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michaelm
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I was enjoying our conversation as well goat, and value your continued good humoured participation in the forum in the current state of the zeitgeist. My biases come through like anyone else's, perhaps even when I attempt to agree with you, and I have been fighting the old fight about stoner only winning in 2007 because of the bike elsewhere recently.

 

 

Just to be clear, you are not one of those I consider to have double standards on stoner having advantages. I personally was opposed at the time to the control tyre, but not to rossi getting access to bridgestones for a new season, as anyone unwise enough to return to the voluminous tyre war threads could confirm. Dani getting them midseason was pushing things I thought. I agree and actually said though that any competitor is going to attempt to obtain what they believe to be the best tyre if they can.
Yeah well, you're rational, look at the double standards pouring from the mouths of the Stonerista that aren't.


The amount of conjecture that has become reality to them is stunning.
 
stiefel
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Allright, I read back this thread in search of the drop in level of rational conversation due the language of accusation creeping in. Since no one called you a lying .... or something similar, and since you claim it was I that turned you off to posting and expunged your quota of seriousness for this year, I can only assume you refer to my post, which said that claiming that the 2007 Michelin was not a competitive tire reeks of revisionism.

 

So help me out: is this where you draw the line? If yes, fair enough I apologize if I stepped on your toes. I'll probably do it again, I'm not that alert to other people's sensitivities. And I do have to wonder, do you plan on displaying some consistency regarding where you draw this line, or does it depend on whether or not people agree with yo?
It depends on the language they choose to use. If, like mental, you use the crash.net language of attack, or indeed words such as revisionism, then I will switch off. However if you don't act like it's an insult to suggest that Michelin were not as competitive as Bridgestone (at least in the hands of one man, who may or may not have benefited from priority) in 2007, then I care about conversing.


I know Jum gets a sexual thrill from defacto flame wars, I don't.
 
Goatboy
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It depends on the language they choose to use. If, like mental, you use the crash.net language of attack, or indeed words such as revisionism, then I will switch off. However if you don't act like it's an insult to suggest that Michelin were not as competitive as Bridgestone (at least in the hands of one man, who may or may not have benefited from priority) in 2007, then I care about conversing.


I know Jum gets a sexual thrill from defacto flame wars, I don't.


 


 


You know, none of this matters. 


 


Marquez is the future


 


Jumkie can flame, we can blame but all the same Marquez is the game. 


 


Everything else is so last year. 


 


Marquez would smoke Presiosi in his chair


 


He would win on a Ducati and on Michelins


 


 


And drunk
 
Andy Roo
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You know, none of this matters. 

 

Marquez is the future

 

Jumkie can flame, we can blame but all the same Marquez is the game. 

 

Everything else is so last year. 

 

Marquez would smoke Presiosi in his chair

 

He would win on a Ducati and on Michelins

 

 

And drunk
You're a (drunken) star Andy :lol:
 
Andy Roo
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You know, none of this matters. 


 


Marquez is the future


 


Jumkie can flame, we can blame but all the same Marquez is the game. 


 


Everything else is so last year. 


 


Marquez would smoke Presiosi in his chair


 


He would win on a Ducati and on Michelins


 


 


And drunk


outstanding,need that like x10 button again                  (if my smilie's worked youd get loads)
 
Jumkie
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Friend, just trying to understand your reasoning, you were ok with this exclusive relationship in a supposed authentic competition for certain riders while others getting the same brand tire were not extended the privilege?


Why do you repeat this drivel so often and so longwindedly? Or are you truly so stupidly oblivious to the rest of the sporting universe? Can you be so dimwitted as to believe Head doesn't give its best and newest tech to its premiere player first? That Cannondale's newest tech doesn't go to its stars first? That the NLF and MLB's stars don't get the best dope first? Authentic competition my .... BTW you never responded to my challenge of a month or so ago of finding the "true" or "authentic" league you'd like to see MGP modelled after...
michaelm
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Seeing them in April.


Uhmm... I had the misfortune of seeing Iggy lately. All I can ay is, can you scalp the tickies? It was worse than horrible and the only reason I didn't walk out was cheap beer!
 
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Why do you repeat this drivel so often and so longwindedly? Or are you truly so stupidly oblivious to the rest of the sporting universe? Can you be so dimwitted as to believe Head doesn't give its best and newest tech to its premiere player first? That Cannondale's newest tech doesn't go to its stars first? That the NLF and MLB's stars don't get the best dope first? Authentic competition my .... BTW you never responded to my challenge of a month or so ago of finding
 
I don't believe you're not making a very compelling argument there. I just don't see how things not being perfect in other sports affects the right of people to point out problems with motogp.

I'll try to give an analogy to illustrate. You know, there was a time, not so long ago actually, when there were no democratic nations. People had to fight for it, both figuratively in word and writing, as well as literally in a series of revolutions and physical strives. Your argument would imply that these people should not have strived for what they perceived to be a more just society.
 
Mick D
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Why do you repeat this drivel so often and so longwindedly? Or are you truly so stupidly oblivious to the rest of the sporting universe? Can you be so dimwitted as to believe Head doesn't give its best and newest tech to its premiere player first? That Cannondale's newest tech doesn't go to its stars first? That the NLF and MLB's stars don't get the best dope first? Authentic competition my ....


 


BTW you never responded to my challenge of a month or so ago of finding the "true" or "authentic" league you'd like to see MGP modelled after...


 


Most often than not, I don't respond to you since you have little to no insight or noteworthy contributions to discussions, case in point, your post above....but wait, that is to the naked eye.  Allow me to explain:  Your objection is NOT that I am correct (which you concede) describing the inequitable state of GP, but rather object to me "repeating" it as obvious truth.  You follow up seemingly unclever and obtuse objection pointing to other forms of sport who's stars get the best kit (or as you put it, dope).  Punctuated with your statement: "Authentic competition my ...."  Which I though odd, and made me realize, your post was a cleverly disguised witty attempt to express agreement with my take on the matter.  Which makes your snaring of BJC into "liking" your post rather a cruel way of exposing him for an ......  Harsh man, you devil you, bravo, this was hilarious, well done.  You actually advanced my point, albeit unconventionally.


 


MotoGP is already modeling itself to WWF, a truly authentic form of entertainment.
 
How cleverly deduced... My objection was not that you are wrong just the number of times you like to point at the nose on the face!

 stiefel
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I don't believe you're not making a very compelling argument there. I just don't see how things not being perfect in other sports affects the right of people to point out problems with motogp.


I'll try to give an analogy to illustrate. You know, there was a time, not so long ago actually, when there were no democratic nations. People had to fight for it, both figuratively in word and writing, as well as literally in a series of revolutions and physical strives. Your argument would imply that these people should not have strived for what they perceived to be a more just society.
Totally incorrect. My argument would imply if you perceive an injustice and wish to correct it, it is ineffectual to continually ..... about it on an internet forum. If you really want to strive for a more just society (or MGP) you have to become an activist and a player in the politics of the situation and not sit on the sidelines whinging.


I also do not necessarily buy into the belief that democracy, in and of itself, does anything to change the lot of the 'people' fighting for it.
 
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How cleverly deduced... My objection was not that you are wrong just the number of times you like to point at the nose on the face!
  Totally incorrect. My argument would imply if you perceive an injustice and wish to correct it, it is ineffectual to continually ..... about it on an internet forum. If you really want to strive for a more just society (or MGP) you have to become an activist and a player in the politics of the situation and not sit on the sidelines whinging.

I also do not necessarily buy into the belief that democracy, in and of itself, does anything to change the lot of the 'people' fighting for it.
http://powerslide.net/forum/index.php?/topic/15644-ducati-fans-petition-for-ducati-to-leave-motogp/?p=343525
 
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I also do not necessarily buy into the belief that democracy, in and of itself, does anything to change the lot of the 'people' fighting for it.
 
Perhaps, but that is unrelated to the argument.
 
stiefel
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Perhaps, but that is unrelated to the argument.


'Twas meant as an aside.


 


 


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stiefel from http://powerslide.ne...otogp/?p=343525
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Sure, and I agree. But I also think that not having the answers should not keep us from pointing out the problems.
 




No argument there. Identifying and pointing out deficiencies in a system is admirable, especially when it leads to solutions. Constantly bitching about something something you are in no position to change is kinda like being the food critic in the local rag...
 
Mick D
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How cleverly deduced... My objection was not that you are wrong just the number of times you like to point at the nose on the face!

  Totally incorrect. My argument would imply if you perceive an injustice and wish to correct it, it is ineffectual to continually ..... about it on an internet forum. If you really want to strive for a more just society (or MGP) you have to become an activist and a player in the politics of the situation and not sit on the sidelines whinging.


I also do not necessarily buy into the belief that democracy, in and of itself, does anything to change the lot of the 'people' fighting for it.


 


 


What makes you think describing the "injustice" at length on my part is not a way of activism.  I have got the attention of Krops, and he is one of a few very respected media covering the sport that gets quite a readership.  He may not agree with most my arguments, but neither do most people on the wrong side of history. 


 


Not to mention, since when are the people in power change willingly? Lets use Stiefs analogy a bit more...


 


Its true, many people who have risen up to fight the injustice in their countries have seldom realized the vision of their struggle.  Look no further than the uprising in the mideast, deposing of one dictatorship for another.  Not to mention the unfettered annihilation of civilians by government forces in control of massive weapons.  Your advice then, according to your logic, is for the civilians to shut up about it on digital social media, like say a forum, a tool of revolutions, because repeating this is just unseemly to you?  
 
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'Twas meant as an aside.
 
 

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stiefel from http://powerslide.ne...otogp/?p=343525
  
Sure, and I agree. But I also think that not having the answers should not keep us from pointing out the problems.
 


No argument there. Identifying and pointing out deficiencies in a system is admirable, especially when it leads to solutions. Constantly bitching about something something you are in no position to change is kinda like being the food critic in the local rag...

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Which makes this little dispute a matter of taste, wouldn't you agree?
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Jumkie
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Your advice then, according to your logic, is for the civilians to shut up about it on digital social media, like say a forum, a tool of revolutions, because repeating this is just unseemly to you?  


No my advise would be to find a more effectual soapbox for your particular agenda.
 
"Which makes this little dispute a matter of taste, wouldn't you agree?"


 


Bien sur, mon ami!
 
Jumkie
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Very interesting Kesh. I've always wanted to go to Cuba as i imagine its a time warp. Cant wait to see ur pucs and read ur stories. Also, why is the food so bad? Lack of fresh food? Lack of condiments? Lack of culinary skill?


Food's bad due to lack of everything. It's really sad ..... When I ate in illegal restaurants (in people's homes) the food was tastier. It's that old truism about how poor people can take the crappiest cuts of meat and the least desirable vegetables and somehow make them delicious. I would get joined at the table by folks who ate there every day and they didn't complain about censorship or the crumbling infrastructure or the corruption in Govt.. They were uniformly depressed by the lack of variety of foodstuffs available in the market. They would say "Why is it I can't get my hands on a goddamned potato just once in a while?" Apparently there's such a shortage that the potatoes are nearly a black market item. I only rarely saw them on the menus of the very expensive tourist restaurants - and even then, they were sliced razor thin and the portion served was tiny. There are lots of good Cuban restaurants in NYC and they always have all kinds of root vegetables as part of the menu. In Havana, never. Because of the stupid embargo (supported by ........ like Rick Rubio) The Cubans have much arable land but cannot purchase the seeds to plant anything on the land. With Chavez is dead, they could be really ...... should the Venezuealan Govt. turns their back on Cuba like the Russians have - there will be no free gasoline and Cuba could end up having another "special period". I emailed my hosts to ask if there was anything at all I could bring them when I came, thinking clothing, spices, anything. You know what they asked for? A Statue Of Liberty replica. Gotta say, everywhere I went I was treated warmly and never experienced any bad vibes towards Americans.


 


Oh yeah.... and the women.... were HOT! - I just posted a few snaps in The Lounge. PM for Photobucket Login and password if anyone wants to see more.
 
Keshav
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Food's bad due to lack of everything. It's really sad ..... When I ate in illegal restaurants (in people's homes) the food was tastier. It's that old truism about how poor people can take the crappiest cuts of meat and the least desirable vegetables and somehow make them delicious. I would get joined at the table by folks who ate there every day and they didn't complain about censorship or the crumbling infrastructure or the corruption in Govt.. They were uniformly depressed by the lack of variety of foodstuffs available in the market. They would say "Why is it I can't get my hands on a goddamned potato just once in a while?" Apparently there's such a shortage that the potatoes are nearly a black market item. I only rarely saw them on the menus of the very expensive tourist restaurants - and even then, they were sliced razor thin and the portion served was tiny. There are lots of good Cuban restaurants in NYC and they always have all kinds of root vegetables as part of the menu. In Havana, never. Because of the stupid embargo (supported by ........ like Rick Rubio) The Cubans have much arable land but cannot purchase the seeds to plant anything on the land. With Chavez is dead, they could be really ...... should the Venezuealan Govt. turns their back on Cuba like the Russians have - there will be no free gasoline and Cuba could end up having another "special period". I emailed my hosts to ask if there was anything at all I could bring them when I came, thinking clothing, spices, anything. You know what they asked for? A Statue Of Liberty replica. Gotta say, everywhere I went I was treated warmly and never experienced any bad vibes towards Americans.


 


Oh yeah.... and the women.... were HOT! - I just posted a few snaps in The Lounge. PM for Photobucket Login and password if anyone wants to see more.


 


Yeah, one of the best things I read about Cuban women was "they don't walk, they sway", very true. Extremely hot. Saw a black girl there with violet eyes, apparently it's a thing there, happens once in a while. She was gorgeous.  
 

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