Rossi explains his desire for elimination of Traction Control

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I think some of you guys are overestimating the impact of a traction control a bit. One commentator from Eurosports asked several riders if they did any changes to the traction control for their laps on qualifying tyres and all of them said, on qualifying tyres, they didn't use traction control at all! By the way, Dani was one of them. So if some of you still think he can't ride without a traction control, how the hell was he able to get on pole in the last four races?

Probably all of us would love to see traction controls banned. But it's not that easy. The teams will always find a way to cut power of the bikes to make them more rideable. If they don't call it "traction control" they will call it "engine mapping" or whatever. Who decides what counts as a traction control and what doesn't?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Roadrunner @ Nov 14 2007, 03:40 PM) [snapback]100736[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think some of you guys are overestimating the impact of a traction control a bit. One commentator from Eurosports asked several riders if they did any changes to the traction control for their laps on qualifying tyres and all of them said, on qualifying tyres, they didn't use traction control at all! By the way, Dani was one of them. So if some of you still think he can't ride without a traction control, how the hell was he able to get on pole in the last four races?


On the money. Dani get's a bad rap from the less knowledgable around here. Dunno why. There seems to be a popular misconception that all any of these guys has to do is crack open the throttle and the "TC" does it all for them. As far as bringing back 990's, like that'll happen. The racing is fine, it's in a transistion year, a developmental year, of course the guys that aren't winning are gonna cry some and say 'change this' and 'change that'.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Frizzle @ Nov 14 2007, 09:26 AM) [snapback]100664[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Don't care either way really.

I don't think it will make the racing any closer and the cream of the riders will still rise to the top.


yea they will but I still get a little pissed when i see riders up near the front keeping the pace when i know they are not at that level and its the TC helping them to do that.

also i want to see powerslides again
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Goatboy @ Nov 14 2007, 01:36 PM) [snapback]100705[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I don't think you can ban TC straight off, it would spell certain death for some people:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NW0Q7U_kYk

that link shows what happens when you rely on electronics over your own feel and skill. that would not have happened if there was no launch control fitted to his bike.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 14 2007, 01:14 PM) [snapback]100749[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
yea they will but I still get a little pissed when i see riders up near the front keeping the pace when i know they are not at that level and its the TC helping them to do that.

also i want to see powerslides again
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Quali - tyres are another thing that shouldn't happen. Anybody who doesn't believe that TC really helps the mid-field riders has to be crazy. Power riders - Rossi, Capirossi, Hayden are caught by guys better known for crashing due to not being able to dose the throttle & brakes (eg Stoner, Melandri) all because of TC. Capirossi was well on his way to the 2006 title (miles better than Hayden) until gibbers knocked him off the track -he's a power rider & doesn't fart around with the TC stuff. Take off or at least minimize the TC on the 800's and powerslides will be back and more important we need the success factor to be rider+bike NOT rider+bike+tyres+TC
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 15 2007, 04:14 AM) [snapback]100749[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
yea they will but I still get a little pissed when i see riders up near the front keeping the pace when i know they are not at that level and its the TC helping them to do that.




Care to elaborate?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RCV600RR @ Nov 14 2007, 08:56 AM) [snapback]100655[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Among other interesting things, Michael Scott asked him what could be done to improve MotoGP. Rossi responded that a return to 990 would be much better. Interestingly, he argued that a complete absence or regulation of traction control, in his opinion, would put the focus more on the rider than present.

Good recommendation, IMO. Thoughts?


Well.. it seems to be at the moment 'what Rossi wants, Rossi gets'. Michelin to Bridgestones, and the only Yamaha on them - this man has so much more power than his rivals. Maybe we could see a change for the traction control. And I agree what he said about it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ptk50 @ Nov 14 2007, 02:30 PM) [snapback]100702[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I agree completely - NO TC! - whether it's 800 or 990 isn't the big issue. it should be a competition between riders & bikes. one tyre rule wouldn't be bad either. having said all that the idea of NO TC is an illusion - ducati, kawasaki, honda & suzuki are already building some TC into their 1000cc and bigger street bikes - it's going to be an issue of how much TC - and that's going to be the LESS the better


After the control tyre, F1 is probably going the road of CONTROL TC - a standard pre-programmed black box that gives all cars the same amount and quality of TC, sufficient for safety's sake... Now what... I wouldn't disagree in principle. TC stays and brings the safety, but ceases to be an area of engineering competition.
 
Yeah I would like to see motogp go back to the 990, after seeing the 800 this last year and seeing they are smaller then a 600. I think motogp should be a mans sport wrestling around bikes with a lot of power and a thin line between hooking up with full traction and flipping over your head.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(J4rn0 @ Nov 14 2007, 05:19 PM) [snapback]100801[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
After the control tyre, F1 is probably going the road of CONTROL TC - a standard pre-programmed black box that gives all cars the same amount and quality of TC, sufficient for safety's sake... Now what... I wouldn't disagree in principle. TC stays and brings the safety, but ceases to be an area of engineering competition.

my fear is that this may be the way it goes - what a bummer if moto-gp starts to look like an f1 procession
 
I have been saying it all season. BRING THE 990s BACK!! This is MotoGP not ballet dancing! It's going to be dangerous. And with the 800s breaking the 990s' lap records all while carrying more corner speed, I don't see the safety argument as being valid.

For once, I'll say Rossi is right!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ptk50 @ Nov 14 2007, 06:45 PM) [snapback]100763[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Anybody who doesn't believe that TC really helps the mid-field riders has to be crazy. Power riders - Rossi, Capirossi, Hayden are caught by guys better known for crashing due to not being able to dose the throttle & brakes (eg Stoner, Melandri) all because of TC.


Getting your licks in early in case melandri has a really good year now that he is on a factory bike? I seem to recall him winning a 990 race last year on a satellite honda with the then inferior bridgestone tyres. I wouldn't have thought he was a particularly notable crasher but winning races or getting close on an inferior bike usually involves pushing things to or past the limit and he has won several.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Nov 15 2007, 12:26 AM) [snapback]100811[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Getting your licks in early in case melandri has a really good year now that he is on a factory bike? I seem to recall him winning a 990 race last year on a satellite honda with the then inferior bridgestone tyres. I wouldn't have thought he was a particularly notable crasher but winning races or getting close on an inferior bike usually involves pushing things to or past the limit and he has won several.


I agree with you there, most of the way. Meaning I got nothing to say about the riders. Melandri has been learning, and of course without TC Stoner would have had more to handle, but all in all I can't say they are midpack riders succeding only because of TC, not at all.

But TC make a difference. JT had problems with the TC on one of the later races this season and the bike tried and succeded to throw him off.
That clearly show that it does matter.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Louise @ Nov 14 2007, 09:12 PM) [snapback]100799[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Well.. it seems to be at the moment 'what Rossi wants, Rossi gets'. Michelin to Bridgestones, and the only Yamaha on them - this man has so much more power than his rivals. Maybe we could see a change for the traction control. And I agree what he said about it.

Shame the same can't be said for the yamaka
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Personally, I am against TC. But, Rossi need to make up his mind. He wanted a one tire rule becuase it makes for better/closer racing. Well TC does the same. So, should'nt he be rooting for TC too?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ptk50 @ Nov 14 2007, 10:24 PM) [snapback]100804[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
my fear is that this may be the way it goes - what a bummer if moto-gp starts to look like an f1 procession


If they go on evolving the TCs more and more, it will inevitably become a procession...

Banning the TC entirely is anachronistic and technically difficult to enforce.
So maybe a control TC is not an outlandish proposition.

I can imagine a year 2009 with control tyres and a control TC in motoGP... I do not say it's good or bad, but that could well be the direction it's going.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(crvlvr @ Nov 15 2007, 12:20 AM) [snapback]100816[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Personally, I am against TC. But, Rossi need to make up his mind. He wanted a one tire rule becuase it makes for better/closer racing. Well TC does the same. So, should'nt he be rooting for TC too?

No! TC would only make for that if there was a control TC package. TC tries to "think for the rider" which makes it bad for the racing. If we had the equivalent of UAV racing would you watch it? That is the next logical step. Plus, have you seen F1 over the last 10+ years (although that's not just a TC problem, as next year will doubtless show)?

Rossi, whether you like him or not, is a very switched on bloke (and I mean in the Engineering field, not the PR field) Also, he is not the only rider out there bemoaning the escalation of TC.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(crvlvr @ Nov 15 2007, 01:20 AM) [snapback]100816[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Personally, I am against TC. But, Rossi need to make up his mind. He wanted a one tire rule becuase it makes for better/closer racing. Well TC does the same. So, should'nt he be rooting for TC too?


I think you forgot that he also wanted the rider to make more of an impact on the racing. More power and no TC does that.
 
Thus far I've seen Rossi, Vermy, Hayden & Stoner all comment that they prefer the 990's, so why change for the sake of change in the first place?
I read somewhere Honda pushed for the 800's? Is that right?
 
id say it was never confrimed but seems to be the general thinking that it was honda that pushed for 800s for safety but many think it was because of pedrosas size and them thinking they will use their engineering power
 

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