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Holypuck said:
You remind me of hockey fans that go to games hoping to see the players fight.

It's easy to diss your rivals when things are going well for you and bad for them, class stands in being able not to.
Even Stoner, of whom I am an enormous fan, couldn't resist throwing .... at Rossi when the latter was having a hard time on the Ducati.
That kind of behaviour, in my opinion, just isn't cool.
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Noone is "dissing" their rival. Having an open discussion with your team and teammate regarding their treachery is something that happens in real world situations. Your conflating this as if Im implying Dovi go on a Trumpesque twitter rant. Dovi did nothing but stick his tail between his legs and slink away.
This is why Ducati views Lorenzo as their number 1 rider and rightfully so. Just like a dog marking his territory, Lorenzo pissed all over Dovi's face and Dovi just lapped it up.
We will see a changing of the guard this year at Ducati. Lorenzo will rule and Dovi will go back to being everyone's favorite test rider
 
Mick D said:
For the simple-minded among us...

Cal is a stream of consciousness babbling ..... box.

Johann's verbal skills (in two languages) are immaculate and well thought out.

Worst analogy ever.
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Im still not sure why Synn implying that Cal and Zarco aren't PC to the media is a bad comparison. Everyone seems to have understood it but you keep persisting. You should stop backpedaling and just admit your the only person in the room that doesn't get simple arithmetic.
I enjoy Cals candor. If you hit yourself in the thumb with a hammer ( sort of like you just did) you yell, curse and express your pain and frustration. That's normal human behavior and I would much rather hear that than listen to them thank the hammer company for their sponsorship
 
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Macca said:
That's a bold statement!

As much as I like Jorge, I can't see him 'dominating' Dovi this year

Macca
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Jorge needed a year to figure out the characteristics of the Ducati and an offseason for the engineers to implement his data.
Dovi has had years of seat time on the Ducati which by all accounts is a wildly different platform.
You cant judge Jorge on his learning year.
I see only upward mobility for Lorenzo this year
 
Albert Tatlock said:
Noone is "dissing" their rival. Having an open discussion with your team and teammate regarding their treachery is something that happens in real world situations. Your conflating this as if Im implying Dovi go on a Trumpesque twitter rant. Dovi did nothing but stick his tail between his legs and slink away.
This is why Ducati views Lorenzo as their number 1 rider and rightfully so. Just like a dog marking his territory, Lorenzo pissed all over Dovi's face and Dovi just lapped it up.
We will see a changing of the guard this year at Ducati. Lorenzo will rule and Dovi will go back to being everyone's favorite test rider
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Did you ever talk, over the past 3 months, to someone who works in the Ducati MotoGP Department's office? Well I was lucky enough to do so and they told me a different story.

But I am sure they were all defending Dovizioso (he's Italian, after all) and that your version is the exact reality.

Please tho, meet me here in 8 exact months from today and we'll see who was right, Mr. Tatlock :cool:
 
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Albert Tatlock said:
Noone is "dissing" their rival. Having an open discussion with your team and teammate regarding their treachery is something that happens in real world situations. Your conflating this as if Im implying Dovi go on a Trumpesque twitter rant. Dovi did nothing but stick his tail between his legs and slink away.
This is why Ducati views Lorenzo as their number 1 rider and rightfully so. Just like a dog marking his territory, Lorenzo pissed all over Dovi's face and Dovi just lapped it up.
We will see a changing of the guard this year at Ducati. Lorenzo will rule and Dovi will go back to being everyone's favorite test rider
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Changing of the guard? Ducati's reaction to JLo at Valencia shows he is already in control. Ducati sent the pr police out to save face for Jhoe instead of the rider who's teammate ruined his chances at a title. Dovi knows his role but he silently refuses to except it like a true competitor. .... Jorge he is an ........

Sorry Libby
 
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Albert Tatlock said:
Noone is "dissing" their rival. Having an open discussion with your team and teammate regarding their treachery is something that happens in real world situations. Your conflating this as if Im implying Dovi go on a Trumpesque twitter rant. Dovi did nothing but stick his tail between his legs and slink away.
This is why Ducati views Lorenzo as their number 1 rider and rightfully so. Just like a dog marking his territory, Lorenzo pissed all over Dovi's face and Dovi just lapped it up.
We will see a changing of the guard this year at Ducati. Lorenzo will rule and Dovi will go back to being everyone's favorite test rider
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I reckon he would've handled it behind closed doors through Ducati management.
 
Albert Tatlock said:
I got what he was saying, Im not sure why some took it as controversial.
One of the reasons I like Cal is because he is forthright with his thoughts. People respect that.
I don't believe being that way has ever hampered his career. If your fast, you will ride.
Look at someone like Dovi. He's been slapped around by HRC, Ducati, and Lorenzo. All the while he's too scared to speak up. Noone has any respect for him because he won't stand up for himself. I would love to see that happen to Cal. He would set that Ducati garage straight and prove to his employer who the #1 rider is.
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Cal hasn’t managed to set anyone straight thus far. He’s got a big mouth but lacks the talent to utilise the things he demands.
 
synn said:
This.
I struggle to understand why simple concepts completely confound the posting elite in this forum.
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Whilst we struggle to comprehend why a genius like you would deign to grace us pitiful mortals with your warmth and wisdom. Truly - we’re not worthy.
 
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Keshav said:
Cal hasn’t managed to set anyone straight thus far. He’s got a big mouth but lacks the talent to utilise the things he demands.
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Outside of Marquez, noone including Pedrosa is having success on a Honda.
Tech 3 is always a dog and the Ducati that Cal rode was rubbish.
Its not talent that's holding him back
 
MdubSTYLIE said:
Changing of the guard? Ducati's reaction to JLo at Valencia shows he is already in control. Ducati sent the pr police out to save face for Jhoe instead of the rider who's teammate ruined his chances at a title. Dovi knows his role but he silently refuses to except it like a true competitor. .... Jorge he is an ........

Sorry Libby
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That's pretty much my point. Lorenzo behaved that way because he could, knowing Dovi would roll over for a belly scratch
 
Albert Tatlock said:
Im still not sure why Synn implying that Cal and Zarco aren't PC to the media is a bad comparison. Everyone seems to have understood it but you keep persisting. You should stop backpedaling and just admit your the only person in the room that doesn't get simple arithmetic.
I enjoy Cals candor. If you hit yourself in the thumb with a hammer ( sort of like you just did) you yell, curse and express your pain and frustration. That's normal human behavior and I would much rather hear that than listen to them thank the hammer company for their sponsorship
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It’s a poor equivalence. Cal is a loudmouth whiner who loves calling attention to himself and focuses on the problem. Zarco while not shy - is focused on the solution, as is evidenced by his results.
 
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MdubSTYLIE said:
Changing of the guard? Ducati's reaction to JLo at Valencia shows he is already in control. Ducati sent the pr police out to save face for Jhoe instead of the rider who's teammate ruined his chances at a title. Dovi knows his role but he silently refuses to except it like a true competitor. .... Jorge he is an ........

Sorry Libby
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who's teammate ruined his chances at a title.

That’s one big ole stretch there. Lorenzo had the pace to run up front, Dovi didn’t . He did his best to drag Dovi to the front but when it came time to .... or get off the pot,Lorenzo pulled the pin and left Dovi in the dust and ran down Pedrosa in just a few laps before binning it. Dovi had to win that race and at a certain point it was obvious that wasn’t going to happen, why not try to win it yourself. I have zero problems with Lorenzo st Valencia.
 
povol said:
who's teammate ruined his chances at a title.

That’s one big ole stretch there. Lorenzo had the pace to run up front, Dovi didn’t . He did his best to drag Dovi to the front but when it came time to .... or get off the pot,Lorenzo pulled the pin and left Dovi in the dust and ran down Pedrosa in just a few laps before binning it. Dovi had to win that race and at a certain point it was obvious that wasn’t going to happen, why not try to win it yourself. I have zero problems with Lorenzo st Valencia.
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Completely disagree. My opinion is the same as it was initially after the race. There is no way JLo can say he was dragging Dovi around the track in an attempt to help him. He doesn't know if Dovi had more pace than him. It not possible for him to speak for Dovi there. My second point then was, Valencia is not a track where drag is useful anywhere. Clean air is better there and Dovi deserved a chance to prove his pace. Ducati asked for it JLo made his own mind up, and ducati sided with him. Thats some ......... It was pretty apparent Dovi had much better pace early on than JLo. JLo cost Dovi the lead pack.
 
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Albert Tatlock said:
Outside of Marquez, noone including Pedrosa is having success on a Honda.
Tech 3 is always a dog and the Ducati that Cal rode was rubbish.
Its not talent that's holding him back
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No its the wind blowing into his mouth thats acting like a brake, btw I like Cal, but World Champ he isn't and won't be.
 
Albert Tatlock said:
That's pretty much my point. Lorenzo behaved that way because he could, knowing Dovi would roll over for a belly scratch
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So we agree about JLo but not Dovi. Action peak louder than words. We won't know if Dovi rolls over until this season. Dovi got to this position because he is a fighter. His career to this point has been a fight and Dovi has never backed down or spoke out of line. Jlo is a press master like 46. He plays silly mental games but I don't think he can effect Dovi. Dovi is more concerned with result and improving.
 

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