Riders who shouldn't be in moto gp anymore

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ May 9 2007, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can tell already this might become an explosive thread.

My picks are:

Barros...he was booted last season, he did naff all in WSBK, why is he back?

Tamada...two wins a very long time ago, is being outpaced by his rookie teammate who some say is only there for the dosh he brings.

Checa...ah, good old Careless Chucker, he's been there for at least 12 years, and what has he done? F all.

Agree with everything u write.. Kenny Jnr can go too.. Clean out all the old hacks..

Tamada has had too many chances.

OJ is ....

Checa is not making progress and could be replaced with better riders easily

Hoffman is on his last chance

Barros has little to offer except flashes of speed

Edwards should be a test rider because thats all he is good for

KRJR i am an unsure of, he showed last year he can cut it, but he no longer has the racers edge. How .... is his bike and who else is gonna bother riding it?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ May 9 2007, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah Tom, cull half the grid why don't ya!

Yeah well some rider will get sacked out of the grid, others will just make their way to lower teams you know. Off topic a bit, but realistically speaking, what riders do you see coming into motogp next year. Obviously we will have JT, Lorenzo and Dovi. But who else, i can't think of any other riders who have shown what it really takes.

I'll disagree with you on Barros, his fourth placed finish in Turkey proved that he's still capable of going fast.
Similarly Checa was the only rider to finish in the points in every single race last year, that counts as something in my book.

Tamada has outstayed his welcome I think, ditto Nakano. If you need a Japanese rider, give Nori Haga or Kiyonari a chance.

Edwards, I cannot stress enough how annoying it is to see Rossi's lapdog wasting one of the top MotoGP seats. Tamada, Nakano, Hoffmann are all on bikes that lets face it, nobody's going to do well on. But Colin Edwards is on a bike that three years ago Rossi made extremely competitive and it has been ever since. Yamaha still have one of the top bikes, and there is no excuse for them having one of their seats wasted so spectacularly. Either make him a test rider which he is good at, or put him on the Tech3. Put Elias, Loopy Lorenzo or Biaggi on the second Yamaha and watch the ratings (and the tempers) soar!

Hoffmann is there because he's available and has no hope of a better ride.

Randy dePuniet..... I don't know if its the Green Machine or him, but he's going nowhere and he's going there extremely slowly. This season should be his last if he can't pick it up from somewhere, and Le Mans will be his best chance to do that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 9 2007, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah well some rider will get sacked out of the grid, others will just make their way to lower teams you know. Off topic a bit, but realistically speaking, what riders do you see coming into motogp next year. Obviously we will have JT, Lorenzo and Dovi. But who else, i can't think of any other riders who have shown what it really takes.
Well if Nakano blows this entire season, I think we might see Haga or Kiyonari replacing him at Konica?

Lorenzo isn't gonna waste another year in 250, hes too good for it already. JT should be in GP even if he loses this years title, because he is riding so damn well.

The gap from AMA to motogp is too big unless the rider in question is obviously kicking ..., so spies needs to get better very quickly. The BSB i think doesn't have anyone good enough right now, unless some team takes a punt on Rea, but that'd be risky. We could see a random 250 rider move up, apparently many teams have said DeAngelis is built for motogp, or perhaps one of the Japanese ones could get a job.

Spies did dominate last year and is leading the points this year.As was discussed in a previous thread,its not talent holding Spies back from GP,its size.Same thing that held back Mladin his whole career.Mladin has tested with WSB riders and spanked their ... so it's not a lack of talent on his or Spies part.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ May 9 2007, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>^

I remember in the 03 WSBK round at Laguna, Mladin and his boys got their ..... whupped by the WSBK regulars.

There is a big talent gap between WSBK and domestic, as Lavilla proves.

There is indeed a gap, but Lavilla did a solid job in 03 on the then disadvantaged Suzuki GSXR, and i think now should be in the world championship as he is riding better than ever. The trouble is that when removed from his comfort zone he may find himself struggling. If you think Spies and Mladin are better than the top World superbike riders your just foolling yourself. Spies may be in the future, but not if he stays in America.

I think mainly Jaque, Tamada and Hoffman are underperforming constantly.

That said, Toseland, Lorenzo or Dovi decline offers from the teams like Tech3 and D'Antín so it's not really a wasted space, just the best you'll get for the money they get paid.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ May 9 2007, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think mainly Jaque, Tamada and Hoffman are underperforming constantly.

That said, Toseland, Lorenzo or Dovi decline offers from the teams like Tech3 and D'Antín so it's not really a wasted space, just the best you'll get for the money they get paid.

But OJ, Hoffman and Tamada need to get kicked out to make room in the .... teams for riders like Edwards and Checa to make room in the good teams for the new kids.

Out;

Hoffman
Barros
Nakano
OJ
Checa
Edwards

In;

JT
Dovi
Lorenzo
Hmm and a couple more i cant think of!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ May 9 2007, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think mainly Jaque, Tamada and Hoffman are underperforming constantly.
I don't think you'll get any arguements about Jacque or Tamada.

I think Jacque was a last minute replacement when Nakano left and they couldn't get Hiroshi Aoyama; I think they'll get their man for 2008 and Jacque will go back to testing.

Tech 3 took Tamada in the hope that he would duplicate (or even better) Checa's results from 2006. Given that he can't even beat his rookie teammate that doesn't look likely...

Hoffman actually has two consecutive top ten placings--he's in the form of his MotoGP life! To say that he's underperforming just shows that his nick name should be "Grid Filler"...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ May 9 2007, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That said, Toseland, Lorenzo or Dovi decline offers from the teams like Tech3 and D'Antín so it's not really a wasted space, just the best you'll get for the money they get paid.
This is very true, and the reason why it wouldn't surprise me if Tamada manages to hold onto his ride for 2008...

BTW, who is Teomolca? Shouldn't I be replying to "Schumi's ....." or "Lorenzo World Loverboy"???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 9 2007, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But OJ, Hoffman and Tamada need to get kicked out to make room in the .... teams for riders like Edwards and Checa to make room in the good teams for the new kids.
I'm sure that all of the above riders wouldn't appreciate the thinking, but I think that's brilliant logic!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (HiMyNameIsDan @ May 9 2007, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Out;

Hoffman
Barros
Nakano
OJ
Checa
Edwards

In;

JT
Dovi
Lorenzo
Hmm and a couple more i cant think of!

Nakano should get 1 more chance, everything is new for him this year. Like everything. But next year will be his last chance, Honda are always keen to have a Japanese rider on one of their bikes, so he will probably stick around until a better one comes along.

OUT:

Edwards
Roberts
Tamada
Jacque
Hoffman

Checa and Barros maybe although last season Checa was pretty good considering bike he had. And Barros did ok at Turkey so more races like that and there is reason to keep him.

Capirossi will probably retire at the end of the season.

Nakano should go back to Kawasaki coz he was good there.

De Puniet is doing better this year and the only way you can tell how good the rider is doing with the bike he has is by comparing him to his teammate!

The problem is IF all these riders were to go who would there be to replace them:
Toseland
Dovizioso
Lorenzo

Bautista needs more experience in 250s.

Biaggi and Bayliss are two of the best in WSB but did not do it in Moto GP.

Sofouglu and Foret are 2 WSS riders and although WSS is a long way from GP they are two very good riders but the jump is to much, who knows maybe we'll see Sofouglu in GP in the future.

So basically you cant just ditch all these riders without finding better replacements and that is why the likes of Edwards are still there!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 9 2007, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So basically you cant just ditch all these riders without finding better replacements and that is why the likes of Edwards are still there!

Yeah thats true. Although i am not so sure how well Nakano was doing at Kawasaki. Everyone assumed he was doing really well on a .... bike, but the bike doesn't appear bad at all now, and DePuniet is riding it about the place you would expect to find Nakano.

World Supersport is definitely too big of a jump, but with superbike experience maybe Sofuoglu will get here later on.

Waste of fuel:

Edwards
Barros
KRJR
Checa
Hoffman
Tamada


kenny senior needs a two man team, a younger guy, one with little disregard for his body and jnr. jnr can act as the test rider for the weekend, while the other guy races. who the hell would want to ride a roberts bike? experienced riders know that riding anything but a factory bike puts you at a disadvantage. Roberts had trouble with sponsors this year, finishing last isnt going to do them any favors for next years funding.

a dunlop shod yamaha holds little appeal for a decent rider, so its just a grid filler.

the parmac bikes are faster than a lot of people thought and if ducati can keep supporting them for 08 they may attract a decent rider, its a seat i think deangelis would do ok in. he would be the guy that would fill a vacant checa or barros seat. maybe he could get the kawasaki 08 ride.

lorenzo will want a factory ride, the yamaha is the best fit. they get to prepare for rossi leaving, keeping edwards is ridiculous for any future plans.

i wouldnt mind riding one, i'd even pay for the gas