire too much heated. I would have gone at the end of running gladly on the lowest attitude, but I drove still away and had with the Setting a good feeling, therefore I left it.


Right I can spot immediately that that is not Casey Stoners words ........ wheres the .."you knows"!

More desperation Tyre Malarky ...... if you took the tyres off Stoners bike and gave them to Rossi at the start of Qatar he would have crashed or gone worse ..... I think the trouble is Rossi let his own PR stunt get to himself last year and now he is on Bridgestone ..... the not so best tyre out there ..... except for one guy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 12 2008, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Right I can spot immediately that that is not Casey Stoners words ........ wheres the .."you knows"!

More desperation Tyre Malarky ...... if you took the tyres off Stoners bike and gave them to Rossi at the start of Qatar he would have crashed or gone worse ..... I think the trouble is Rossi let his own PR stunt get to himself last year and now he is on Bridgestone ..... the not so best tyre out there ..... except for one guy.


To all of you guys saying that Rossi did not have tire issues. I didn't believe it either when Roger posted the pictures. I thought that it was photoshop too. I'm a member of the MOTOGP site..so i looked over the race pics from the site and and its very clear that he's rear tire was having problems. Anyone can go to the site and access the pics...you do not have to be a member.

I found it odd that he's times became so slow so early in the race especially after he was the first one to dip in to the 55's on lap 3.

lap.3 1'55.738
lap.4 1'55.693

Those were the only laps he did in the 55's.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (esco @ Mar 13 2008, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>To all of you guys saying that Rossi did not have tire issues. I didn't believe it either when Roger posted the pictures. I thought that it was photoshop too. I'm a member of the MOTOGP site..so i looked over the race pics from the site and and its very clear that he's rear tire was having problems. Anyone can go to the site and access the pics...you do not have to be a member.

I found it odd that he's times became so slow so early in the race especially after he was the first one to dip in to the 55's on lap 3.

lap.3 1'55.738
lap.4 1'55.693

Those were the only laps he did in the 55's.


It almost sounds to me like you are suggesting he even put qualies on??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 12 2008, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It almost sounds to me like you are suggesting he even put qualies on??

I don't even know how to answer that one Barry..Are you saying that Rossi and Burgess don't know what a race tire is? Of course they used race tires

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (esco @ Mar 13 2008, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't even know how to answer that one Barry..Are you saying that Rossi and Burgess don't know what a race tire is? Of course they used race tires


I'm sure they do ..... but you just indicated that Rossi began to slow after lap 3!!

thats in the realm of a Quali tyre!! .... no race tyre!!


Oh wait I see you are saying the tyres are crap!!

even though Stoner went hmmmm just bearably ok on them? ...

Well I would even take that sort of stuff even further ..... might I even suggest to you that Rossi is being deliberately given Stoner cast offs .... Mayeb Vale said to the Bridgestone guy .... "give me a tyre like Stoner won on here last year!!" ... so the bridgestone guy thought .... "oh .... ok" and went and got Rossi the very tyre Stoner used last year

Its allways something thats not Rossi's fault isn't it

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 12 2008, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm sure they do ..... but you just indicated that Rossi began to slow after lap 3!!

thats in the realm of a Quali tyre!! .... no race tyre!!


Oh wait I see you are saying the tyres are crap!!

even though Stoner went hmmmm just bearably ok on them? ...

Well I would even take that sort of stuff even further ..... might I even suggest to you that Rossi is being deliberately given Stoner cast offs .... Mayeb Vale said to the Bridgestone guy .... "give me a tyre like Stoner won on here last year!!" ... so the bridgestone guy thought .... "oh .... ok" and went and got Rossi the very tyre Stoner used last year

Its allways something thats not Rossi's fault isn't it

I know you take everything about Rossi and turn it around Barry. Why don't you check the pictures out for yourself and then come back in here and tell me what you think.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (esco @ Mar 13 2008, 04:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I know you take everything about Rossi and turn it around Barry. Why don't you check the pictures out for yourself and then come back in here and tell me what you think.
i think most of stoner's success last year was on hard bridgestones. He was on mediums at qatar probably because that what was needed in the cool conditions to compete with michelin shod bikes for grip. He has had experience regarding the durability of the brigestone mediums and hence didn't go as hard early, and I think the ducati is easier on tyres than the yamaha anyway. I suspect stoner and rossi will both mainly use hard tyres in the day races, and that the tyres will go the distance for both of them.