Rossi explains his desire for elimination of Traction Control

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(yamaka46 @ Nov 16 2007, 03:17 PM) [snapback]101112[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'm not sure he's complained about the rules as such. He has however complained about the performance of both the Michelins and the Yamaha engine.

Again, as an engineer, I do not understand how you can categorically state that his only problem is with HIS performance rather than that of his bike and tyres.


when i said his performance, i was reffering to the results. it's a team sport ultimately and the route of his poor performance is another story. I was simply talking about him bringing so many rules into question when he was so happy about them before he lost.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 16 2007, 01:23 PM) [snapback]101094[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I see your point, and i don't doubt that Rossi believed that his bike was as good as he said it was when the season started, but he is saying the problem lies in all sorts of rules when in fact the only problem he really has is his performance.


What paralell universe are you living in Tom. If you haven't heard Rossi complaining to Yamaha and Michelin, you must have closed your eyes and ears all shut.

No wonder you have all those strange opinions

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 16 2007, 04:15 PM) [snapback]101123[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
when i said his performance, i was reffering to the results. it's a team sport ultimately and the route of his poor performance is another story. I was simply talking about him bringing so many rules into question when he was so happy about them before he lost.

Which rules did he bring into question?

The only thing I remember was him saying that the tyre war was detracting from the racing. That possibly lead to the single make tyre threat by Dorna - I say possibly as I certainly have seen no proof that it was Rossi threatening anything.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Nov 16 2007, 04:19 PM) [snapback]101125[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
What paralell universe are you living in Tom. If you haven't heard Rossi complaining to Yamaha and Michelin, you must have closed your eyes and ears all shut.

No wonder you have all those strange opinions


Don't worry, i heard him bitching to them too. Something else that was not especially impressive, but this is about his attitude towards various rules.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 16 2007, 04:15 PM) [snapback]101123[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
when i said his performance, i was reffering to the results. it's a team sport ultimately and the route of his poor performance is another story. I was simply talking about him bringing so many rules into question when he was so happy about them before he lost.


Rossi does not complain about losing, thats what alot of people think but he complains when he doesn't have a bike he can ride to the maximum.

Thats different.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(yamaka46 @ Nov 16 2007, 04:21 PM) [snapback]101127[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Which rules did he bring into question?

The only thing I remember was him saying that the tyre war was detracting from the racing. That possibly lead to the single make tyre threat by Dorna - I say possibly as I certainly have seen no proof that it was Rossi threatening anything.


rossi has publically talked about the how he doesn't like the 800's as much as the 990's and about how the tyre rules are ruining the sport. At the start of the season i saw quotes from rossi supporting both of those changes as excellent things. He was looking foreward to the "fair" tyre situation and the bikes that had more corner speed, until there was someone doing it better than him and suddenly the rules all need changing. I just think his PR system is doing way too much of the talking his riding used to.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 16 2007, 04:21 PM) [snapback]101128[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Don't worry, i heard him bitching to them too. Something else that was not especially impressive, but this is about his attitude towards various rules.

Either state which bldy rules or stop going on about it

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 16 2007, 04:23 PM) [snapback]101129[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Rossi does not complain about losing, thats what alot of people think but he complains when he doesn't have a bike he can ride to the maximum.

Thats different.

+1

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 16 2007, 04:23 PM) [snapback]101129[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Rossi does not complain about losing, thats what alot of people think but he complains when he doesn't have a bike he can ride to the maximum.

Thats different.


well i remember earlier in the year when melandri ran his mouth and people were quick to point out that it was unproffesional to moan like that. I don't know about anyone else but the same standards apply hear with the rules and the bike problems. I can appreciate that he is just identifying what he feels the problem is, but he never seems to take any credit himself.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 16 2007, 04:25 PM) [snapback]101130[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
rossi has publically talked about the how he doesn't like the 800's as much as the 990's and about how the tyre rules are ruining the sport. At the start of the season i saw quotes from rossi supporting both of those changes as excellent things. He was looking foreward to the "fair" tyre situation and the bikes that had more corner speed, until there was someone doing it better than him and suddenly the rules all need changing. I just think his PR system is doing way too much of the talking his riding used to.


Not liking the 800s as much as the 990s is not the same as saying that the rules need to change.

His tyres and bike not allowing him to ride the way he wants to is also not saying that the rules need to change.

If you listen to recent interviews with him, such as the one after PI on Aussie TV, or the one with Suzi at Valencia, I think that the reason he's giving such long well thought out answers to questions on these subjects is that some of his previous comments have been taken out of context by the press and he's trying to set the record straight.

I don't think he has (or needs) a PR system as such - he seems to answer questions honestly and thoughtfully and is obviously very intelligent.

Anyway, we are all entitled to our opinions. I was just pissed off that you were making statements without backing them up.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(yamaka46 @ Nov 16 2007, 04:26 PM) [snapback]101131[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Either state which bldy rules or stop going on about it
+1

Replies crossed in the ether!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(yamaka46 @ Nov 16 2007, 04:35 PM) [snapback]101139[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

If you listen to recent interviews with him, such as the one after PI on Aussie TV, or the one with Suzi at Valencia, I think that the reason he's giving such long well thought out answers to questions on these subjects is that some of his previous comments have been taken out of context by the press and he's trying to set the record straight.

I don't think he has (or needs) a PR system as such - he seems to answer questions honestly and thoughtfully and is obviously very intelligent.



I did read the interviews yes, and it was better when he spoke thoughtfully rather than out of frustration. I think a lot of rossi's popularity comes from very intelligent PR and he knows that, but ultimately he is still an italian motorcycle racer with a unthinkably large ego, sometimes it will get the better of him. The only reason i pick up on it so much is because its something we see more explicitly since he has been losing, and i find it interesting.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 16 2007, 04:38 PM) [snapback]101142[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I did read the interviews yes, and it was better when he spoke thoughtfully rather than out of frustration. I think a lot of rossi's popularity comes from very intelligent PR and he knows that, but ultimately he is still an italian motorcycle racer with a unthinkably large ego, sometimes it will get the better of him. The only reason i pick up on it so much is because its something we see more explicitly since he has been losing, and i find it interesting.

Think you'll find the two synonymous

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ThePhorest @ Nov 14 2007, 02:11 PM) [snapback]100806[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I have been saying it all season. BRING THE 990s BACK!! This is MotoGP not ballet dancing! It's going to be dangerous. And with the 800s breaking the 990s' lap records all while carrying more corner speed, I don't see the safety argument as being valid.

For once, I'll say Rossi is right!


Genius.


Who was waxing on and on about Pedro being good with bike control? Give me a break. On a 990 you need to hang off, brake deep, and move your body all over the bike to keep the thing moving quickly while remaining right side up.

You wanna see a little guy who has good bike control? Look at Capi! He rode the most demonic of all 990 machines and he made it look absolutely terrifying. Pedro is good at bike control? Pfft, please. What an in the moment, hype-believing, out of perspective thing to say!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(basspete @ Nov 16 2007, 03:57 PM) [snapback]101118[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think sometimes we as armchair racers should accept that Rossi et al know a hell of a lot more about the bikes tyres etc than we like to think we do.

Somebody with Rossi's pedigree is in a very strong position to influence what goes on around him because he has a proven track record in 125, 250, 500, 990 and 800s. Think about it, titles in 4 of the 5 capacities he has raced in, for 3 different manufacturers.

Yes he's made mistakes the last couple of seasons, but as has already been said, it's easy to fall when you are pushing a slower bike.

I also think that it takes balls to go to Bridgestones, coz he's putting his money where his mouth is. He has publically said that his tyres were not as good as the Stones this year, and is willing to back this up by moving over.

Comparing Rossi to Biaggi? well, i suppose their careers have been so similar since Biaggi won 5 premier titles........

Pete

spot on.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Nov 16 2007, 07:09 PM) [snapback]101156[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Genius.
Who was waxing on and on about Pedro being good with bike control? Give me a break. On a 990 you need to hang off, brake deep, and move your body all over the bike to keep the thing moving quickly while remaining right side up.

You wanna see a little guy who has good bike control? Look at Capi! He rode the most demonic of all 990 machines and he made it look absolutely terrifying. Pedro is good at bike control? Pfft, please. What an in the moment, hype-believing, out of perspective thing to say!


What's wrong with this picture:
"a little guy who has good bike control? Look at Capi! ",
"He rode the most demonic of all 990 machines and he made it look absolutely terrifying".

If he is so good, why does he make the bike look so bad? He does the same this year, only we don't see much of it as he is to far behind the leaders. Is he good making the bike look bad or is the bike good making him look bad? This year I think the later is true. It hope an belive that in pervious years, he was good making the bike look "bad" but the results this year have made me uncertain. For now I prefer to think that the Capirossi/Ducati combination is uncompatible this year.
A good rider doesn't make the bike look that bad unless constantly on the very limit, and none of these guys are constantly on the limit.
Quite the oposite, that's one of the reasons they have reached so far.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 17 2007, 03:25 AM) [snapback]101130[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
rossi has publically talked about the how he doesn't like the 800's as much as the 990's and about how the tyre rules are ruining the sport. At the start of the season i saw quotes from rossi supporting both of those changes as excellent things. He was looking foreward to the "fair" tyre situation and the bikes that had more corner speed, until there was someone doing it better than him and suddenly the rules all need changing. I just think his PR system is doing way too much of the talking his riding used to.

With all due respect Tom, this is a pretty weak point, as almost every rider has noted their preference for the 990cc capacity restriction. Also, in another interview with Australian motorcycle news, before the change, he said he was unhappy with the change. I'm not sure where you get your information from.

You also point out that Rossi supported the tyre changes. Yes, this is true, but when he became more informed about the effect of the tyre rule changes(ie. during the actual season), he revised his opinion. Also, at the start of the season, where qualifying tyres were used in abundance, this may have skewed his(and others') opinion.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Roadrunner @ Nov 15 2007, 02:40 AM) [snapback]100736[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think some of you guys are overestimating the impact of a traction control a bit. One commentator from Eurosports asked several riders if they did any changes to the traction control for their laps on qualifying tyres and all of them said, on qualifying tyres, they didn't use traction control at all! By the way, Dani was one of them. So if some of you still think he can't ride without a traction control, how the hell was he able to get on pole in the last four races?

Probably all of us would love to see traction controls banned. But it's not that easy. The teams will always find a way to cut power of the bikes to make them more rideable. If they don't call it "traction control" they will call it "engine mapping" or whatever. Who decides what counts as a traction control and what doesn't?

You're missing a pretty big point. TC really makes the difference in during the last half of the race, when the tyres are shot(and the rider skill supposedly emerges)...
I don't think it needs to be pointed out that an advantage during the race is more important than one in qualifying.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 16 2007, 01:23 PM) [snapback]101094[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I see your point, and i don't doubt that Rossi believed that his bike was as good as he said it was when the season started, but he is saying the problem lies in all sorts of rules when in fact the only problem he really has is his performance.


I never heard him say that the 'problem' lies in the rules - that's incorrect, and the title of this topic also is a little misleading. I usually read Rossi's interviews and listen to them in Italian, and he has never attacked the rules asking them to be changed.

What he has complained about is technical situations - weakness of his engine, inferiority of his tyres on most tracks. He asked Michelin and Yamaha to give him something better - he never asked Dorna or other bodies to change any rules. Then it is the journalists making the headlines, and twisting things quite a bit.

An example of this is the recent title about Dovizioso, 'Dovizioso criticizes traction control'.... I have read that interview in Italian and he did not 'criticize' anything, neither did he ask for TC to be removed. They asked his impressions with MotoGP bikes and he said he found them easier than 250cc on the throttle, thanks to TC. That's all.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(yamaka46 @ Nov 16 2007, 04:35 PM) [snapback]101139[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Not liking the 800s as much as the 990s is not the same as saying that the rules need to change.

His tyres and bike not allowing him to ride the way he wants to is also not saying that the rules need to change.

If you listen to recent interviews with him, such as the one after PI on Aussie TV, or the one with Suzi at Valencia, I think that the reason he's giving such long well thought out answers to questions on these subjects is that some of his previous comments have been taken out of context by the press and he's trying to set the record straight.

I don't think he has (or needs) a PR system as such - he seems to answer questions honestly and thoughtfully and is obviously very intelligent.

Anyway, we are all entitled to our opinions. I was just pissed off that you were making statements without backing them up.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(J4rn0 @ Nov 18 2007, 10:38 AM) [snapback]101341[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I never heard him say that the 'problem' lies in the rules - that's incorrect, and the title of this topic also is a little misleading. I usually read Rossi's interviews and listen to them in Italian, and he has never attacked the rules asking them to be changed.

What he has complained about is technical situations - weakness of his engine, inferiority of his tyres on most tracks. He asked Michelin and Yamaha to give him something better - he never asked Dorna or other bodies to change any rules. Then it is the journalists making the headlines, and twisting things quite a bit.

An example of this is the recent title about Dovizioso, 'Dovizioso criticizes traction control'.... I have read that interview in Italian and he did not 'criticize' anything, neither did he ask for TC to be removed. They asked his impressions with MotoGP bikes and he said he found them easier than 250cc on the throttle, thanks to TC. That's all.


J4rno, I agree with you completely as my previous post shows. However I have given up trying to convince Tom - he seems to have an anti-Rossi head on at the moment and believes what the journos print more than the actual words from Rossi himself. As far as I can tell, this seems to be because, in Tom's opinion, Rossi's words are just PR spin.