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Jumkie · Apr 23, 2018

Repsol 93 said:
I know that is a .... comment. Both Marquez and Viñales like the track and their opinions about the venue carry just a little more weight than some anonymous, self-anointed internet authority.

To be fair, there are a lot of people who say the track is fine but it produces unexciting racing battles. I think Daniboy well anticipated and covered his opinion about the track being unrelated to Marc making his competitors look like amateurs. May I quote Casey Stoner? Perhaps Marc should slow down, which incidentally hear Mat Mladin say too. Or I suppose I can quote Hack Oxley, it's our fault--we demand Marc not engage in tight racing (haha). Marc said as much in his post race interview, he revised his strategy and checked out, stretched the gap, to make a statement. So if the races get boring, well by Oxley's logic, it's our fault. Frankly, it has some basis because we as a collective audience have enabled Rossi to have such a overwhelming influence on the norms of the sport that a mere racing incident can be the catalyst for "change"; which if you scrutinize it, is NOT a CHANGE to the rules but rather that Race Direction intends to enforce them...NOW. I'm not sure if my friend Daniboy responded, but I quoted the rulebook article used to penalize Marc at Austin and asked if this was a NEW RULE, because it wasn’t enforced last year when Rossi's obvious Machiavellian block of teammate Viñalez who was embarrassing him on the track (had won the first 2 races). But but...Carmelo will respond, don't bring up old .....

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

danski · Apr 23, 2018

Repsol 93 said:
I know that is a .... comment. Both Marquez and Viñales like the track and their opinions about the venue carry just a little more weight than some anonymous, self-anointed internet authority.

Tell you what, when Rossi doesn't win you'll still see me, where are you when Marc doesn't? :lol:

RCV600RR · Apr 23, 2018

McZee said:
Ah, I wasn't aware of that. I hope it's not a case of turn up, discover the tyres can't go full distance on the new surface, then have a race where they have to pit after 10 laps.
I doubt it though.
Does anyone know who has done any pre-season testing at Jerez.

Honda tested.

Iamapony · Apr 23, 2018

Laguna Seca?

Maybe we should start a new thread to talk about Laguna. I am all in, ya' know. My bike trailer is 50 minutes from my house to the Laguna pits.

I might even put some of you a$$-holes up if MotoGP comes back.

It is getting awfully small for the speeds of the modern bikes. Casey even said he never was at full throttle around there. Still a terrifically challenging track, and one everyone should ride, just to understand the blind entry to the corkscrew, and how steep it is through Rainey. Oh and flying over one, which is also blind. Big guts, there, I tell ya' what.
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Recent MotoGP rulings have just given more ammunition to the Rossi conspiracy proponents. Really, they need to stop this stuff with Rossi and get on with the business of a successful racing series. The inconsistency is not helpful. And just confuses and angers people on both sides of the Rossi question.

p4p1 · Apr 23, 2018

Jum, you raise an interesting point about the races getting boring. Let's say for argument Marquez in the next 4 races checks out at the start like he did in Austin but behind him so does Maverick and/or Dovi. Then the two guys fighting for third or fourth refuse to make any risky moves on each other resulting in no last lap battles or no sketchy moments then what happens with these new rules? Once the races become processions because nobody is sure what moves they can or can't make how long until these new enforcements are ...... off?
This of course is worst case scenario but I do believe some riders weren't sure whether to make moves or not during the race out of fear of causing contact.

Keshav · Apr 23, 2018

Repsol 93 said:
I know that is a .... comment. Both Marquez and Viñales like the track and their opinions about the venue carry just a little more weight than some anonymous, self-anointed internet authority.

Mate - it's not a question of anybody here claiming to know more than Marquez (who really should love the track since he's dominated it from the get-go) but rather a question of does the track produce great racing, which is from the spectator's point of view totally subjective.

I totally LOVE Mid-Ohio having raced there because it's a really complicated track to learn and I love the way it flows. Others are free to not like it for whatever reason, such as not enough run-off for MotoGP bikes or insufficient spectator seating. I really love Donnington but apparently my assessment is not shared by Dorna. Whatever. In the event, nobody is attacking the opinions of Marquez or Vinales.

mark419ny · Apr 23, 2018

danski said:
Tell you what, when Rossi doesn't win you'll still see me, where are you when Marc doesn't? :lol:

to be fair rossi never wins (avg 1 race win a year since 2011) so you would never be here. Marc does plenty of winning.

danski · Apr 23, 2018

mark419ny said:
to be fair rossi never wins (avg 1 race win a year since 2011) so you would never be here. Marc does plenty of winning.

Ah but I am here see!
Repsol93 however will only magically appear if his god wins.
That's glory hunting at its best!

JPSLotus · Apr 23, 2018

danski said:
Ah but I am here see!
Repsol93 however will only magically appear if his god wins.
That's glory hunting at its best!

Not really.

Talpa, now long departed left the forum in a rage in 2015 when Rossi didn't win the long awaited 10th title, and has never been heard from again. That's glory hunting; disappearing when your idol chokes harder than a .... star deep throating.

povol · Apr 23, 2018

Jumkie said:
Yes, of course, one can say, 'Rossi has destroyed the sport.' Racing is a thing of the past. Notice that Race Direction had to retroactively 'review' Pol Espargaro's incident to make Marc's penalty a reality. I posted several quotes by riders saying if the changes are going to be made, then it should apply to "everyone" of course they wouldn't say Rossi's name, but it's obvious what they meant. Also, Carmelo specifically demanded the riders "forget about the past" an obvious reference to Sepang 15, which Zarco publicly brought up and the silence to cover the comment is deafening.

The change is absolutely the aftermath of a overreaction to the racing incident involving Rossi, it's the only reason for the demand and accommodation for dramatic change. It's a perversion of decency because if ever change needed to be made and a rider deserve his reputation be tarnish, deserving of a full court press of media prosecution, it was Rossi after his deliberate attack on Marc.

Rossi again weaponized his skewed and lopsided influence upon the organization. Carmelo effectively acted as his sport agent again in the safety commission. Demanding that all the riders forget about Rossi's egregious act at Sepang. Forget about it. The press conference Rossi had at Argentina effectively mobilized the officials to act against the once accepted norms of racing.

Close acing is effectively shelved and will be rarely employed. Afterall, wasn't this Marc's crime that lead to Rossi's attack? Clean hard racing has been redefined thanks to the Rossi-centric perversion of the craft. Notice the recurring lament of "boring racing". Get used to it folks.

'Rossi (and his 'anablers') has ruined the sport.'

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

What Marc said in the presser was a warning of sorts to fans and to Carmelo. What he was saying is, after all this ........ over a racing incident at Argentina and the ........ penalty at COTA, im no longer going to hold back and race, then attack in the end which i prefer, the new strategy will be bolt to a two to three second lead early then manage. i will remove the drama of close racing and you can manage the fans screaming about boring racing. In other words, his ride yesterday was a big .... you to Dorna and the whining twats who were calling for his banishment

synn · Apr 23, 2018

JPSLotus said:
Not really.

Talpa, now long departed left the forum in a rage in 2015 when Rossi didn't win the long awaited 10th title, and has never been heard from again. That's glory hunting; disappearing when your idol chokes harder than a .... star deep throating.

You left this forum saying that you’re done and crawled back in a few weeks later because there’s absolutely nothing left in your life other than ..... here.

That’s not even glory hunting, that’s just plain damn pathetic.

danski · Apr 23, 2018

povol said:
What Marc said in the presser was a warning of sorts to fans and to Carmelo. What he was saying is, after all this ........ over a racing incident at Argentina and the ........ penalty at COTA, im no longer going to hold back and race, then attack in the end which i prefer, the new strategy will be bolt to a two to three second lead early then manage. i will remove the drama of close racing and you can manage the fans screaming about boring racing. In other words, his ride yesterday was a big .... you to Dorna and the whining twats who were calling for his banishment

You guys keep on saying 'A' racing incident and completely forget in your rush to defend him that there were 4.

povol · Apr 23, 2018

danski said:
You guys keep on saying 'A' racing incident and completely forget in your rush to defend him that there were 4.

But the ONE everybody screamed about was the one involving Rossi and that was a racing incident, no worse than the one involving Zarco and Dani. Someone in the safety meeting suggested that if you make contact with another rider and he goes down you’re blackflagged. Carmelo was smart enough to see through that as someone like Rossi who is not a contender could settle old scores by getting bumped then ride off track and fall over.

JPSLotus · Apr 23, 2018

danski said:
You guys keep on saying 'A' racing incident and completely forget in your rush to defend him that there were 4.

In your rush to point out 4, you ignore the rest of the goings-on of the race regarding contact.

Keshav · Apr 23, 2018

JPSLotus said:
In your rush to point out 4, you ignore the rest of the goings-on of the race regarding contact.

It's cherry pickin' season again.

JPSLotus · Apr 23, 2018

Keshav said:
It's cherry pickin' season again.

Never expect any less with Daniboy on some things.

Gaz · Apr 23, 2018

Arrabbiata1 said:
Would or could?

Barber or Road America would be excellent and although joking yesterday, I actually liked Miller.

Forgot to mention in the previous post, I'd love to see GP go to Brands instead of Silverstone. Wonderful circuit.

Both really.

A circuit that could be homologated easily (minimal cost for changes) or tone that would without changes

just interested

JPSLotus · Apr 23, 2018

Gaz said:
Both really.

A circuit that could be homologated easily (minimal cost for changes) or tone that would without changes

just interested

Road America has a couple of problematic corners that would not meet MotoGP standards. Or even FIA grade 1 standards for that matter. They would need to add far more runoff in those spots otherwise you'd have a racer killed if they went down at the speeds coming into the corners.

Watkins Glen would actually be doable. Biggest issue is coming out of the uphill esses, if you .... up the esses you can easily wind up head on into the armco barriers ala Francois Cevert in '73. Lots of elevation changes and sweeping corners. Great atmosphere up there for motor racing.

But either track in spite of certain shortcomings regarding safety, is better than COTA, which is a Tilkedrome circuit. It's utter .... with a lot of it being a one line circuit that produces only a couple of corners to overtake. I wish a meteor would hit the circuit.

pyeman · Apr 23, 2018

JPSLotus said:
Not really.

Talpa, now long departed left the forum in a rage in 2015 when Rossi didn't win the long awaited 10th title, and has never been heard from again. That's glory hunting; disappearing when your idol chokes harder than a .... star deep throating.

Are you sure he didn't resurface as synn??

Geonerd · Apr 23, 2018

#22 said:
Picture doesn't show it well, but Miller lunged (and admits he did). If Lorenzo hadn't have stood the bike up, there would have been a crash. Miller was not penalised or given a warning when he himself admits he made a mistake and only Lorenzo taking avoiding action caused a crash. So are they now saying you can do what you like, as long as you don't cause a rider to crash?

Let's see if YT gives me a copyright ticket for this...

And, of course!, the BT

oop:heads have to bash Lorenzo whenever possible...

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