Rossi on a Ducati, WHne will they win?

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Will Rossi win in 2011

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BarryMachine

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Ok I see Woody has proposed a bet on how he expects Rossi to go in 2011, but I think one of these polls is called for. Same reason as the Casey Poll, ie. it will be nice to see how it actually pans out.
 
BarryMachine said:
Ok I see Woody has proposed a bet on how he expeces Rossi to go in 2011, but I think one of these polls is called for. Same reason as the Casey Poll, ie. it will be nice to see how it actually pans out.
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I didnt say round 1 because I am the ultimate bopper. I chose it because the duc is unbeatable around Qatar. As long as he can keep it up.
 
I've given him the first 5 rounds. It will be interesting to see whether the Duc owns Qatar or Stoner owns Qatar.
 
I think Casey will be faster on the Honda out of the box than Rossi will be on the Ducati. Casey wins first, Rossi wins by round 7......Casey finishes higher in the 2011 Championship than Rossi.



You heard it here first! Ducati have problems with consistent set-ups. I've also read some inferring that the Ducati has geometry issues. Rossi will need time to sort that out for himself.
 
woody996 said:
I've given him the first 5 rounds. It will be interesting to see whether the Duc owns Qatar or Stoner owns Qatar.
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Stoner owns the place. Stoner takes home the brass next year with JL a close second, Rossi....then Ben's Pies. Hayden, Dovi, Pedro fight it out for 4th.
 
levigarrett said:
I think Casey will be faster on the Honda out of the box than Rossi will be on the Ducati. Casey wins first, Rossi wins by round 7......Casey finishes higher in the 2011 Championship than Rossi.



You heard it here first! Ducati have problems with consistent set-ups. I've also read some inferring that the Ducati has geometry issues. Rossi will need time to sort that out for himself.
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If Ducati ran their same level of support as they did with Casey, u would b right. Ducati now will stop at nothing, just check out how theyve called all their world wide efforts home. Make no mistake, Ducati is treating their recent signing as a lunar mission. Nothing, and i mean nothing will be spared. I predict Rossi will win soon on the Duc becuz it wont b the kinda Duc theyv run. They started Yamahanizing it a year now. All they need is for Burgess to giv them the last bits of info from Yam to complete the project.
 
Jumkie said:
If Ducati ran their same level of support as they did with Casey, u would b right. Ducati now will stop at nothing, just check out how theyve called all their world wide efforts home. Make no mistake, Ducati is treating their recent signing as a lunar mission. Nothing, and i mean nothing will be spared. I predict Rossi will win soon on the Duc becuz it wont b the kinda Duc theyv run. They started Yamahanizing it a year now. All they need is for Burgess to giv them the last bits of info from Yam to complete the project.
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Ok, well, as you know, that's fine with me!
 
levigarrett said:
Stoner owns the place. Stoner takes home the brass next year with JL a close second, Rossi....then Ben's Pies. Hayden, Dovi, Pedro fight it out for 4th.
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I tend to agree, or why aren't all the other Duc's up there at Qatar. Stoner ( The Sheik of SHLIDE ) owns it to me. But then again the mere fact Rossi has gone Duc. has thankfully allowed us to get the "is it Stoner or the Duc?". question answered. I hope
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I'm really up in the air about Rossi on the Duc. to me he is a simillar styled Rider to what Melandri was though, so it kinda tempers my feeling that "he should be right and even if not, JB will fix it".
 
MdubSTYLIE said:
I didnt say round 1 because I am the ultimate bopper. I chose it because the duc is unbeatable around Qatar. As long as he can keep it up.
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Get real! you are not "the ultimate Bopper", sure you are pretty "up there" ( or is it down there?) but I think if you consult that mirror on the wall, that you use for your research, there is another who is the "far-est out of them all"
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BarryMachine said:
I tend to agree, or why aren't all the other Duc's up there at Qatar. Stoner ( The Sheik of SHLIDE ) owns it to me. But then again the mere fact Rossi has gone Duc. has thankfully allowed us to get the "is it Stoner or the Duc?". question answered. I hope
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I'm really up in the air about Rossi on the Duc. to me he is a simillar styled Rider to what Melandri was though, so it kinda tempers my feeling that "he should be right and even if not, JB will fix it".
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Well this is really going to bet me in big trouble around here but here goes.......





STONER IS MORE TALENTED THAN ROSSI!............yeah, that's right! Let it sink in
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Rossi is the GOAT not because he's the most talented rider in the field. He is the most mature and the most calculating. He's see's things better than the others and makes the adjustments that are needed to win. His racecraft is second to none, but I don't these he's the rawest talent on the grid.



That honor in my opinion belongs to Stoner. When CS and his bike agree with one another he has the capacity to race completely alone gapping the field by remarkable margins, especially when you consider the crowd he's leaving behind....Rossi, Lorenzo, Hayden, Pedorsa. Three world champs in that crowd and none of them can compete with Casey when he's on his game.



Unfortunately for Casey, he's just not demonstrated the consistency required to take regular advantage of his talents. Talent and consistency are needed to win and so far he's only got one of those attributes.



As for Rossi on the Ducati?? The Duc is ......! Stoner makes it work because he's just that talented. Rossi will need to make it his own, make it more predictable, more trackable. When he does he'll be successful on it but I don't think that will come right away. Rossi is however the kind of professional rider who can make that bike into something that can run up front every weekend. He's got the right temperament and the experience. Stoner is the guy that wins every time on the right machine, I don't think he's the guy that creates something from nothing.....Rossi may prove to be that guy.
 
Test day 1 at Valencia they will give him Stoner's bike with black fairing. Rossi will be 2+ seconds off the pace and will comment on how was Stoner able to ride that thing.



Then they will give him the 2011 bike and he will get to work. That work will take some time. He will be fast but the talent on the grid who will all be on bikes that are of a standard style i.e. not carbon fibre chassis, will need no time to get up to speed. I predict it could take all of the first 10 rounds for Rossi to win. Not because he will be slow but because the others will be too fast and his Ducati will not handle sublimely like his Yamaha so he won't be able to do 'controlled' block passes like he does now.



Stoner will be fastest on the Honda from his second lap because that is just what Stoner does.
 
Just to test a conspiracy theory for no other reason than I like conspiracy theories:



Now that it has been released that Rossi is to be given the option of having the screamer engine for 2011. Who thinks that perhaps the screamer was taken away from Stoner so he couldn't win the 2010 championship and therefore Rossi can be seen more as the great Italian savour for the great Italian brand after another defeated season by their current riders. After all there was no doubt in their minds that Stoner was leaving and Rossi was coming and that all of Ducati's efforts were to be thrown at Rossi. Some of the gloss would certainly have been removed if Stoner had of won the 2010 Championship then leave and Rossi at great expense comes in and fails to win. This would not have looked good at all. Therefore I see it as quite reasonable that 2010 could have been sacrificed to ensure that 2011 was better.



Another spin off to this is that in order for Ducti to offer Rossi the type of engine he is used to, 'big bang', it needed to be tested for a season. So perhaps Stoner has been Rossi's test ..... without even knowing it and really he could have been riding the screamer this season without a problem.
 
Unlike Flossi, Stoner does not seems to need a special crew chief. I see Stoner as a better talent than Rossi on equal machine. As stated before, when he gaps the field it's unmatched by any of the others. I believe Rossi will win races next year, but not the championship. That I believe that will go to Stoner. Ducati is taking a big risk by putting all their eggs in one basket. Rossi is not getting any younger & one more crash like this year can change him forever. What he will do for Ducati is make the bike more rider friendly.



























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levigarrett said:
Well this is really going to bet me in big trouble around here but here goes.......





STONER IS MORE TALENTED THAN ROSSI!............yeah, that's right! Let it sink in
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You entitled to have your opinion, nothing wrong with that but unfortunately stats doesn't back your opinion.
 
There's no doubt that Rossi's pet crew chief has all the magic numbers in his head: Chassis rigidity, damping and hysteresis (in every imaginable flexure mode), dimensions and geometry angles, weight distribution, inertial moments, TC parameters, you name it. Duc could show up in 2011 running a nearly exact M1 clone. But will they?



Ducati have invested a lot of R/D into the bike, and have got the thing to the point that Hayden can reliably finish ... 4th.
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There may be voices in the company that say, "Let's listen to Burgess and adjust what we've got to make it more Rossi ridable. There's no point in building a completely new bike." If this POV wins out, it may take some time for the Yamahazation to take place, and Our Dear Rider may have a harder time than anticipated.



I'm sure there's some clause regarding freedom of development in Rossi's contract. IMO, how much control he and JB wield will largely determine his early season success.
 
Not wanting to attract any negative comments or anything....Yeh right, who am I kidding?

I reckon Stoner will struggle on that Honda.

I think he will have some reasonable, but disapointing results in his first season. A season that will probably see him regretting leaving Ducati.

Could we see the return of 'Crashy Stoner' like in the good ol' days riding the LCR?

For whatever reason, Stoner found something special with that Duc, something that he wont necessarily find with any other bike.



Let the retribution commence.
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Jumkie said:
If Ducati ran their same level of support as they did with Casey, u would b right. Ducati now will stop at nothing, just check out how theyve called all their world wide efforts home. Make no mistake, Ducati is treating their recent signing as a lunar mission. Nothing, and i mean nothing will be spared. I predict Rossi will win soon on the Duc becuz it wont b the kinda Duc theyv run. They started Yamahanizing it a year now. All they need is for Burgess to giv them the last bits of info from Yam to complete the project.
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Totally agree. Ducati have been trying to make their bike work for others (not just Stoner) for some time.

Now they have Rossi, they will throw everything into it. If someone of Rossi's pedigree can't get that bike to work, it would be seen as not only a failure on his part, but for Ducati also.

That aint gonna happen !
 
levigarrett said:
Well this is really going to bet me in big trouble around here but here goes.......





STONER IS MORE TALENTED THAN ROSSI!............yeah, that's right! Let it sink in
<




Rossi is the GOAT not because he's the most talented rider in the field. He is the most mature and the most calculating. He's see's things better than the others and makes the adjustments that are needed to win. His racecraft is second to none, but I don't these he's the rawest talent on the grid.



That honor in my opinion belongs to Stoner. When CS and his bike agree with one another he has the capacity to race completely alone gapping the field by remarkable margins, especially when you consider the crowd he's leaving behind....Rossi, Lorenzo, Hayden, Pedorsa. Three world champs in that crowd and none of them can compete with Casey when he's on his game.



Unfortunately for Casey, he's just not demonstrated the consistency required to take regular advantage of his talents. Talent and consistency are needed to win and so far he's only got one of those attributes.



As for Rossi on the Ducati?? The Duc is ......! Stoner makes it work because he's just that talented. Rossi will need to make it his own, make it more predictable, more trackable. When he does he'll be successful on it but I don't think that will come right away. Rossi is however the kind of professional rider who can make that bike into something that can run up front every weekend. He's got the right temperament and the experience. Stoner is the guy that wins every time on the right machine, I don't think he's the guy that creates something from nothing.....Rossi may prove to be that guy.
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My view is that Casey's head lets him down. He rides outside of his/the bikes limits too frequently in that quest to be as fast as he possibly can. I think Valentino for the most part rides within himself with self preservation coming in there as well. Stoner was ridiculously fast at PI in comparison to everyone else. Part of that was the home track lift but the part of it also was his complete ignorance to the cyclone he was riding in.
 
evo9 said:
Unlike Flossi, Stoner does not seems to need a special crew chief. I see Stoner as a better talent than Rossi on equal machine. As stated before, when he gaps the field it's unmatched by any of the others. I believe Rossi will win races next year, but not the championship. That I believe that will go to Stoner. Ducati is taking a big risk by putting all their eggs in one basket. Rossi is not getting any younger & one more crash like this year can change him forever. What he will do for Ducati is make the bike more rider friendly.





I do think rossi's bike development/set-up ability is an inextricable and major element of his greatness, as it was with mick doohan, the other great with whom I am closely familiar. They themselves obviously consider/considered it very important, as their attitudes to team mates getting a "free" ride, which are/ were very similar demonstrate.



I don't have as much knowledge concerning rainey's, lawson's and king kenny's abilities in this aspect , although apocryphally rainey is said to have completely discarded the chassis yamaha gave him one year. Hailwood was reputedly a ride the hell of whatever they gave him man.





















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