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Because they were able to fly in tyres over night on the back of data from Friday & Saturday Michelin were used to developing tyres with a very narrow operating window suited perfectly to the conditions. Once this option was removed they didn't have the experience to develop tyres ahead of the weekend with a wide enough operating window to cater to the changing conditions.
On the other hand Bridgestone didn't have this luxury due to geography so they set about developing a tyre with a much wider operating window. As they refined this skill the tyre delivered a very high performance despite changing conditions over a weekend.
The result was that the Bridgestone tyre had a much better chance of nailing the conditions than the Michelin did. What should have happen was those that had reaped the benefit of Michelins technical, production and geographical advantages should have displayed the same loyalty that Michelin had shown them. There is no doubt at all that Michelin would have been able to widen the operating performance and once again been the tyre to be on most weekends.
It is the spoiled brat nature of a silver spooner that lead to the knee jerk reaction that brought us the control tyre. What Ezpeleta should have done, like any good parent does, is slap the spoilt child and make them suck it up and work through the problem. But as we know at the time and still to this day Ezpeleta is just like a modern day parent who is ruled by the petulant child.
Mental Anarchist
Why were the sns tyres scrapped, if as BJC says it was not for cost reasons? This is a genuine question, I wasn't following all the intricacies of the sport avidly on the internet then, just watching the races. Ducati seemed to be competitive on bridgestones against the sns michelins in 2006 anyway.
Why were the sns tyres scrapped, if as BJC says it was not for cost reasons? This is a genuine question, I wasn't following all the intricacies of the sport avidly on the internet then, just watching the races. Ducati seemed to be competitive on bridgestones against the sns michelins in 2006 anyway.
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Scott Asheton doesn't seem to be with them in Australia this time. I actually haven't seen the Stooges before, saw Iggy solo with Frank Infante on guitar a long time ago, and Ron Asheton with Dark Carnival in a small room in a suburban pub which probably permanently damaged my hearing.
Scott Asheton doesn't seem to be with them in Australia this time. I actually haven't seen the Stooges before, saw Iggy solo with Frank Infante on guitar a long time ago, and Ron Asheton with Dark Carnival in a small room in a suburban pub which probably permanently damaged my hearing.
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As I said, Bridgestone refined their skill at making wide operating range tyres until they were as good as Michelin on a good day.
2007 was a whole set of new rules and limiting tyre numbers was one of them. I assume that limiting numbers was the reason behind the end of sns because the tyres had to be designated for the whole weekend on the Thursday. Another of Ezpeletes unintended consequences from poorly thought through rule changes.
As I said, Bridgestone refined their skill at making wide operating range tyres until they were as good as Michelin on a good day.
2007 was a whole set of new rules and limiting tyre numbers was one of them. I assume that limiting numbers was the reason behind the end of sns because the tyres had to be designated for the whole weekend on the Thursday. Another of Ezpeletes unintended consequences from poorly thought through rule changes.
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Oh, and by the way, you bought Stoner into it no body else did.
If stoner should have stayed after giving Ducati the best figures for a whole era then Rossi should have stuck with Ducati rather than getting Ezpeleta to get him his old bike back at Yamaha, considering he gave Ducati nothing in return for stealing their money under false pretenses.
Ok in your version of history, Rossi didn't threaten that he would leave and go WSBK, WRC, F1 racing if he didn't get the bridgestones like a spoilt child throwing his toys out of the cot. We get it. The rest of us will stick with reality whilst you go searching for Talpa in fantasy land.
Oh, and by the way, you bought Stoner into it no body else did.
If stoner should have stayed after giving Ducati the best figures for a whole era then Rossi should have stuck with Ducati rather than getting Ezpeleta to get him his old bike back at Yamaha, considering he gave Ducati nothing in return for stealing their money under false pretenses.
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can we blame any rider for wanting a jap bike instead of a duc? not even talking about performance and throwing someone under the bus.
which are the 3 years that michelin were inferior to bridgestone?
never thought that the michelin was a bad tyre to be on, even in 2007. argubly it was the tyre to be on in 2006 and i would find it laughable to reference a handful of occasions where the tyres didn't work perfectly for proof,if we keep in mind how often they absolutely nailed it. what makes people think bad about the michelins is two things : 1. rossi 2. laguna 08 (if i remember correctly where some guys even experimented with intermediates,anyways it was just a couple of races where the michelin guys were at a clear disadvantage)
could we just skip the whole sns vs bridgestone intro and go back to the name-calling bopper-boner wars?much simpler times
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Things have changed a bit since your visit. There is a growing (albeit slowly) middle class. Zillions of Jawa two-strokes, some as old 1962, sure don't help with the pollution. I took a lot of meals in illegal home resturants and the food was really good. The expensive resturants sucked uniformly. Now there are a lot of legal paladres - which are touted as elegant 3 star quality food - all of which were disappointing. Things in the countryside haven't improved much. I went largely for the sake of going out to clubs to hear live music and it was all great. Cubans really know how to party. I was staying in a place that shared a courtyard with a bunch of Haitians. They threw some kind of major private shindig the last three nights I was there. Most incredibly wild singing and African drumming styles with insane signature changes that made the hair on my neck stand up. The constant screeching of the goats being slaughtered probably had something to do with it too.
Things have changed a bit since your visit. There is a growing (albeit slowly) middle class. Zillions of Jawa two-strokes, some as old 1962, sure don't help with the pollution. I took a lot of meals in illegal home resturants and the food was really good. The expensive resturants sucked uniformly. Now there are a lot of legal paladres - which are touted as elegant 3 star quality food - all of which were disappointing. Things in the countryside haven't improved much. I went largely for the sake of going out to clubs to hear live music and it was all great. Cubans really know how to party. I was staying in a place that shared a courtyard with a bunch of Haitians. They threw some kind of major private shindig the last three nights I was there. Most incredibly wild singing and African drumming styles with insane signature changes that made the hair on my neck stand up. The constant screeching of the goats being slaughtered probably had something to do with it too.
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Both sides of this debate, which are now just repeating the original points i made on this thread, seek to remind us of the events that lead up to a spec tire. I think where ur running into problems is using fuzzy logic. U first attempted to compare SNS to the relationship Bstone had with its 3 constructors. Then it was all down hill from there. Haha. Its hard to argue when ur on the wrong side of history in logical terms buddy.
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Jumkie
:lol: may i suggest u stop being a .....? If ur gonna jump in to debate, dont ..... out when what u are saying is quite easily rebutted resulting in u getting flustered. What exactly has "turned u off"? That people dont agree with u?
Both sides of this debate, which are now just repeating the original points i made on this thread, seek to remind us of the events that lead up to a spec tire. I think where ur running into problems is using fuzzy logic. U first attempted to compare SNS to the relationship Bstone had with its 3 constructors. Then it was all down hill from there. Haha. Its hard to argue when ur on the wrong side of history in logical terms buddy.
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Very interesting Kesh. I've always wanted to go to Cuba as i imagine its a time warp. Cant wait to see ur pucs and read ur stories. Also, why is the food so bad? Lack of fresh food? Lack of condiments? Lack of culinary skill?
Very interesting Kesh. I've always wanted to go to Cuba as i imagine its a time warp. Cant wait to see ur pucs and read ur stories. Also, why is the food so bad? Lack of fresh food? Lack of condiments? Lack of culinary skill?
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