Red Bull Grand Prix of the America

pyeman said:

Are you sure he didn't resurface as synn??

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I have been pondering this. The abnormal amount of vitriol he spews made me think of Talpa early on as is his being a ........ bopper.

Geonerd said:

Let's see if YT gives me a copyright ticket for this...



And, of course!, the BT oop:heads have to bash Lorenzo whenever possible...

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I didn't think there was anything wrong with that move when i watched it live and i still don't watching it now,it's going to get awfully boring to watch if everybody is scared to overtake from now on, Lorenzo was slow and wide so what's Miller to do? say after you Jorge old chap?,i only hope that because of Rossi's whining about being served his own medicine the sport doesn't become a boring procession again,let's face it,from a watchers perspective Argentina was bloody exciting and Austin was not..

Geonerd said:

Let's see if YT gives me a copyright ticket for this...



And, of course!, the BT oop:heads have to bash Lorenzo whenever possible...

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Thanks for posting.

So how is this:


Any different from this:



Is it

1. The outside rider stood up in one, and not the other?
2. The outside rider in one is Rossi, and not the other?

JPSLotus said:

I have been pondering this. The abnormal amount of vitriol he spews made me think of Talpa early on as is his being a ........ bopper.

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I never really reacted much at all with him - and while he was angry (but aren't they all?) I don't recall his insults being so ugly. Synn appears to be totally lacking in humanity or sense of perspective. He seems incapable of returning a light jibe with anything other than spoiled angry baby meltdowns; trying to shock the adults, smells like roid rage.

Keshav said:

I never really reacted much at all with him - and while he was angry (but aren't they all?) I don't recall his insults being so ugly. Synn appears to be totally lacking in humanity or sense of perspective. He seems incapable of returning a light jibe with anything other than spoiled angry baby meltdowns; trying to shock the adults, smells like roid rage.

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Jascat was fairly adept at the baby meltdowns what about him?

BarryMachine said:

Jascat was fairly adept at the baby meltdowns what about him?

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He still pops up once in a blue moon to rage about whatever psychosis has taken over his mind.

Keshav said:

It's cherry pickin' season again.

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Indeed. Which is why JP ........ conveniently ignored the part where he gets owned for quitting and crawling back.

You two are definitely birds of the same feather.

Keshav said:

I never really reacted much at all with him - and while he was angry (but aren't they all?) I don't recall his insults being so ugly. Synn appears to be totally lacking in humanity or sense of perspective. He seems incapable of returning a light jibe with anything other than spoiled angry baby meltdowns; trying to shock the adults, smells like roid rage.

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Why would I show any humanity to subhumans?

pyeman said:

Are you sure he didn't resurface as synn??

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Talpa is not Synn.

Talpa, as much as he and I had numerous arguments/discussion over the years has a totally different style but above all, left the forum after copping a level of 'abuse' (will not go further as I did see it) ............ not because VR did not get his tenth as some have suggested.

#22 said:

Thanks for posting.

So how is this:


Any different from this:



Is it

1. The outside rider stood up in one, and not the other?
2. The outside rider in one is Rossi, and not the other?

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Two totally separate incidents.

MM was hot, he was headed to the side of the track (but would have been able to stop) and simply stuffed the bike there. Said at the time, Rossi would not have known that MM was there as MM came from a long way back in both terms of being so much faster per lap but also distance and in fairness VR was not battling with MM at that time.

JL is a sook if he is carrying on about that move from Jack (IMO) as he was in somewhat of a battle pack with riders around and (again IMO) he had taken a wider line. Jack made the corner easily and did not push JL wide as he did not have to do so due to his entry speed. Yes he apparently went to apologise but IMO, he had nothing to apologise for short of it being another Ducati and a 'team feel'.

Gaz said:

Talpa is not Synn.

Talpa, as much as he and I had numerous arguments/discussion over the years has a totally different style but above all, left the forum after copping a level of 'abuse' (will not go further as I did see it) ............ not because VR did not get his tenth as some have suggested.

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There's too much abuse of people on here when there is a difference of opinion.
When it causes people to leave then it's gone too far.

danski said:

There's too much abuse of people on here when there is a difference of opinion.
When it causes people to leave then it's gone too far.

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Unfortunately it is the way of the internet ............

What I always find interesting and causes me to snigger is that we often see/read/hear of the vilification of riders or athletes that has occurred over the internet resource and how unjust it is, only for us to do the same to those that disagree.

The ones crying loudest that I am hurting their precious feelings are the same ones that hurled abuse after abuse at a newbie (Albert Tatlock) right after he signed up, because he didn’t conform to the herd mentality. Abusive enough that he is probably gone for good.

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synn said:

The ones crying loudest that I am hurting their precious feelings are the same ones that hurled abuse after abuse at a newbie (Albert Tatlock) right after he signed up, because he didn’t conform to the herd mentality. Abusive enough that he is probably gone for good.

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You flatter yourself. Your constant argumentum ad hominem is an offence against logic, the personal insults per se are laughably inept.

Albert was a good poster, I hope he is not gone. As I recall he was having trouble with the mechanics of the site/his posts remaining in limbo for extended periods.

Apparently Cal isn't a 6th place rider anymore ...

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/crutchlow-austin-crash-not-sixth-place-rider-1029288/

"I'm not saying I don't want to be championship leader, but in a way maybe it's better not to be, because then you can focus on being on the podium week in, week out, which I think we can be, instead of focusing on what the team wants, to finish fifth or sixth, to rack up points".

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Gaz said:

Two totally separate incidents.

MM was hot, he was headed to the side of the track (but would have been able to stop) and simply stuffed the bike there. Said at the time, Rossi would not have known that MM was there as MM came from a long way back in both terms of being so much faster per lap but also distance and in fairness VR was not battling with MM at that time.

JL is a sook if he is carrying on about that move from Jack (IMO) as he was in somewhat of a battle pack with riders around and (again IMO) he had taken a wider line. Jack made the corner easily and did not push JL wide as he did not have to do so due to his entry speed. Yes he apparently went to apologise but IMO, he had nothing to apologise for short of it being another Ducati and a 'team feel'.

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Of course they are separate incidents. Every single incident is a separate incident. However, my point was that Miller admits he stuffed it up the inside and was reliant on Lorenzo standing the bike up to avoid an accident. The reason Marquez ran wide is because he and Rossi touched. Had Rossi stood his bike up like Lorenzo did, these two incidents would have most likely been identical in their outcome.

I know Lorenzo has the reputation of a sulker, but it again boils down to consistency in application of the rules.

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Of course they are separate incidents. Every single incident is a separate incident. However, my point was that Miller admits he stuffed it up the inside and was reliant on Lorenzo standing the bike up to avoid an accident. The reason Marquez ran wide is because he and Rossi touched. Had Rossi stood his bike up like Lorenzo did, these two incidents would have most likely been identical in their outcome.

I know Lorenzo has the reputation of a sulker, but it again boils down to consistency in application of the rules.

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Totally understood what you were saying and perhaps did not explain well but for mine they are significantly different incidents thus any difference in penalty applied or not applied is (for me) quite clear to see.

Now this is not to say that I feel MM should have received any penalty for the VR incident (sorry VR fans) as there are some extreme extenuating circumstances involved in the speed differential (lap, not speed into corner) which simply meant (as I said at the time), that VR was not aware nor expecting a rider to be there. IMO only here but MM was not penalised for shoving it up the inside of the corner but for VR falling which in itself, and if I am right is a bigger issue - do you punish based on action or result - and I always say punish based on action.

I have no real issue with MM being penalised for the Espargaro incident - but do wonder if a redress was correct or fair - suspect that a time penalty would have been a better punishment as it allows all riders involved to continue racing.

As for Lorenzo, let us also not forget that he and Jack have history and are not near best friends - remember JL's comments after Jack's LeMans crash last year?

I should also add that I do not see any cause for attitude from JL with Jack's incident but suspect (as I did see reported somewhere) they he needs someone/something to blame at the moment as he is not in a happy place which, being fair is understandable given that he is not getting the results he wants or his talent deserves. Frustration causes all manner of actions.

As for Jack's admission and subsequent attempted apology, I see it much like Stoner when he overtook JL around the outside at Laguna. he felt that he had gotten a little close and cramped JL where 95% of others did not see it ..........

Now I totally agree with consistency but the issue with all race type of adjudications is that all race incidents are a judgement type of call and thus a lot of factors (perceived and real, deliberate and subconsciously) come into any resulting penalty.

synn said:

The ones crying loudest that I am hurting their precious feelings are the same ones that hurled abuse after abuse at a newbie (Albert Tatlock) right after he signed up, because he didn’t conform to the herd mentality. Abusive enough that he is probably gone for good.

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Maybe he didnt like your racist crap.

Gaz said:

Totally understood what you were saying and perhaps did not explain well but for mine they are significantly different incidents thus any difference in penalty applied or not applied is (for me) quite clear to see.

Now this is not to say that I feel MM should have received any penalty for the VR incident (sorry VR fans) as there are some extreme extenuating circumstances involved in the speed differential (lap, not speed into corner) which simply meant (as I said at the time), that VR was not aware nor expecting a rider to be there. IMO only here but MM was not penalised for shoving it up the inside of the corner but for VR falling which in itself, and if I am right is a bigger issue - do you punish based on action or result - and I always say punish based on action.

I have no real issue with MM being penalised for the Espargaro incident - but do wonder if a redress was correct or fair - suspect that a time penalty would have been a better punishment as it allows all riders involved to continue racing.

As for Lorenzo, let us also not forget that he and Jack have history and are not near best friends - remember JL's comments after Jack's LeMans crash last year?

I should also add that I do not see any cause for attitude from JL with Jack's incident but suspect (as I did see reported somewhere) they he needs someone/something to blame at the moment as he is not in a happy place which, being fair is understandable given that he is not getting the results he wants or his talent deserves. Frustration causes all manner of actions.

As for Jack's admission and subsequent attempted apology, I see it much like Stoner when he overtook JL around the outside at Laguna. he felt that he had gotten a little close and cramped JL where 95% of others did not see it ..........

Now I totally agree with consistency but the issue with all race type of adjudications is that all race incidents are a judgement type of call and thus a lot of factors (perceived and real, deliberate and subconsciously) come into any resulting penalty.

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Totally agree, thanks for clarifying. I think what I bolded is the key issue. It seems at the moment riders get punished on result and not action. As JL said, if he hadn't have stood up they would most likely have crashed, and then would Miller have been punished?