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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Apr 13 2009, 04:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>stupid, what about spectators flying in on sunday to watch the race, booked hotels? the race was already run on saturday. not to mention the tv...
I may well be wrong on this issue, and gaz and others have made good points. Being awake at 4am may have contributed to my attitude. I was perfectly happy when they had it as a day race, but then I don't live in europe.
 
Does anyone have any idea if the race will be shown live on BBC in the UK? I can't see any listings for it at the moment.

Cheers
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#22 @ Apr 13 2009, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Does anyone have any idea if the race will be shown live on BBC in the UK? I can't see any listings for it at the moment.

Cheers

Accoring the BBC news this morning it will be on the red button interactive TV this evening and live online (for those in the UK)....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Apr 13 2009, 12:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm blaming dorna. It rained yesterday and today, so it's obviously the wettest time of the year.
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The fact is, if they had a day race, they could ride in the wet. The whole night race thing is a waste of time. What benefits does it have? I can't see any. Especially when I have have to get up so early to see a cancelled race.
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Apparently the sheiks (or whoever run this race) pay double the amount to have it as it's the first race of the year. More money grabbing from dorna at a time they know isn't optimal.
.... DORNA! They suck - little bernie ....... wanna be's, ruining the sport.

By the commentators comments it sounds like it's the least likely season for rain there. The reason they don't hold it in the day is the heat. This time of year the temperature is perfect for racing in the night so if there ever was going to be a night race this is definatly the place to do it. Pretty much optimal time for racing. In the long run we would probably be better off replacing the british, dutch early spanish, and late australian rounds. Much higher risk of unraceable conditions there.

If it was a similar rain in the day the race would still have to be delayed for hours due to the rain as this was a rain storm as bad as any we've seen, including the shortened round in USA.
 
on FREEVIEW BBC channel 301 it says on screen motogp race abandoned re-run 18.45pm

so hopefully they showing it on there which will be sky/virgin cable etc red button too
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Apr 13 2009, 06:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>All good points, and I guess motorsport and other sporting events are cancelled all the time due to adverse weather, and as you with your race steward experience are saying rider safety should always be paramount; I seem to remember the F1 australian grand prix being cancelled or severely curtailed when it was in Adelaide.

What is annoying me is that they have apparently picked the one time of year when rain is somewhat likely for the double fee it attracts, which I would see as not atypical of their general approach.

That's true. If this is the "rainy" season and that create a real risk for rain a contingency plan should have been there. Otherwise it's just one of those freak accidents you typically don't have a plan for.
Winter sports have this problem all the time. Canceling and moving events happens all the time and not allways according to a plan.
 
It is well known that in hot countries, when it rains it happens mainly during the evening and night... So the decision to race at night increases the probability, especially if it is the 'rainy' season. I personally agree with Rossi on this one--much better to race during the day, also in Qatar.
 
Europsort have 'Moto GP' listed @ 22:00 for 90 mins so I hope that's a suitable slot to squeeze the race in
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Apr 13 2009, 09:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When it comes to the discussion about whether a monday race is a good idea, I have to side with somedamnwriter. I think that one important reason why they made the decision to run on monday was also because the weather forecasts are much, much better. Also, as they are planning to run it 21.00 local time, even if it did rain, they now have a little bit more time and flexibility for the start (up to 2 hours I'd say).

I do admit that the weather forecasters of today seem a lot more accurate of those gone by.







<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Apr 13 2009, 09:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So all in all, the monday race definitely sounds like a good idea to me. And Valentino Rossi agrees with me so I'm right and you're wrong Gaz! Sorry!

Ya damn follower.

Come on, be brave, think different
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Gaz
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 13 2009, 09:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>By the commentators comments it sounds like it's the least likely season for rain there. The reason they don't hold it in the day is the heat. This time of year the temperature is perfect for racing in the night so if there ever was going to be a night race this is definatly the place to do it. Pretty much optimal time for racing. In the long run we would probably be better off replacing the british, dutch early spanish, and late australian rounds. Much higher risk of unraceable conditions there.

If it was a similar rain in the day the race would still have to be delayed for hours due to the rain as this was a rain storm as bad as any we've seen, including the shortened round in USA.

Actually Feb, March, April, Nov and December are the months most prone to rain, but admittedly this is trivial (peaking at about 20mm). That said, one practice session for WSB two years ago here was affected by rain, but that was in February I suppose. The point I made twice last night has been raised again - simply that this race could have ben run in October, at night when there is quite literally ZERO chance of rain. The risk of it raining in April is I concede negligible, but it is still there, and I say again, the race was switched from October due to financial benefit as opposed to concerns over high track temperature.

Yes the track temperature was excessively high when it was run in October, but the night race last year by contrast, was the coolest track temperature of any race in the entire year, which in itself caused massive problems. As usual with Dorna, there is no measured response, seemingly no feasibility study, as ever, we are hurled from one extreme to the other. Last year, by the time the riders were racing (eleven at night), the track temperature had plummeted rendering the data gleaned from practice superfluous and buggering most teams set up. Your man Vale himself commented how hard it was to get heat into his 'stones (on an M1 still craving it's Michelins) and voiced disapproval of a night race at that time of year.

Your earlier point that irrespective of the lights, this wouldn't have run during the day in such a downpour is fair enough...but it didn't rain like that during the day yesterday - it would have also meant that had this happened in the afternoon there would have been time for a delayed slot later in the day.

Last year, the opening round of BSB at Brands was cancelled due to freak weather - very heavy snow in late March. This was completely unforseen, and no amount of pre-planning cold have saved the event. Heavy snow in Kent at that time of the year is virtually unheard of. Similarly, rain in the desert sounds just as unlikey...but when you choose to stage an event at night which is DEPENDENT upon dry weather, then the possibility of rain, no matter how remote should be considered.

No one is blaming Dorna for the fact that it rained. Where they are culpable as usual, is their consistent lack of vision and foresight, and as usual, the absence of any contingency plan.
 
This is all very confusing ive just looked on the mtogp website and it states

"The warm-up will run at 6.30pm local time (GMT+3), with the race scheduled to start at 9pm."

Eurosport2UK are showing at 17:15 - 18:45 hrs (Coverage from the opening round of the 2009 motogp) ?

and then

EurosoprtUK are showing at 22:00 - 23:30 hrs (Coverage from the opening round of the 2009 motogp) ?

Please excuse me for being a bit thick but does that mean they are showing an hour of practice and then the actual race between 22:00 and 23:30 ?

"The warm-up will run at 6.30pm local time (GMT+3), with the race scheduled to start at 9pm."
That would make London time 21:30 and the race schedule 00:00 midnight wouldn't it ?

Im confused help !!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (trouty65 @ Apr 13 2009, 11:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is all very confusing ive just looked on the mtogp website and it states

"The warm-up will run at 6.30pm local time (GMT+3), with the race scheduled to start at 9pm."

Eurosport2UK are showing at 17:15 - 18:45 hrs (Coverage from the opening round of the 2009 motogp) ?

and then

EurosoprtUK are showing at 22:00 - 23:30 hrs (Coverage from the opening round of the 2009 motogp) ?

Please excuse me for being a bit thick but does that mean they are showing an hour of practice and then the actual race between 22:00 and 23:30 ?

"The warm-up will run at 6.30pm local time (GMT+3), with the race scheduled to start at 9pm."
That would make London time 21:30 and the race schedule 00:00 midnight wouldn't it ?

Im confused help !!
I would speculate, and this is only a guess, that the times that you are looking at have not been updated and refer to the intended re-run of yesterday's proceedings. All these slots will now be subject to revision, but they don't immediately show up on the now outdated viewing guides.

Can I suggest that you tune into BSB coverage on Eurosport which is due to start at 12.30 where they will provide all the information you need. Looking at Eurosport now, it say's in the bottom corner of the screen - Moto GP - Tonight 6.45 p.m. As I say, have a look at 12.30, I'm sure Tony Carter will elaborate further.
 
I too was sat up in a local bar till 04.30, ended up watching the US Masters. Never liked Qatar for some reason. Bring back Turkey!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 13 2009, 12:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would speculate, and this is only a guess, that the times that you are looking at have not been updated and refer to the intended re-run of yesterday's proceedings. All these slots will now be subject to revision, but they don't immediately show up on the now outdated viewing guides.

Can I suggest that you tune into BSB coverage on Eurosport which is due to start at 12.30 where they will provide all the information you need. Looking at Eurosport now, it say's in the bottom corner of the screen - Moto GP - Tonight 6.45 p.m. As I say, have a look at 12.30, I'm sure Tony Carter will elaborate further.

Add to this that the Eurosport schedules are notoriously faulty. It might not be the same problem in UK but ES Nordic seldom has a single day of ES2 right.
 
Eurosport offered live rights for tonights race a 1 off

posted 50 Minutes Ago

Hi,

Sorry not to have got back to you sooner, a huge number of things to sort and the tiny team we have on site in Qatar means I am trying to sort it all.

Tonight's race is live on the red button and website. I am sorry but we just couldn't get a network slot at this time but I am chasing to get a repeat on BBC2 but being a Bank Holiday and the phones are playing up in Qatar I don't have any news on that right now but I'll get back to you as soon as possible.

We have also offered, on a one off basis, live rights for this race to Eurosport so that as many people as possible will be able to watch it. None of this is ideal I know but we are doing our best in a difficult situation.

Regards,

Belinda Moore
Series Producer

BBC


EDIT WHY THE FOOK DID DORNA FOOK ABOUT WITH EUROSPORTS MOTOGP COVERAGE.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Apr 13 2009, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Eurosport offered live rights for tonights race a 1 off


EDIT WHY THE FOOK DID DORNA FOOK ABOUT WITH EUROSPORTS MOTOGP COVERAGE.

Goatboy would be only to happy to explain it all.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 13 2009, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Actually Feb, March, April, Nov and December are the months most prone to rain, but admittedly this is trivial (peaking at about 20mm). That said, one practice session for WSB two years ago here was affected by rain, but that was in February I suppose. The point I made twice last night has been raised again - simply that this race could have ben run in October, at night when there is quite literally ZERO chance of rain. The risk of it raining in April is I concede negligible, but it is still there, and I say again, the race was switched from October due to financial benefit as opposed to concerns over high track temperature.

Yes the track temperature was excessively high when it was run in October, but the night race last year by contrast, was the coolest track temperature of any race in the entire year, which in itself caused massive problems. As usual with Dorna, there is no measured response, seemingly no feasibility study, as ever, we are hurled from one extreme to the other. Last year, by the time the riders were racing (eleven at night), the track temperature had plummeted rendering the data gleaned from practice superfluous and buggering most teams set up. Your man Vale himself commented how hard it was to get heat into his 'stones (on an M1 still craving it's Michelins) and voiced disapproval of a night race at that time of year.

Your earlier point that irrespective of the lights, this wouldn't have run during the day in such a downpour is fair enough...but it didn't rain like that during the day yesterday - it would have also meant that had this happened in the afternoon there would have been time for a delayed slot later in the day.

Last year, the opening round of BSB at Brands was cancelled due to freak weather - very heavy snow in late March. This was completely unforseen, and no amount of pre-planning cold have saved the event. Heavy snow in Kent at that time of the year is virtually unheard of. Similarly, rain in the desert sounds just as unlikey...but when you choose to stage an event at night which is DEPENDENT upon dry weather, then the possibility of rain, no matter how remote should be considered.

No one is blaming Dorna for the fact that it rained. Where they are culpable as usual, is their consistent lack of vision and foresight, and as usual, the absence of any contingency plan.


Excellent post as ever. Sums up what I was gonna say.

Pete
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 13 2009, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Actually Feb, March, April, Nov and December are the months most prone to rain, but admittedly this is trivial (peaking at about 20mm). That said, one practice session for WSB two years ago here was affected by rain, but that was in February I suppose. The point I made twice last night has been raised again - simply that this race could have ben run in October, at night when there is quite literally ZERO chance of rain. The risk of it raining in April is I concede negligible, but it is still there, and I say again, the race was switched from October due to financial benefit as opposed to concerns over high track temperature.

Yes the track temperature was excessively high when it was run in October, but the night race last year by contrast, was the coolest track temperature of any race in the entire year, which in itself caused massive problems. As usual with Dorna, there is no measured response, seemingly no feasibility study, as ever, we are hurled from one extreme to the other. Last year, by the time the riders were racing (eleven at night), the track temperature had plummeted rendering the data gleaned from practice superfluous and buggering most teams set up. Your man Vale himself commented how hard it was to get heat into his 'stones (on an M1 still craving it's Michelins) and voiced disapproval of a night race at that time of year.

Your earlier point that irrespective of the lights, this wouldn't have run during the day in such a downpour is fair enough...but it didn't rain like that during the day yesterday - it would have also meant that had this happened in the afternoon there would have been time for a delayed slot later in the day.

Last year, the opening round of BSB at Brands was cancelled due to freak weather - very heavy snow in late March. This was completely unforseen, and no amount of pre-planning cold have saved the event. Heavy snow in Kent at that time of the year is virtually unheard of. Similarly, rain in the desert sounds just as unlikey...but when you choose to stage an event at night which is DEPENDENT upon dry weather, then the possibility of rain, no matter how remote should be considered.

No one is blaming Dorna for the fact that it rained. Where they are culpable as usual, is their consistent lack of vision and foresight, and as usual, the absence of any contingency plan.

This is of course wrong. For such an event you don't make full backup plans for anythningt hat is a very remote possibility. That said I'm open for the possibility that rain were not such a remote possibilty and that Dorna indeed should have made changes in the arrangement for that possibility.
But honestly, everybody in the paddoc seemed very surpriced and I've heard no critics against Dorna by other people than those that allready hate Dorna for whatever reason. With all the delays yesterday whe heard about 50? comments from the pitlane and none critisized Dorna, so to me this looks like just another bunch of bandwagon jumpers that just love to blame Dorna for everything, including the economical crisis and rain in the desert.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (trouty65 @ Apr 13 2009, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is all very confusing ive just looked on the mtogp website and it states

"The warm-up will run at 6.30pm local time (GMT+3), with the race scheduled to start at 9pm."

Eurosport2UK are showing at 17:15 - 18:45 hrs (Coverage from the opening round of the 2009 motogp) ?

and then

EurosoprtUK are showing at 22:00 - 23:30 hrs (Coverage from the opening round of the 2009 motogp) ?

Please excuse me for being a bit thick but does that mean they are showing an hour of practice and then the actual race between 22:00 and 23:30 ?

"The warm-up will run at 6.30pm local time (GMT+3), with the race scheduled to start at 9pm."
That would make London time 21:30 and the race schedule 00:00 midnight wouldn't it ?

Im confused help !!
It could be that they haven't changed the tabloids yet.I think the schedule for you(Londontime) is 1 hour before CET which means 2hours before local time in Quatar.So,warm up at 16.30 and racestart 19.00.
 

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