Rossi Rues Set Up issues

I'll just put links up for these shots that show the rear tyre of Rossi from Losail



http://images.motogp.com/multimedia2/1029/1029125_99678.jpg

http://images.motogp.com/multimedia2/1029/1029120_84583.jpg

and most tellingly. I know that Pedrosa is just behind him, but this looks woeful.

http://images.motogp.com/multimedia2/1029/1029124_61864.jpg

in the last pic, the rear tyre looked like it's made from a very very flexible material....a rubber dough perhaps?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 13 2008, 03:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm sure they do ..... but you just indicated that Rossi began to slow after lap 3!!

thats in the realm of a Quali tyre!! .... no race tyre!!


Oh wait I see you are saying the tyres are crap!!

even though Stoner went hmmmm just bearably ok on them? ...

Well I would even take that sort of stuff even further ..... might I even suggest to you that Rossi is being deliberately given Stoner cast offs .... Mayeb Vale said to the Bridgestone guy .... "give me a tyre like Stoner won on here last year!!" ... so the bridgestone guy thought .... "oh .... ok" and went and got Rossi the very tyre Stoner used last year

Its allways something thats not Rossi's fault isn't it

piss off barry stoner used last years rubber so they were clearly different, even stoner couldnt set a good race pace on the new ones thats why he didnt use them, your just gettin annoying , what if it was the tyres going that made rossi slowup?

you dont know .... and your gettin on my nerves.

you always got a clever answer

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (esco @ Mar 12 2008, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I know you take everything about Rossi and turn it around Barry. Why don't you check the pictures out for yourself and then come back in here and tell me what you think.


Esco, you seem fairly composed despite the opposition your getting, as you submit the argument there was a "tire issue" with Rossi. So I'm willing to play along for the moment. Can you please post a link. I'd like to see this tire "shredding".

Keep in mind, that this topic has been debated to the hilt on this forum. It has been debated whether there was credence to the tires being the issue that made the difference in last year's championship, whether Stoner won because of them, or Rossi lost because of them, whether one tire is actually better, etc. etc. The entire season and off-season this topic has dominated the boards. Rossi getting the Bridgestones was also debated to the Nth degree.

But there is one unmistakable fact, Rossi now runs the Bridgestones. It seems rather unseemly of people again, as if nothing has happened, diving straight into this idea that Rossi did not perform well because of his tires. I thought for sure, this factor would have been eliminated once he was on the same brand as Stoner. I thought for sure his fans wouldn’t dare bring it up. I thought surely, even if it had been an unequivocal tire failure, even then the Rossi camp would be gun-shy to bring it up since he got what he wanted. Yet, here again, just a few days after the season opener, the tire debate is in full swing. Is there no end?

I don’t know how old you are, but there is a great historical line in the political rhetoric that goes like this: “Do you have no decency sir?”

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 13 2008, 02:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Right I can spot immediately that that is not Casey Stoners words ........ wheres the .."you knows"!

More desperation Tyre Malarky ...... if you took the tyres off Stoners bike and gave them to Rossi at the start of Qatar he would have crashed or gone worse ..... I think the trouble is Rossi let his own PR stunt get to himself last year and now he is on Bridgestone ..... the not so best tyre out there ..... except for one guy.

just cos the tyres work on the dukes setup doesnt mean they are gonna work on the yamaha does it straight away does it, why cant u atleast give the guy a few races before you start saying stuff he?
lorenzo had a perfect setup his bike was ok till the end, something was up with rossi when he slowed but dont tell me its his age again or hes lost it, you ... stoner has the perfect setup everytime he races and that makes a big big difference..............

Rossi picked the tyre!
Rossi set the bike up!
If it didn't work then it is Rossi's fault. End of story.

Go back to first race 2007.

Stoners first race on new bike in new team as the number 2 rider.
Stoners first race on Bridgestone.
Stoner victory!

Don't give a BS story about not used to the tryes blah blah blah. At least he is used to the bike so there is only one variable. Is everyone saying that the great Rossi can't adapt to one change in the package?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Mar 12 2008, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>stoner used last years rubber so they were clearly different, even stoner couldnt set a good race pace on the new ones thats why he didnt use them, your just gettin annoying , what if it was the tyres going that made rossi slowup?
And so the debate now emerges with a slightly (but not so subtle to the discerning reader) different angle. It is now not enough that they are on the same brand, but now they must be on the same spec tire. Must Stoner email Rossi his tire choice before we can call it an even playing field? Ah, is there no end?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 13 2008, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd like to see this tire "shredding".

apologies for the ignorance jumkie, but i'd like to raise the question re: tyre problems. does it always have to be shredding? or would there be other evidence(s) of a tyre problem?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Mar 13 2008, 05:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi picked the tyre!
Rossi set the bike up!
If it didn't work then it is Rossi's fault. End of story.

Go back to first race 2007.

Stoners first race on new bike in new team as the number 2 rider.
Stoners first race on Bridgestone.
Stoner victory!

Don't give a BS story about not used to the tryes blah blah blah. At least he is used to the bike so there is only one variable. Is everyone saying that the great Rossi can't adapt to one change in the package?

oh look out here come the stoner army.........

maybe rossi hasnt set the bike up for optimum performance with the stones.
stoner first race was on a pakage perfect for him rite from go
stoner first race on ducati has 8 years worth of data for bridgstone
yes stoner won

why dont you .... whips give rossi a chance make your dessision half way throuh the season that will tell how its going.......
you could be the worlds best but without a good setup your no body, how did stoner do in 06 with a pakage that didnt suit him?
and that one tyre change is like changing bike it has to be setup and rode differently, they clearly havent got it rite yet give it time give it time....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Mar 12 2008, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>apologies for the ignorance jumkie, but i'd like to raise the question re: tyre problems. does it always have to be shredding? or would there be other evidence(s) of a tyre problem?
Well I'm not sure where you are going with your question, but I used the word "shredding" because that's how the person submitting this issue is describing the tire, hence the quotes. But to answer your question, no, it doesn't have to be "shredding" to signify that there was a tire problem. But then again, I remember having this debate with Babel mid season, and it turned out that we had very different definition of what "shredding" means. In other words, a person can come on here and say anything, then define their words as they see fit for the purposes of supporting their point.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sarto @ Mar 12 2008, 11:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'll just put links up for these shots that show the rear tyre of Rossi from Losail



http://images.motogp.com/multimedia2/1029/1029125_99678.jpg

http://images.motogp.com/multimedia2/1029/1029120_84583.jpg

and most tellingly. I know that Pedrosa is just behind him, but this looks woeful.

http://images.motogp.com/multimedia2/1029/1029124_61864.jpg


Thanks for posting these Sorto. Its kinda stupid for people to think that Rossi can't have tire issues just cause hes on the stones. Ducati has been with the stones for a while now.. Its only logical that they now more about what tire should work best..hell they even used last years tires.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 13 2008, 05:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And so the debate now emerges with a slightly (but not so subtle to the discerning reader) different angle. It is now not enough that they are on the same brand, but now they must be on the same spec tire. Must Stoner email Rossi his tire choice before we can call it an even playing field? Ah, is there no end?

no this is totally different its fine for stoner to use what ever spec he wants, im just saying why is everyone so quick to knock rossi down? he's had one race for god sake and there was clearly something wrong and i know its not the rider but half of this forum is saying it is, he may not even beat stoner when hes setup good i know that, im just saying why cant these arsecrabs give it more time?

at the end of the day im just saying if stoner used last years tyre cos they already had data to compare then good for him, just this knocking rossi is gettin annoyingespecially when he been using tyres for like 5 minutes........

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 13 2008, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well I'm not sure where you are going with your question,


haha, don't worry, i'm really just asking the question. As i've said, excuse my ignorance

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Mar 12 2008, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>oh look out here come the stoner army.........

maybe rossi hasnt set the bike up for optimum performance with the stones.
stoner first race was on a pakage perfect for him rite from go
stoner first race on bridgestone that has 8 years worth of data for bridgstone
yes stoner won

why dont you .... whips give rossi a chance make your dessision half way throuh the season that will tell how its going.......
you could be the worlds best but without a good setup your no body, how did stoner do in 06 with a pakage that didnt suit him?
and that one tyre change is like changing bike it has to be setup and rode differently, they clearly havent got it rite yet give it time give it time....
I'm not part of the Stoner army, but I do smell ........ when it’s around. Jaz, really, I don't want to have an argument and make more enemies (and I have plenty on this forum). But here is what I think about what you guys are bringing up. Its really too soon to say it was a "tire problem" in light of the events of the off season. If I were going to debate this issue, I would be patient and wait until there is real definitive information to support your argument. As a thinking person, yes, it is possible that Rossi got a "bad" batch of tires. (For the sake of argument lets ignore other possibilities that perhaps he mismanagement the tire or lacked an optimum set-up). But it’s much too early and rather dastardly to be bringing this up so soon. I actually think it will be a totally different result in Jerez. If you see my post-race comments, I’m actually predicting a Rossi win (assuming Hayden doesn't--disclaimer: I'm a mindless Hayden fan). So why don't we drop this premature debate until we actually have some hard evidence, rather than try to analyze some pictures and come up with layman’s conclusion. (I have a bit of experience with this because it was not too long ago, mid season last year, that a few came on and announced to the world that they definitely say Rossi's tire "shredding, chunking" and at the end of the race, it had turned out that the tire looked new, it turned out Rossi had chosen too hard of a tire). Even though those clowns never admitted it, I would have been rather embarrassed, wouldn’t have you?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Mar 12 2008, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no this is totally different its fine for stoner to use what ever spec he wants, im just saying why is everyone so quick to knock rossi down? he's had one race for god sake and there was clearly something wrong and i know its not the rider but half of this forum is saying it is, he may not even beat stoner when hes setup good i know that, im just saying why cant these arsecrabs give it more time?

at the end of the day im just saying if stoner used last years tyre cos they already had data to compare then good for him, just this knocking rossi is gettin annoyingespecially when he been using tyres for like 5 minutes........
I’m not sure people were “knocking” Rossi down until some of his fans started to claim he didn’t get it done because of the “tires”. Please. Put this in context, you are saying this after the guy gets the Bridgestones on the coat tails of a great controversy, it’s the first race, and out come the tires-blame-game.

I think most people felt Rossi had a respectable finish (he would have been fourth had Dovi not stuffed him). So what’s the problem?

Of course people are going to challenge you and others for coming out and insisting it was the tires, based on a photo, with zero evidence from the media or the team. Come on man, its not a Rossi-knockdown conspiracy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 13 2008, 05:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not part of the Stoner army, but I do smell ........ when it’s around. Jaz, really, I don't want to have an argument and make more enemies (and I have plenty on this forum). But here is what I think about what you guys are bringing up. Its really too soon to say it was a "tire problem" in light of the events of the off season. If I were going to debate this issue, I would be patient and wait until there is real definitive information to support your argument. As a thinking person, yes, it is possible that Rossi got a "bad" batch of tires. (For the sake of argument lets ignore other possibilities that perhaps he mismanagement the tire or lacked an optimum set-up). But it’s much too early and rather dastardly to be bringing this up so soon. I actually think it will be a totally different result in Jerez. If you see my post-race comments, I’m actually predicting a Rossi win (assuming Hayden doesn't--disclaimer: I'm a mindless Hayden fan). So why don't we drop this premature debate until we actually have some hard evidence, rather than try to analyze some pictures and come up with layman’s conclusion. (I have a bit of experience with this because it was not too long ago, mid season last year, that a few came on and announced to the world that they definitely say Rossi's tire "shredding, chunking" and at the end of the race, it had turned out that the tire looked new, it turned out Rossi had chosen too hard of a tire). Even though those clowns never admitted it, I would have been rather embarrassed, wouldn’t have you?

yes i agree, like you say it could be anything not just the tyre, it could also be the setup, he said the bike was moving alot so it "could" have been rear tyre but also could have been a setup issue, the problem is vermulen has a front tyre issue went into the pitts but no one says crap about that, but for real can you imagine what people would say if it was rossi that done it?? see what im gettin at??
and its only because he moaned alot last season, people here think just cos he using stones that he "should" be fast rite away.

i dont want to argue either and make enemies i just want to put my point across that it may have been tyres, its ok for one rider to have problems but not rossi oh no hes lying lololol

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Mar 13 2008, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>............... every piece of neverending crap that Jazkat posts .........


Your Sir are a Fruitcake!! ..... of the highest order!!


Have you no decency!!?





Rossi just plain picked way to soft a tyre .... theres no other story ..... his times were bad so he made a rash decision to try and alleviate that ....... expect more of the same in the future too because he ain't getting any better

What do you think of those photos jumkie.

You don't need to be logged on to the motogp site to see them. When I looked, one of the other bridgestone shod bikes also had that dark ring but it wasn't as bad.
And Vermi wrecked a front in a half dozen laps oo as well. Had to replace it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sarto @ Mar 13 2008, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Vermi wrecked a front in a half dozen laps oo as well. Had to replace it.

Vermi had a flat ...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 13 2008, 05:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your Sir are a Fruitcake!! ..... of the highest order!!


Have you no decency!!?





Rossi just plain picked way to soft a tyre .... theres no other story ..... his times were bad so he made a rash decision to try and alleviate that ....... expect more of the same in the future too because he ain't getting any better


ahahahahah lol

what ever i like being fruitcake im very tasty the ladies love me....

anyway what ever barry im putting you on ignore your the biggest part of the problem here on forum
you and that other noob pinky, you should get married

not gettin better, lol rossi will come good you will see and if he doesnt well thats just life but give the guy a chance before you start knocking his abilities.