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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Apr 13 2009, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Exactly.
Because if they night at Qatar, than the race will be broadcast afternoon (?) live in Europe. In another word, more audience. Sadly, the move to the night race itself makes Asian's audience extremely tired. If the race is on time, then MotOGp is start about 3:30 AM here.


Ditto for Oz - getting up at 3am to watch a race is hardly awe inspiring

http://www.crash.net/motogp/News/145270/1/...ogp_re-run.html

Rossi backs Monday MotoGP re-run

Reigning six-time MotoGP world champion Valentino Rossi has backed the decision to re-run the cancelled Qatar Grand Prix on Monday night.

Sunday's night planned start to the 2009 MotoGP season had to be cancelled due to heavy rain.

“This is a real disappointment because we were fired up to race and it was so close to the start!” said Rossi, who was already lined up alongside pole sitter Casey Stoner when the rain began falling. “After the rain stopped the [earlier] 125 race we thought we had escaped because the track then dried but then the rain came down even harder just in time for MotoGP. It's so unlucky because you don't expect this in the desert.”

Rossi believes that after so much effort and preparation it is better to have a Monday re-run than walk away having done nothing.

“After six months without racing and after two days of practice and so much work by everyone it's very frustrating and this is why it was important to take the decision to race tomorrow,” he explained.

“It will be strange because I don't think there's ever been a Monday race! It will also be hard to wait another day, and the pressure will be more, but I am happy that we will get the chance to ride.

“Of course now we have to keep our fingers crossed for the weather tomorrow, but the forecast says it will be ok! The other important thing is that something is done to clean the track, because it will be very dirty after this. Maybe we should all have a race with the hire cars in the morning!” he joked.

Fiat Yamaha team-mate Jorge Lorenzo, who will complete Monday's front row, was also in favour.

“I am happy with the decision to race tomorrow because I really want to ride,,” said the young Spaniard, second in last season's inaugural night race. “For us it's not such a big problem to delay, and it's better than wasting a whole weekend's work. I am disappointed because I was ready, but we cannot help the weather and unfortunately here it's impossible to ride in the rain. It would have been a great pity not to have a race, so now we just need to stay focused.”

“After considerable internal discussion with Masahiko Nakajima, Davide Brivio, Daniele Romagnoli and of course Valentino and Jorge, Fiat Yamaha's decision was to fully support the proposal to race tomorrow,” confirmed Yamaha Motor Racing managing director Lin Jarvis. “We have put in so much effort, with a test here first and then these five days of work, that we feel it's important to stay and put on a race and a show.

“Obviously it causes great inconvenience for everyone from a logistical point of view because we have to change flights and hotels for all of our staff, but we are ready to do it for the good of our sport.”

The decision to hold a Monday re-run was 'accepted by a large majority'.

The race will now be run at 9pm local time on Monday night, with a warm-up at 6.30pm.



...Whaaa...is that 1 AM in Indonesia????



NO RAIN PLEASE????

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shamandalie @ Apr 12 2009, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
wow

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 13 2009, 01:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I just became a Stoner fan.


wouldnt any teammate do the same ? edwards and pedro excluded

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 12 2009, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I just became a Stoner fan.
...... Bandwagon Jumper

I just watched the rerun of last years race on Speeds time slot and it made no mention of the race being shown tomorrow night.All it said was go to Speed for information on tomorrows scheduled race time and it didnt mention that they would be showing it.

Hô hô #46
I think that you are at GMT+7, like me. Where are u from. I'm from Vietnam.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Apr 12 2009, 08:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%....!!!

<span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%WELL DONE DORNA!!!




It's almost 4 AM here, I haven't slept all night, waiting for the race......

and I've got nothing!!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Apr 12 2009, 11:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm blaming dorna. It rained yesterday and today, so it's obviously the wettest time of the year.
The fact is, if they had a day race, they could ride in the wet. The whole night race thing is a waste of time. What benefits does it have? I can't see any. Especially when I have have to get up so early to see a cancelled race.
Apparently the sheiks (or whoever run this race) pay double the amount to have it as it's the first race of the year. More money grabbing from dorna at a time they know isn't optimal.
.... DORNA! They suck - little bernie ....... wanna be's, ruining the sport.
I agree with you. Whilst dorna obviously cannot be blamed for it raining on any given occasion, they can be blamed for again not having considered all the implications of another one of their attempts to "improve" the sport.

If you are going to have a night race (which cannot be run in the wet), leaving aside whether night racing is a good idea in the first place, holding it in a desert would seem a reasonable way to go. However, if you then choose for financial reasons to hold it at the one time of year when it does sometimes rain just hoping it won't rain doesn't strike me as the best business plan. It has been said all week that there was a strong possibilty of rain yet they were scrambling around yesterday, running 3 lap 125cc races, trying to make last minute deals with the teams to reschedule the race etc. Surely they could have devised a contingency plan when they first decided to have the night race such as running it saturday night with a sunday day race as the back-up or having an established plan for a monday race as back-up. If the economics of having an established contingency plan don't stack up then having the race at night at the wrong time of year is not financially viable despite the double fee it attracts. Sounds to me to some degree a microcosm of the current global financial situation where many have also seemed to make the assumption that there would never be a rainy day .

What is their plan for wet races in general when the one-bike rule comes in anyway? If they have one it hasn't been published to my knowledge.

Well I doubt my view on the delay will be popular but I don't see why we even need to have the race run on a Monday given that it is not a decider such as a grand final/final etc. To me it is but one race of a series amd for whatever reason it was unable to be held on the scheduled date and therefore should be just wiped from the calendarfor this season.

Yes I fully recognise that people have paid money to attend and/or watch but the risk with all sports is that something may occur which means that you do not get what you paid for.

Additionally by rescheduling the race we now have pure uncharted territory in terms of tyres, conditions etc which really have opened up a bit of a lottery (potentially) in terms of what to expect from the reiders and equipment.

The precedent is also interesting in that what happens if it rains again tonight?

What happens if it rains so heavily on a day race that it becomes unsafe to race, will that be rescheduled?

IMO, this is more about the might $ than anything else and I fully expect that teh Prince who supports this race will be footing all bills associated for the teams to remain for the extra time necessary.


As for the contingency discussion, do we need to have contingency and if so what contingency?

Should all races shceduled for a season be run regardless of whether thay can be run on the scheduled date?

If so, why are we not looking at alternatives for Hungary?







Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Apr 13 2009, 03:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well I doubt my view on the delay will be popular but I don't see why we even need to have the race run on a Monday given that it is not a decider such as a grand final/final etc. To me it is but one race of a series amd for whatever reason it was unable to be held on the scheduled date and therefore should be just wiped from the calendarfor this season.

Yes I fully recognise that people have paid money to attend and/or watch but the risk with all sports is that something may occur which means that you do not get what you paid for.

Additionally by rescheduling the race we now have pure uncharted territory in terms of tyres, conditions etc which really have opened up a bit of a lottery (potentially) in terms of what to expect from the reiders and equipment.

The precedent is also interesting in that what happens if it rains again tonight?

What happens if it rains so heavily on a day race that it becomes unsafe to race, will that be rescheduled?

IMO, this is more about the might $ than anything else and I fully expect that teh Prince who supports this race will be footing all bills associated for the teams to remain for the extra time necessary.


As for the contingency discussion, do we need to have contingency and if so what contingency?

Should all races shceduled for a season be run regardless of whether thay can be run on the scheduled date?

If so, why are we not looking at alternatives for Hungary?







Garry

All good points, and I guess motorsport and other sporting events are cancelled all the time due to adverse weather, and as you with your race steward experience are saying rider safety should always be paramount; I seem to remember the F1 australian grand prix being cancelled or severely curtailed when it was in Adelaide.

What is annoying me is that they have apparently picked the one time of year when rain is somewhat likely for the double fee it attracts, which I would see as not atypical of their general approach.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Apr 13 2009, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree with you. Whilst dorna obviously cannot be blamed for it raining on any given occasion, they can be blamed for again not having considered all the implications of another one of their attempts to "improve" the sport.

If you are going to have a night race (which cannot be run in the wet), leaving aside whether night racing is a good idea in the first place, holding it in a desert would seem a reasonable way to go. However, if you then choose for financial reasons to hold it at the one time of year when it does sometimes rain just hoping it won't rain doesn't strike me as the best business plan. It has been said all week that there was a strong possibilty of rain yet they were scrambling around yesterday, running 3 lap 125cc races, trying to make last minute deals with the teams to reschedule the race etc. Surely they could have devised a contingency plan when they first decided to have the night race such as running it saturday night with a sunday day race as the back-up or having an established plan for a monday race as back-up. If the economics of having an established contingency plan don't stack up then having the race at night at the wrong time of year is not financially viable despite the double fee it attracts. Sounds to me to some degree a microcosm of the current global financial situation where many have also seemed to make the assumption that there would never be a rainy day .

What is their plan for wet races in general when the one-bike rule comes in anyway? If they have one it hasn't been published to my knowledge.

stupid, what about spectators flying in on sunday to watch the race, booked hotels? the race was already run on saturday. not to mention the tv...

when do you say to have the race on the saturday? a week before? on the friday?

weather is weather, .... happens get a tissue

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Apr 12 2009, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi backs Monday MotoGP re-run

Reigning six-time MotoGP world champion Valentino Rossi has backed the decision to re-run the cancelled Qatar Grand Prix on Monday night.
I think this is all it took to have the race on Monday.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Apr 12 2009, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As for the contingency discussion, do we need to have contingency and if so what contingency?
The answer is yes. But I'm surprised at the question my friend.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 13 2009, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think this is all it took to have the race on Monday.

Well Jumkie my friend, watch what you ask for because you may get it… you were asking for a Monday Race… now that Rossi helped you getting it, you should be happy and thankful to him as a Genius and a MotoGP God!

Just joking hermano! A least we will get to see a race (Stupid Dornka ).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 13 2009, 05:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The answer is yes. But I'm surprised at the question my friend.


I wouldn't be so surprised by the question as I genuinely mean it.

If the answer is to be yes, for what circumstances do we need contingency. Is contingency only required for races cancelled by weather and should the contingency only apply to MotoGP or all classes?

Should we have contingenvy for situations such as Hungary where the track readiness is/was an issue (my personal view is a race should not be awarded to a track that is not completed).


IMO, given that MotoGP is a series I would be happy to say that we simply move on to Motegi as no rider in the championship was advantaged or disadvantaged by the wet weather (unlike races declared after racing has started). I recognise that there is a spectator element, sponsorship components (who got exposure anyway) as well as many other involved parties but still is that sufficient for the race to be required running on Monday?

Assuming the answer is yes and it now rains on Monday, do we stay until Tuesday and so on. What or when is the decisive factor that will declare, sorry, no race we now pack up.


This is now an interesting precedent and I dare say that were the class affected the 125 or 250 they would not be racing on Monday.



EDIT: Does this also mean that a daylight race cancelled (well postponed in true effect) on Sunday will now be rerun on the Monday.

I should also clarify that I am referring to this case specifically and have no issues with contingency plans made and announced before the season starts (ie. declare that shoudl a race be cancelled it will be run on the Monday).








Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Apr 13 2009, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. (my personal view is a race should not be awarded to a track that is not completed).


2. IMO, given that MotoGP is a series I would be happy to say that we simply move on to Motegi as no rider in the championship was advantaged or disadvantaged by the wet weather (unlike races declared after racing has started). I recognise that there is a spectator element, sponsorship components (who got exposure anyway) as well as many other involved parties but still is that sufficient for the race to be required running on Monday?

3. Assuming the answer is yes and it now rains on Monday, do we stay until Tuesday and so on. What or when is the decisive factor that will declare, sorry, no race we now pack up.


4. This is now an interesting precedent and I dare say that were the class affected the 125 or 250 they would not be racing on Monday.



5. EDIT: Does this also mean that a daylight race cancelled (well postponed in true effect) on Sunday will now be rerun on the Monday.

1. I agree

2. Easier said than done, because spectator and sponsor aside, the fact that the organizers had already paid for this race makes it complicated to just pack up and leave.

3. I think the decision to race on Monday was also based on the fact that, unlike Sunday afternoon races, Qatar doesn't have the luxury to wait for the weather to clear up as everyone would have been pretty tired and sleepy by then. So one of the alternative is to sleep and do it the next day. When Sunday afternoon races experience this situation with the weather or anything else, they have more hours to spare in adjusting and deliberating the next course of action. But i doubt they'll race on a Tuesday when it rains again on a Monday. Like what I've stated above, it is the best alternative as everyone and everything is in place already. But if the alternative (Monday racing) doesn't work, then packing up and moving on is more justified imho.

4. I feel bad for the lower classes since they wouldn't enjoy this second chance. If only they could have just restarted everything.

5. See answer #3.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 13 2009, 01:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>blaming Dorna for rain at a place it rains 6 days a year is the lamest I've heard this year.

"Here in the Qatar desert it rains 4-5 days a year. Has anybody thought to count how many nights?!" Mika Kallio on GP postponement.

Wonder if they'll cancel Scary Movie 4 here to show it. Oh well....can watch on motogp.com if not.

Can't wait.

So, whats the UK, TV coverage for Mondays race then people? will it be just on the "Red button" on BBC

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pirkkalan GP @ Apr 13 2009, 08:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"Here in the Qatar desert it rains 4-5 days a year. Has anybody thought to count how many nights?!" Mika Kallio on GP postponement.

Wonder if they'll cancel Scary Movie 4 here to show it. Oh well....can watch on motogp.com if not.

Kallio has a sense of humour...

And what a piece of art would we miss if Scary Movie 4 wasn't shown!! (I seriously HOPE that they get that thing out of the schedule)

Btw. Pirkkalan GP, I was wondering... You said you are English, but live in Finland. So do you speak Finnish fluently and understand it?


When it comes to the discussion about whether a monday race is a good idea, I have to side with somedamnwriter. I think that one important reason why they made the decision to run on monday was also because the weather forecasts are much, much better. Also, as they are planning to run it 21.00 local time, even if it did rain, they now have a little bit more time and flexibility for the start (up to 2 hours I'd say).

So all in all, the monday race definitely sounds like a good idea to me. And Valentino Rossi agrees with me so I'm right and you're wrong Gaz! Sorry!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Apr 13 2009, 08:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So all in all, the monday race definitely sounds like a good idea to me. And Valentino Rossi agrees with me so I'm right and you're wrong Gaz! Sorry!
He does get another day of set-up time too .