Rossi Hate.

Clear as day in slow motion - you can even see MM's wheel countersteering into Rossi:



In this video, one can see MM's bike suddenly accelerate from the 7th second to the 13th second:



I think many think this excuses Rossi. It obviously doesn't.

RCV600RR said:

Clear as day in slow motion - you can even see MM's wheel countersteering into Rossi:

In this video, one can see MM's bike suddenly accelerate from the 7th second to the 13th second:


I think many think this excuses Rossi. It obviously doesn't.

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Are you saying Marc had more than 0.0% blame in this incident?


If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

RCV600RR said:

Clear as day in slow motion - you can even see MM's wheel countersteering into Rossi:



In this video, one can see MM's bike suddenly accelerate from the 7th second to the 13th second:



I think many think this excuses Rossi. It obviously doesn't.

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Dont try and sell me ........ ... rossi kicks at Marquez ... Its disgusting .... so shameful Lorenzo left the team. As would any decent racer, person or creature with intelligence above that of an amoeba.

Jumkie said:

Are you saying Marc had more than 0.0% blame in this incident?


If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

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It's difficult to say.

I mean, what's the standard of acceptable conduct when someone is running you wide? Do you run off? Do you turn into him because you're pissed off?

Obviously, the smarter thing to do is to run off and have RD deal with your rival's behavior...but it's easy for me to say, sitting on my couch, rather than being in the heat of the moment.

Obviously, turning into someone is not smart, because it caused his lever to contact Rossi's leg, which meant his front folded.

I think the best answer is that, once rider engage in shenanigans with each other, something stupid is going to be the ultimate result. Each rider will get angrier and angrier until something like this happens.

RCV600RR said:

It's difficult to say.

I mean, what's the standard of acceptable conduct when someone is running you wide? Do you run off? Do you turn into him because you're pissed off?

Obviously, the smarter thing to do is to run off and have RD deal with your rival's behavior...but it's easy for me to say, sitting on my couch, rather than being in the heat of the moment.

Obviously, turning into someone is not smart, because it caused his lever to contact Rossi's leg, which meant his front folded.

I think the best answer is that, once rider engage in shenanigans with each other, something stupid is going to be the ultimate result. Each rider will get angrier and angrier until something like this happens.

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You are a sick person.

Mick Doohan must be too.

RCV600RR said:

Mick Doohan must be too.

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If he believes the crap you just spouted then he must be.

"Marquez turned into rossi" .... Ive heard everything now. :rolleyes

How arrogant can you be to think that a 5 time world champion is "sick" to disagree with you? I mean, do you ever doubt your judgment? It's okay to hold a view, but to think everyone who disagrees with your viewing of a (highly controversial) incident is "sick" - is incredible.

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How arrogant can you be to think that a 5 time world champion is "sick" to disagree with you? I mean, do you ever doubt your judgment? It's okay to hold a view, but to think everyone who disagrees with your viewing of a (highly controversial) incident is "sick" - is incredible.

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Judgement!?

You put up damning evidence that shows rossis filth. Then you procede to tell me some halfwit ........ of what I see happening. No judgement necessary

Jumkie said:

Are you saying Marc had more than 0.0% blame in this incident?


If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

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Apparently Marquez turning right in a right hander is the cause of him crashing. The guy straight lining the corner and looking behind is an innocent bystander. Marquez waz very lucky he didn't injure him when he punched his foot. :crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

Marquez didn’t turn into Rossi, he tried to ride around him and get back into the race leaving Rossi behind.
At this point Rossi pokes out a leg and Marquez goes down.
There’s no need for Marquez to come into the pits saying he was kicked off unless it’s true. He knows there’s cameras everywhere including on both bikes.
The feeds from the bikes could throw more light on what happened but they’ve mysteriously not been shown.
I get that you’re a Rossi fan but you’re out of order trying to pin this on Marquez, the guy just wanted to race hard and Rossi wasn’t having it, he wanted Marquez harrying Lorenzo not him,so he ran him out wide and did the unthinkable. Look at the pictures of both crews at the time. Marquez’s crew are raging and Rossi’s are just stunned and worried, they were expecting the black flag that never came.

You Rossi haters are a disgrace to the sport. The sooner you retire from following MotoGP, the better afaik. Defending Marquez, truely disgusting.

RCV600RR said:

How arrogant can you be to think that a 5 time world champion is "sick" to disagree with you? I mean, do you ever doubt your judgment? It's okay to hold a view, but to think everyone who disagrees with your viewing of a (highly controversial) incident is "sick" - is incredible.

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A two time and more recent world champion thought Rossi should have been black flagged, which doesn't make Doohan's opinion unreasonable of course.

If the same standard of evidence and proof is to be accepted as was by so many in regard to PI 2015, including by you to a minor degree, then Rossi kicked him because MM who was the one out there on the track clearly thinks he did.

My opinion is unchanged from when the incident occurred, Rossi's foot contacted MM's bike and he was entirely responsible for the contact because he made the non racing move, but he did not volitionally kick the bike, and certainly didn't aim the kick deliberately to fold MM's front. I disagree with Mick though, apportioning any blame to MM is like blaming someone who has been shot in the head for not ducking. I take Mick's point in that I believe the natural instinct of previous Rossi rivals like Gibernau and Stoner would have been to avoid
contact, which is what Rossi was probably relying on. I don't think you can blame MM for being startled/astonished. My reaction watching live, as was even Nick Harris's reaction, was what the .... is Rossi doing?. Same as Jerez last corner 2005 actually, a time when I had absolutely no animus against Rossi and was somewhat on board with the anti-Gibernau narrative.

I actually thought watching live that MM was racing him cleanly by his standards, and recalled Motegi 2010 and Rossi's career long and much acclaimed patented move of immediately attempting the re-pass after being passed. The only issues for me are whether MM had held back to race Rossi and actually was significantly faster than Rossi at the time of their contretemps; if so he is very good at pretending to nearly lose a bike as he did around the time Lorenzo passed him. Iirc Lorenzo had caught up Rossi by several seconds at Motegi 2010 btw.

33 Coupe said:

You Rossi haters are a disgrace to the sport. The sooner you retire from following MotoGP, the better afaik. Defending Marquez, truely disgusting.

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I just think we are all stupid, cos we still havent learned "the rossi truth" yet.

michaelm said:

A two time and more recent world champion thought Rossi should have been black flagged, which doesn't make Doohan's opinion unreasonable of course.

If the same standard of evidence and proof is to be accepted as was by so many in regard to PI 2015, including by you to a minor degree, then Rossi kicked him because MM who was the one out there on the track clearly thinks he did.

My opinion is unchanged from when the incident occurred, Rossi's foot contacted MM's bike and he was entirely responsible for the contact because he made the non racing move, but he did not volitionally kick the bike, and certainly didn't aim the kick deliberately to fold MM's front. I disagree with Mick though, apportioning any blame to MM is like blaming someone who has been shot in the head for not ducking. I take Mick's point in that I believe the natural instinct of previous Rossi rivals like Gibernau and Stoner would have been to avoid
contact, which is what Rossi was probably relying on. I don't think you can blame MM for being startled/astonished. My reaction watching live, as was even Nick Harris's reaction, was what the .... is Rossi doing?. Same as Jerez last corner 2005 actually, a time when I had absolutely no animus against Rossi and was somewhat on board with the anti-Gibernau narrative.

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My view is very close to yours, except that I think MM probably made an unwise move to turn into him. I feel uncomfortable assigning blame to MM for this though, because I think most would've done the same and possibly worse if someone tried to run them wide.

michaelm said:

I actually thought watching live that MM was racing him cleanly by his standards, and recalled Motegi 2010 and Rossi's career long and much acclaimed patented move of immediately attempting the re-pass after being passed. The only issues for me are whether MM had held back to race Rossi and actually was significantly faster than Rossi at the time of their contretemps; if so he is very good at pretending to nearly lose a bike as he did around the time Lorenzo passed him. Iirc Lorenzo had caught up Rossi by several seconds at Motegi 2010 btw.

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There was no question that MM was racing well within the rules. He made no dodgy passes - but I had no doubt he was ....... with Rossi (and probably deservedly so, after Rossi's wild accusations). They were losing about a second a lap to DP and JL and made 14 passes on each other in a handful of laps.

I think it's all conjecture as to whether MM was faster than Rossi, but I suspect so. I've never seen DP pull away from MM so quickly and easily.

BarryMachine said:

Judgement!?

You put up damning evidence that shows rossis filth. Then you procede to tell me some halfwit ........ of what I see happening. No judgement necessary

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No worries - I won't engage with you anymore.

RCV600RR said:

Clear as day in slow motion - you can even see MM's wheel countersteering into Rossi:



In this video, one can see MM's bike suddenly accelerate from the 7th second to the 13th second:



I think many think this excuses Rossi. It obviously doesn't.

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My friend, I suspect that's yer brain seeing what it's predisposed to see. If instead of focusing on the gap between the two riders, you focus on the gap between MM the outside of the track, you cannot help but see that MM's on a steady trajectory, keeping a very consistent gap between himself and the outside of the track and in fact, it's Rossi moving steadily away from the inside line, with the distance between himself and the outside line dramatically increasing, with the crystal clear intent of running MM wide.

RCV600RR said:

My view is very close to yours, except that I think MM probably made an unwise move to turn into him. I feel uncomfortable assigning blame to MM for this though, because I think most would've done the same and possibly worse if someone tried to run them wide.


There was no question that MM was racing well within the rules. He made no dodgy passes - but I had no doubt he was ....... with Rossi (and probably deservedly so, after Rossi's wild accusations). They were losing about a second a lap to DP and JL and made 14 passes on each other in a handful of laps.

I think it's all conjecture as to whether MM was faster than Rossi, but I suspect so. I've never seen DP pull away from MM so quickly and easily.

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I will go so far as saying he had pre-determined that if it came about he would race Rossi for position with no quarter, and possibly that he would re-enact Motegi 2010 as he more or less had previously re-enacted Jerez 2005 and the Corkscrew 2008. If he wanted to win the race he and Rossi not dogfighting was the best tactic, but if he had decided 3rd was his best position then not letting Rossi successfully pass him was the way to go. Rossi had no chance of finishing better than third at Motegi 2010 and showed no sign of having the pace to match Pedrosa and Lorenzo once MM was out at Sepang 2015, and as you yourself have said if MM was as super- (or supra) human as is implied in discussions of his malevolence in the events of late season 2015 he wouldn't have been out of title contention. I disagree with one of your earlier posts btw, I don't think they fixed the bike until recently, it remained skittish particularly early in races for well over another one and a half seasons.

I have seen Dani dominate MM, as well as peak Stoner, peak Rossi and peak Lorenzo for that matter, on one of his somewhat rare week-ends, and Sepang 2015 was very definitely one of those week-ends imo. Like Povol, I always thought Dani would win that race, and thought this well before the race started. Rossi needed MM to beat Lorenzo imo, which still wins Lorenzo the title but by 1 point less; it is much more likely imo Rossi actually gained 3 points by taking MM out.

Lets look at your evidence.
MM racing well within the rules. Check.
MM made no dodgy passes. Check.
MM may have been ....... with Rossi, but Rossi deserved it. Check
Rossi deliberately runs wide while looking backwards at MM. Check.

And you conclusion is MM made an unwise move turning right in a right hander instead of running off track. No wonder you feel uncomfortable assigning blame, because you have found the victim guilty, not the perpetrator.

Why would anyone even bother to look at what Marquez is doing after what Rossi did? Bit like telling a corpse why didn't you jump to the left before he shot you.