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I have no hate for spies, im just not sucking his .... like some of you. Hew was good in AMA but he is a rookie in motogp and has yet to prove himself. For him to be given the factory ride in his rookie season is unfair on the other rookies. Domt mistake facts for hate ........
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Please quote me where i have talked .... about spies. I've stated so far he has not impressed as much as the hype suggested (not his fault but his fans and the media). Ive also stated i don't think so far he is ready or deserves a factory ride. This is not hatred or talking .... as you have accused. So please state your case with proof and i will debate you.
As for him replacing rossi, well that maybe the case when rossi retires so why would that bother me ? If you're talking about now while rossi recovers my only issue is how fair this would be in the rookie of the year award and whether that would be against the Dorna rookie rule.
By the way, im not a Tosland fan and thing Spies was the right direction for Tech3 to go, not sure wtf your talking about here.
So Mastodon, put up or shut up !
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So you dont want to debate with me about the points i have made above then, you prefer to throw .... but not back it up.
i knew that was coming. whether or not you like Toseland or not or if thats the reason you are hard on Spies or not is entirely besides the point. my point is you are always negative when it comes to Spies. i never said you hate him but that you HATE ON him. there is a difference. and why should i go through your old posts? YOU HAVE OVER 16,000 POSTS! do you expect me to go through all those trying to find the ones i need? sorry bro, but i don't care that much about it. but if you are gonna use that to try to win the argument (along with insults) then so be it.
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Hate him, hate on him ? wtf is the difference ?
You don't have to dig through my posts. If you read my above posts in this thread in response to your comments i have made my only point's about spies. Are you going to debate these or not ? I like spies but look at the results against the hype and expectation's in a realistic way. If you think that's hating him /hating on him then lets debate it !
You called me out sunshine, lets get it on !
hating on someone is just saying negative things about them. criticizing them. not actually hating them. i criticize Stoner but i don't hate the guy. and what are you talking about "get it on"? my point is you criticize Spies all the time and you agree with me! thats all i was saying when i said "like clockwork" because you criticize him after each race. it was just a comment. but if you want to argue about why you shouldn't criticize him, fine.
he has only been to one course so far that he has already been to and that was Qatar where he finished 5th and was as fast as Rossi, the race winner. and that 5th was better than Toselands best ever result (6th a few times), the guy he replaced. so already he had outperformed a man who had two seasons on the bike in one race. Result: 5th place
now he goes to three tracks that he has never been to before. in Spain he has a tire issue which he thought was down to a shoddy tire. Bridgestone says no, the tire is fine and it was probably inexperience on Spies part because Jerez is notorious for changing track conditions which can cause the bike to react as if there is a tire problem. seeing as how Spies has raced at Jerez an amazing, mind boggling, record breaking ZERO times i think we can cut him some slack for this. inexperience is not a dirty word, something to be ashamed of. happens to everyone. Result: DNF
now we go to Le Mans, another track Spies has never seen before. he crashes and hurts his ankle, hampering his performance. then the race comes around and he crashes again because of the injury. now some people (including you) would probably call this a rookie mistake but why should it be? did Rossi crash because of a rookie mistake? crashing happens to everyone. Rossi is out because of a crash, Stoner has two DNFs because of crashes and Hayden crashed and DNF'd today. each one of those men are world champions and have 8 championships in the premier class between them. so Spies gets his first crash out of the way in his third race. atleast he didn't break his leg. Result: DNF
now we move on to Mugello, another track that (surprise, surprise) Spies has never, ever seen. by now his ankle has healed, or at least i believe it has because i haven't heard anything about it. he qualifies in 7th place, ahead of Dovi, and one of only 7 riders to get under the 1:50 mark in qualy. and even that was after making a few mistakes in qualy. pretty good for only his 3rd hour on the track. he gets a great start up to 4th but eventually slides back into 7th over the course of the race after running wide in a few places but manages to run the same pace as Melandri and Stoner for most of the race and finishes best of the rookies once again. Result: 7th place, once again the best of the rookies.
but of course, all this is besides the point because my point was you always criticize Spies which you have proved by asking me to make this post defending him FROM YOUR CRITICISM!
he has only been to one course so far that he has already been to and that was Qatar where he finished 5th and was as fast as Rossi, the race winner. and that 5th was better than Toselands best ever result (6th a few times), the guy he replaced. so already he had outperformed a man who had two seasons on the bike in one race. Result: 5th place
now he goes to three tracks that he has never been to before. in Spain he has a tire issue which he thought was down to a shoddy tire. Bridgestone says no, the tire is fine and it was probably inexperience on Spies part because Jerez is notorious for changing track conditions which can cause the bike to react as if there is a tire problem. seeing as how Spies has raced at Jerez an amazing, mind boggling, record breaking ZERO times i think we can cut him some slack for this. inexperience is not a dirty word, something to be ashamed of. happens to everyone. Result: DNF
now we go to Le Mans, another track Spies has never seen before. he crashes and hurts his ankle, hampering his performance. then the race comes around and he crashes again because of the injury. now some people (including you) would probably call this a rookie mistake but why should it be? did Rossi crash because of a rookie mistake? crashing happens to everyone. Rossi is out because of a crash, Stoner has two DNFs because of crashes and Hayden crashed and DNF'd today. each one of those men are world champions and have 8 championships in the premier class between them. so Spies gets his first crash out of the way in his third race. atleast he didn't break his leg. Result: DNF
now we move on to Mugello, another track that (surprise, surprise) Spies has never, ever seen. by now his ankle has healed, or at least i believe it has because i haven't heard anything about it. he qualifies in 7th place, ahead of Dovi, and one of only 7 riders to get under the 1:50 mark in qualy. and even that was after making a few mistakes in qualy. pretty good for only his 3rd hour on the track. he gets a great start up to 4th but eventually slides back into 7th over the course of the race after running wide in a few places but manages to run the same pace as Melandri and Stoner for most of the race and finishes best of the rookies once again. Result: 7th place, once again the best of the rookies.
but of course, all this is besides the point because my point was you always criticize Spies which you have proved by asking me to make this post defending him FROM YOUR CRITICISM!
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Very nice Interview by JB. Cool as always.
He was looking like he wanted to cry, when the Camera showed Rossi's team in his garage.
The engine rules make it even more difficult for replacing Rossi.
I think whoever they choose, they will hear Rossi's idea about it first. That's why i said (in the other thread) that even if they could choose for Spies (Rookies rules), they wouldn't dare to do that without asking Rossi and i dont think Vale would like to see his bike being riden by Spies.
He was looking like he wanted to cry, when the Camera showed Rossi's team in his garage.
The engine rules make it even more difficult for replacing Rossi.
I think whoever they choose, they will hear Rossi's idea about it first. That's why i said (in the other thread) that even if they could choose for Spies (Rookies rules), they wouldn't dare to do that without asking Rossi and i dont think Vale would like to see his bike being riden by Spies.
What's all this talk about spies. He cant take rossi's seat. ROOKIE RULE you moronswhy cant some of you get your heads arouind this. I would not be surprised if they dont replace rossi and instead focus purley on Lorenzo's championship run.
As for someone else riding rossi's bike and rossi getting the pointAre you ....... serious R ? jeez,you have followed the sport long enough to know the answer to this stupid question. If anyone will ride the Fiat yam i think it will have to be CE2 as he is not a rookie and already a yam employee.
Before all the pie lovers get all hot under the collar saying ce2 does not deserve it cos he has been slow, well spies aint been a lot faster .
Yes good idea lets waste the best seat in motogp on "Colin Edwards the 12th Place" ffs!
Compared to the rookie (who thanks to dorna's foresight cant ride the bike) how long has Edwards been in motogp now - oh thats right he joined the circus in 2003!
What a joke this series is now...
What the fark, why not fan a few flames or light my own.
JB has basically said it - that nobody can replace Rossi, so why even try?
Why put Spies onto VR's bike with all the attendant pressures and expectations that would come with being a talented rookie, existing WSBK champion and placing him into probably the best (in terms of experience/results) team in the paddock. One would expect that all resultant pressures would be mammoth at a time when the rider should be acclimatising himself to the requirements of MGP and the associated learning processes. Besides which, the rules do not really allow it so why should Spies get the opportunity?
For me, nor should CEII (although he is the obvious likely rider) as it would (IMO) be a backward step and may well influence the outcome come contract time for Spies (who may well feel slighted in some way).
Besides which, who says that the bike needs to be a front runner?
For mine, I have no issues with the test rider scenario although I wonder how that is impacted by the rookie rule, but moreso I feel that it would be a retrograde step to give a test rider a spot with the best team.
For mine, I reckon that the opportunity to bloody new comers is to large an opportunity to pass up. For that, I reckon give 'guest rides' to those riders whom Yamaha are trying to impress or influence in terms of staying loyal and whom they may feel are genuine contenders for the future. Allow this rider one or two rides with the best team as it will definitely assist the rider, build loyalty and will no doubt if done properly increase the marketability of that guest stint (ie. a Brit, maybe Smith at the UK races etc).
That said, I still want McCoy back
Gaz
JB has basically said it - that nobody can replace Rossi, so why even try?
Why put Spies onto VR's bike with all the attendant pressures and expectations that would come with being a talented rookie, existing WSBK champion and placing him into probably the best (in terms of experience/results) team in the paddock. One would expect that all resultant pressures would be mammoth at a time when the rider should be acclimatising himself to the requirements of MGP and the associated learning processes. Besides which, the rules do not really allow it so why should Spies get the opportunity?
For me, nor should CEII (although he is the obvious likely rider) as it would (IMO) be a backward step and may well influence the outcome come contract time for Spies (who may well feel slighted in some way).
Besides which, who says that the bike needs to be a front runner?
For mine, I have no issues with the test rider scenario although I wonder how that is impacted by the rookie rule, but moreso I feel that it would be a retrograde step to give a test rider a spot with the best team.
For mine, I reckon that the opportunity to bloody new comers is to large an opportunity to pass up. For that, I reckon give 'guest rides' to those riders whom Yamaha are trying to impress or influence in terms of staying loyal and whom they may feel are genuine contenders for the future. Allow this rider one or two rides with the best team as it will definitely assist the rider, build loyalty and will no doubt if done properly increase the marketability of that guest stint (ie. a Brit, maybe Smith at the UK races etc).
That said, I still want McCoy back
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Its not like Rog needs help in defending his position but... Me thinks you're confusing presenting an opinion dissenting to the common hype of Benny-boppers to negativity or criticism. Rog has, from the beginning taken a more wait-and-see attitude to Spies than most of the rest of us...
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hating on someone is just saying negative things about them. criticizing them. not actually hating them. i criticize Stoner but i don't hate the guy. and what are you talking about "get it on"? my point is you criticize Spies all the time and you agree with me! thats all i was saying when i said "like clockwork" because you criticize him after each race. it was just a comment. but if you want to argue about why you shouldn't criticize him, fine.
he has only been to one course so far that he has already been to and that was Qatar where he finished 5th and was as fast as Rossi, the race winner. and that 5th was better than Toselands best ever result (6th a few times), the guy he replaced. so already he had outperformed a man who had two seasons on the bike in one race. Result: 5th place
now he goes to three tracks that he has never been to before. in Spain he has a tire issue which he thought was down to a shoddy tire. Bridgestone says no, the tire is fine and it was probably inexperience on Spies part because Jerez is notorious for changing track conditions which can cause the bike to react as if there is a tire problem. seeing as how Spies has raced at Jerez an amazing, mind boggling, record breaking ZERO times i think we can cut him some slack for this. inexperience is not a dirty word, something to be ashamed of. happens to everyone. Result: DNF
now we go to Le Mans, another track Spies has never seen before. he crashes and hurts his ankle, hampering his performance. then the race comes around and he crashes again because of the injury. now some people (including you) would probably call this a rookie mistake but why should it be? did Rossi crash because of a rookie mistake? crashing happens to everyone. Rossi is out because of a crash, Stoner has two DNFs because of crashes and Hayden crashed and DNF'd today. each one of those men are world champions and have 8 championships in the premier class between them. so Spies gets his first crash out of the way in his third race. atleast he didn't break his leg. Result: DNF
now we move on to Mugello, another track that (surprise, surprise) Spies has never, ever seen. by now his ankle has healed, or at least i believe it has because i haven't heard anything about it. he qualifies in 7th place, ahead of Dovi, and one of only 7 riders to get under the 1:50 mark in qualy. and even that was after making a few mistakes in qualy. pretty good for only his 3rd hour on the track. he gets a great start up to 4th but eventually slides back into 7th over the course of the race after running wide in a few places but manages to run the same pace as Melandri and Stoner for most of the race and finishes best of the rookies once again. Result: 7th place, once again the best of the rookies.
but of course, all this is besides the point because my point was you always criticize Spies which you have proved by asking me to make this post defending him FROM YOUR CRITICISM!
I do watch the races you know !
nobody is saying he is not talented, but do his results justify dorna bending their rookie rules for spies just to appease a few fanboy yanks with stars in their eyes ? No it's unfair on the other rookies.
Again you accuse me of "always criticizing spies", but will not say how or when. I say im only stating the facts and that is not criticizing. Again you bring up Tozeland, Why ? Ok spies has finished 1 place higher already but know one was linking Toz to a factory ride this early in his motogp career and bending the rules to make that possible were they ? Spies has raced 4 motogp races, he has finished twice. He has several tracks to race this season where he has never raced before. So is putting spies on the factory bike a good idea ? I think not.
And just because you keep comparing to Tozeland.
Toz finished 6th place 6 times in his rookie season including qatar which i think was a track he did not know. Not bad on the Teck3 bike with the old spring valve head
.... yeah colin for the win!!!
.... yeah colin for the win!!!i totaly agree with the burgess part , one last shot at the factory team before he retires
I strongly doubt that any FIAT Yamaha will beat Lorenzo this year unless a certain VR is riding it.
Right now Yamaha absolutely must throw all of the eggs into the Lorenzo camp and that means ensuring that he gains the maximum points available to him until such time as VR is fit, and even then I suspect that the FIAT Yamaha team will come first.
And before anyone asks, yes I mean that I strongly suspect that when VR returns and if his season is over (in terms of championship) he will ride to support Lorenzo if he has to in order to ensure that the #1 plate remains at Yamaha(even though that will probably hurt more than the leg itself)
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